Sure. Maybe not in "AAA" games that need to blow performance on assets and effects to compete in bullshots, but in plenty of other games.
I own 5 PS3 games that use 4xMSAA.
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Anandtech: Tech analysis -- PS4 vs Xbox One, PS4/Xbox One's CPU performance
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I own 5 PS3 games that use 4xMSAA.
Sanctuary
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But 'Blast Processing' made such a huge difference!
What I mean is, given the cost of MSAA I don't think it will be the prevalent method of dealing with Aliasing. That is beside the point anyway as Anand's post states that it is enough for 1080p framebuffer. Including MSAA (much less 4xMSAA) as a measure for the validity of that post is wrong.
when you see guys in a ms "technical panel" to talk about the power of the cloud the very day they present their hardware, basically you know whats up.
not that we didn't know, but it was easy to believe that microsoft had the time, the funds and the little foresight needed to reaccess.
UNLESS sony does a microsoft on consumer rights too.
not that we didn't know, but it was easy to believe that microsoft had the time, the funds and the little foresight needed to reaccess.
what war? do you see a war? all I see an easy win.
UNLESS sony does a microsoft on consumer rights too.
kudos!
speculawyer
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OK . . . maybe I should know the answer to this . . . . but what is the deal with going to slower clock speeds? I know we have more cores now but can't we have higher clock speeds and more cores? Is the lower clock speeds to increase yield? To save power?
I think microsoft one will last a lot less than 8 years.. imo at least
Madden, CoD, and GTA will be available on both. How much more can the Halo franchise hold gamers?
DoDonGouki
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The MS "one" is a "bit" weaker .....
Chief Icaroc
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An unbiased level headed emotionless analysis has no place on the internet Anand. Nice piece. I think I'll still have to buy both consoles.
I doubt it will be used much for AI because of the latency involved with data communications online, but there are many uses for it in games. Just off the top of my head, the cloud could be used for:
* "Live look-ins" in sports titles. Imagine you're playing Madden and in the huddle picking your next play during a game in Franchise mode. Up pops a window showing an important play from another game going on at the same time between two computer controlled opponents. All the physics, collisions, and AI for that replay were computed in the cloud while you were playing the last down or two, then the replay file was sent to your Xbox One to be displayed between plays.
* I love the Road to the Show mode in MLB The Show, but there are some games where I spend an inordinate amount of time looking at the "Simulating until your player's next important moment" screen then actually playing. A lot of that simulation could be offloaded to the cloud, which could work through every possible outcome of your current action until your next one so that it loads immediately once your finished with the current one.
* The Forge mode in Halo 4 includes generated lighting for maps. The generation of those lightmaps could be offloaded to the cloud.
* Calculating physics for real-time cutscenes, thus freeing more power in the console for rendering.
It does not use 3GB. Full Windows 8 only needs 2 GB for a 64-bit processor. A pared down version of it is not going to require more. From the article in the OP:
As soon as you input the code, you don't need the disc anymore. The game is attached to your account permanently. Since the game is automatically installed to your hard drive, you no longer need to put the disc in to play. Should you ever get a new Xbox One, after logging into your account on the new XO, you can download that game from the Live servers without ever needing the disc.
The Xbox One supports 4K.
Source
I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say here.
Marc Whitten, Microsoft Chief Product Officer, says you're wrong.
If Xbox One was using just Windows 8 as an OS you might have something, but you are forgetting that Xbox One has 3 OSs.
Absolutely. That's what it come down to.
I think this future gen hardware is the same as current gen...
Nintendo puts out a significantly underpowered console with a gimmick control system, except this time people are not falling for the gimmick hype.
Sony makes a console that is slightly more powerful than Microsoft, and they'll have the same strategy of trying to hype the difference.
But it all comes down to price. The difference between the top 2 isn't going to justify a huge price difference, and Sony needs to avoid the PS3 pricing nightmare.
Next gen, but same old strategies.
And for good reason, as my original PS3 sounds like it will take off when I am doing anything with it lol. Hopefully both consoles will be much more silent this time
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It doesn't seem like the horsepower difference is enough to cause some dramatic difference in multiplatform games.
jonscrambler
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isn't GDDR5 just DDR3 with a pre fetch buffer? wouldn't then DDR3+SRAM be very similar?
The difference will probably be quite a bit larger than this gen unless Microsoft has some bullshit stranglehold on devs that prevent them from taking advantage of the PS4's extra power. Such a gap is pretty big.
No not even close, more like.
PS4
Xbox one
YES! The DBZ comparisons are back!
A very fast edit:
Why did you leave out the Wii U?
PS4 has 50% more GPU power
If XBox one only has 5 GB available for games, and PS4 has 7GB, that's pretty close to 50% more RAM too
How many CPU cores are being reserved for each machine?
And how about kinect? 2Gb/s is a lot of data - is it known whether kinect is doing processing onboard, or using the Xbox to do it again?
If XBox one only has 5 GB available for games, and PS4 has 7GB, that's pretty close to 50% more RAM too
How many CPU cores are being reserved for each machine?
And how about kinect? 2Gb/s is a lot of data - is it known whether kinect is doing processing onboard, or using the Xbox to do it again?
Yes, and unless MS starts money hating, they are in serious trouble. How can they compete with all Sony first and second party studios?
And the architectures have never been so similar, so ports should be a small enough cost to be a no-brainer
It's not 3 OSes in the traditional sense
Yes. That's why you have net book CPUs rather than desktop-grade CPUs.
Unfortunately i see post AA being even more common this gen.
The same way they competed this previous generation
..but sturdy. I still have my phat PS3 working flawlessly without ever having a problem. Hell, I even travel with it sometimes.
No he hasn't. Every source claiming he has links back to the same Game Informer interview where he never comments on the split.
It has 2 OSes and uses a custom hypervisor to switch between them. The "3 OS" talk was marketing fluff. The 2 OSes are "Windows" and "Xbox."
He was referring to streaming the entirety of the game from the cloud like Online and Gaikai. Not offloading some tasks to the cloud.
It seems with everything I am reading this 8GB DDR5 in the PS4 is a really big deal. If Microsoft was banking on the PS4 using 4GB DDR5, I would have loved to see the looks on their faces when Cerny said 8GB DDR5.
With Sony having their financial woes I was expecting the new Xbox to be more powerful. I think it is the case of Sony knowing what they lost this gen, with their backs against the wall they are coming out swinging this time. I hope they both do well because they push each other so hard and we get amazing stuff.
With Sony having their financial woes I was expecting the new Xbox to be more powerful. I think it is the case of Sony knowing what they lost this gen, with their backs against the wall they are coming out swinging this time. I hope they both do well because they push each other so hard and we get amazing stuff.
Bam Bam Baklava
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In that comparion PS4 would be better as Goku Vegeta fusion.
lol funny guy!
specialguy
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What are they?
And you will probably end up owning about the same # of PS4 games that do at the end of next gen.
In that comparion PS4 would be better as Goku Vegeta fusion.
Gotta leave someone for future consoles though.
SSJ Gogeta is the strongest Dragon Ball character, noone can go any higher than him!
specialguy
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yup. i can confirm. he declines to comment (as you'd expect, the os reserves on 360/ps3 were never publicly revealed).
i think the split is 5-3, but i also think that's the ps4 split. i think both can be reduced over time, i'd suspect they settle around 2gb in the final decision but it could take months/years to get there.
What does it even mean too? Isn't the whole point of hardware the following two things ->
1. Make it price conscious so consumers can jump it at a convenient price point
2. Make it easy to develop for with a wide-range of tools and the most possible power given your pricing strategy
Depending on which you're aiming for the most, your strategy will be different... but PS4's philosophy is as broad as it gets, since it gives the most developers/indies the most number of potential tools and power. It's that simple, until we find out about price points.
If Xbox One was $299.99 and PS4 was $599.99, I'd say Microsoft's aiming at a much broader market... but that's as close as I'd get to this dudes point
Wishmaster92
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Pretty much how i understand it, yeah.
The gamasutra interview with the guy that was on stage at the Sony event was asked why they went with gddr5. He said it was to eliminate the step of memory optimization for the developer. He mentioned that going with the Microsoft method of ddr3 + esram would have given them a similar performance result. I don't think the ram difference will really have much of an effect. Gpu and how much ram available will.
External. Faster clock speeds and gddr5 will create a lot more heat unless Sony plans to under clock the ram. DDR3 gets warm, GDdr5 gets hot to handle. Hopefully Sony has a good yet very quiet cooling solution.
Sony has walked right into the high cost console again which they said they needed to avoid this time around. Oh well.
External. Faster clock speeds and gddr5 will create a lot more heat unless Sony plans to under clock the ram. DDR3 gets warm, GDdr5 gets hot to handle. Hopefully Sony has a good yet very quiet cooling solution.
Sony has walked right into the high cost console again which they said they needed to avoid this time around. Oh well.
Is Grace Law Nintendo?
I sure hope so.
Also, there are some way, way more intricate and fascinating details about the way the PS4 hardware works that is beyond just higher numbers.
Sources;
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6976/...wering-xbox-one-playstation-4-kabini-temash/5
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6974/amd-kabini-review/3
So 2GHz rumor looks unlikely at this point.
The Jason
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Its also more costly to manufacture, same for the GPU being bumped to 1GHz. Not gonna happen.
Good article, as always.
specialguy
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Welp, the Jag CPU is pretty light indeed.
At least on Intel's page that i5 has hyperthreading though for 4 threads, so that makes it a little less bad for the Jag.
At least on Intel's page that i5 has hyperthreading though for 4 threads, so that makes it a little less bad for the Jag.
NemesisPrime
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Hehehe... such crap CPUs. Pity really.... missed chance for both of them to be really next gen.