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[Puppet Shadow]

We note.

We notice.

Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

I'm always up for social experiments. Ya know. for 'science'...

Are these consumers early adopters? Answer truthfully here.

A lot of early adopters of the PS3 were not gamers, but I suspect the need for a fancy blu-ray player was more of a draw than the upcoming kinect features. I guess we'll see, though.

 

[Steroyd]

Lets be 100% truthful here.

MS would get blasted just as hard if they talked about more games at the reveal and then spent E3 only talking about the services and features. No matter which conference they used to reveal the other functions people would have been crying. E3 is the games conference so they saved all their games for then.

One wonders why they made such a big deal out of it in the first place, first thing with a new console reveal is explain why people should upgrade from their current kit, and no, fish AI doesn't count.

Because they are trying to sell more than a gaming console. There are a segment of consumers out there who are very intrigued by what their box has to offer. I dont know why thats hard to believe.

The people who are going to buy the console first and foremost are gamers, everyone else is most likely going to wait on a price drop, as has been the case with every console.

 

[Heretic]

Then how come only 5 gigs is for games and 7 for sony? It can't just be marketing.

Because Sony's OS isn't as ambitious as Microsoft's. Specs are completely irrelevant when looking at what their marketing strategy is. If they had upped the RAM, would you be saying the same thing?

 

[Cidd]

I'm always up for social experiments. Ya know. for 'science'...

Indeed lol.

 

[Father_Brain]

We note.

We notice.

Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

Oh wow. Time to get some popcorn.

 

[H_Prestige]

It wasn't really a rumor. It was pretty much true that the system had 4GB of RAM. So yes, I think Microsoft felt they were comfortable where they were. Plus it's always easier to reduce the reserved resources than it is to ask for more. In fact it's near impossible to ask for more. 3GB is obscene for what they're doing I think so I can almost guarantee you that will go down in a short period of time.



Again, you're missing the big picture. It's not about what Sony said first. It's about how Sony's schedule of revealing information of the PS4 played out and how Sony is taking advantage of the current situation. They planned to show games first and services at a later point in time. They now get to take advantage of the fact that they showed games first, still say services are coming, but play off of Microsoft's screw up. I'm not saying Sony is changing focus. I'm saying Sony is taking advantage of a situation that plays favor to them. That's not to downplay all the great things Sony is doing to work with developers. Heck I know for a fact that they are based on first hand knowledge. That doesn't make this any less of a good PR opportunity for Sony though.



Honestly, I'm definitely not an Xbox fan. Heck, I'd recommend people getting a PS4 over an Xbox One. I just think some people are putting emphasis on the wrong things.

You're ignoring the fact that devs still preferred 4GB GDDR5 over 8GB DDR3 (in reality it was more like 3.5GB vs 5GB taking the OS overhead out).

I don't know why you keep bringing up the 4GB. The choice of RAM in the ps4 was made because it was the best type for a gaming system, and 4GB was agreed upon as an acceptable amount. That they were able to double it at the last minute was just a pleasant surprise. This isn't some conspiracy. The entire system was carefully architected to deliver the best performance at an affordable price. It was designed with developer input. The same is not true of the Xbone.

Sony announced their marketing angle with the ps4 long before the Xbone fiasco. It wasn't done in response, unless you think Sony has a crystal ball or employs time travelers.

 

[def sim]

Dang

I'm Bill Gates, guys. You got me.

 

[kuroshiki]

Because Sony's OS isn't as ambitious as Microsoft's. Specs are completely irrelevant when looking at what their marketing strategy is. If they had upped the RAM, would you be saying the same thing?

It just shows where MS's priorities are. That's all. Just looking at Xbone tells people MS's priority is definitely NOT games.

 

[Uno Venova]

We note.

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Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

Yes. I wonder if it's what i think it is.

 

[R3TRO]

We note.

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Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

Not going to even lie, this sounds fun.

 

[aganu]

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Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

do it! do it! do it!

 

[Syphon Filter]

Because Sony's OS isn't as ambitious as Microsoft's. Specs are completely irrelevant when looking at what their marketing strategy is. If they had upped the RAM, would you be saying the same thing?

Exactly MS cares more about the non gaming apps therefore allocating more ram to that. Sony did the opposite and had more ram for games.

 

[Omikaru]

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Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

I cannot wait.

 

[wonzo]

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Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

yes please

 

[Dead Prince]

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Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

set up the thread 1 day before E3.

 

[GoldPunch]

Can I use it with my TV?

Yes, but for gaming!!

Hellyeah.gif

 

[btkadams]

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Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

yes, please.

 

[Risette]

Yes. I wonder if it's what i think it is.

You know it is.

 

[dragonbane]

We note.

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Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

DopeyFish?

Spoiler

DO IT

 

[Kyon]

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Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

Clock them

 

[ManeKast]

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Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

Would be very interested in this.

 

[BruiserBear]

“I fundamentally believe that the initial market that we need to make sure we appeal to with any new platform … is really the gaming audience,” Hirai said. “They will be the supporters of your platform and they will help propel the installed base.”

It's so simple, and yet so funny how little Microsoft seemed to understand this last week.

Fucking soccer moms are not buying your console to watch live tv. The early adopters will be almost entirely hardcore gamers, and thus they will consider videogames the first concern and deciding factor in their purchase. Those early adopters are the ones who then tell their family and friends, and then you get real market penetration. Make those early adopters happy, and you've likely got a successful console on your hands.

Showing up to announce your console and focusing on TV first is incredibly stupid.

 

[aganu]

Yes. I wonder if it's what i think it is.

I think I know what you know that you think you know!

 

[Dead Prince]

It's so simple, and yet so funny how little Microsoft seemed to understand this last week.

Fucking soccer moms are not buying your console to watch live tv. The early adopters will be almost entirely hardcore gamers, and thus they will consider videogames the first concern and deciding factor in their purchase. Those early adopters are the ones who then tell their family and friends, and then you get real market penetration. Make those early adopters happy, and you've likely got a successful console on your hands.

and they did so well with the 360 at least a good last half of the generation too.

 

[bj00rn_]

most here aren't interested in those features.

Well, I think you'd be surprised.. I suspect quite a few people around this place has given up to voice their opinions about what they like about the Xbox One and its additional features right now because there's just no point when it immediately get's shot down with cheap one-liners for the comedy.

According to the vocal gaf these days the logic states that PC can't play games like other..boxes..because it has...Excel.

 

[Raven77]

But...but what about apps, NETFLIX??? HOW WILL I WATCH NETFLIX AND SURF THE INTERNET???



Oh wait, I have 8 devices that can currently do that.

I'm okay with this...games...yes, thats why I buy a "game console".

 

[NullPointer]

We note.

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Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

Yes please.

 

[Ricky_R]

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Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

I dare ya!! No, no... I double dare ya.

 

[Marty Chinn]

You're ignoring the fact that devs still preferred 4GB GDDR5 over 8GB DDR3 (in reality it was more like 3.5GB vs 5GB taking the OS overhead out).

I don't know why you keep bringing up the 4GB. The choice of RAM in the ps4 was made because it was the best type for a gaming system, and 4GB was agreed upon as an acceptable amount. That they were able to double it at the last minute was just a pleasant surprise. This isn't some conspiracy. The entire system was carefully architected to deliver the best performance at an affordable price. It was designed with developer input. The same is not true of the Xbone.

I keep bringing it up because it's relevant to show how the systems evolved and how it was easy for Microsoft to think they were sitting in a good position only to get the rug pulled out from under them. Remember when the 8GB of GDDR5 was announced, it caught EVERYONE off guard, including close developers. They preferred 4GB of GDDR5 to 8 GB of DDR3 though? Sources on that. I remember developers wishing they had 8 instead of 4. Heck as a developer myself, I think I'd prefer twice the memory despite the faster speed right now. 4 to 8 is a huge difference.

What Sony did in their design was great. They got an amazing guy to design the system and they knew what they did to developers last generation so it was the best way to reign them in with their approach to building the system. Just because they were humble and did some smart things doesn't mean that somehow Microsoft wasn't focused on games at all. They may have been arrogant and assumed if they put out a good enough box, they would be fine and in reality, the boxes are in many ways close. In reality, I think that's more about Sony being smarter, humble, and in many ways desperate which is what got them what they have now.

 

[artist]

We note.

We notice.

Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

This is going to be the thread of the month.

 

[SlowRevolution]

is blame space mr. caffeine?

 

[SSM25]

We note.

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Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

I'm in

 

[MrBambinoDent]

YES its a game console.

lol
Kaz Hirai is awesome, hopefully no disappointment is waiting us at E3
If it goes well, this is gonna be a pretty good start for Sony's next gen!

 

[Acosta]

We note.

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Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

Yes, yes, yes, dooo iiiit!!!!!!

 

[Marty Chinn]

But...but what about apps, NETFLIX??? HOW WILL I WATCH NETFLIX AND SURF THE INTERNET???



Oh wait, I have 8 devices that can currently do that.

I'm okay with this...games...yes, thats why I buy a "game console".

And yet the number one device by a huge margin to watch Netflix on is a PS3. Let's not downplay that consoles are used for other things.

 

[ElectricKaibutsu]

“I fundamentally believe that the initial market that we need to make sure we appeal to with any new platform … is really the gaming audience,” Hirai said. “They will be the supporters of your platform and they will help propel the installed base.”

Kaz is a smart man. It also sounds like he reads GAF.

 

[IMBored]

We note.

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Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

Yes, yes, yes. Do it, please.

 

[PJV3]

This is going to be the thread of the month.

It's intriguing, fuck E3.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

We note.

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Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

Please please please do make this thread.

 

[Uno Venova]

Well, I think you'd be surprised.. I suspect quite a few people around this place has given up to voice their opinions about what they like about the Xbox One and its additional features right now because there's just no point when it immediately get's shot down with cheap one-liners for the comedy.

According to the vocal gaf these days the logic states that PC can't play games like other..boxes..because it has...Excel.

Isn't there a satisfaction thread?

 

[Puppet Shadow]

set up the thread 1 day before E3.

I like this idea. Ban them 5 minutes before the first conference (microsoft), so when they attempt to furiously log in after gaf goes down to do some damage control later in the day, they'll wonder if they've really been banned, or if the servers are still screwed up. Rinse and repeat just before the Sony conference for the rest of them.

 

[artist]

It's intriguing, fuck E3.

I dont feel safe anymore. Hold me brother, what if half my friends were actually not-my friends!

 

[MrBambinoDent]

We note.

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Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

That would be interesting

 

[Soi-Fong]

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Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

Do this!! Yes!! Would be so interesting!!

 

[gaming_noob]

We note.

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Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

Now that you've pointed it out, you might as well reveal those posters. Otherwise, everyone is going to be suspicious about each other...and that's going to stagnate discussion. DO IT!

 

[Proxy]

is blame space mr. caffeine?

He's actually Jamie Kennedy.

 

[MogCakes]

You mean I can't use the force to watch live TV and skype at the same time?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2iku7pkbf0

 

[Heretic]

It just shows where MS's priorities are. That's all. Just looking at Xbone tells people MS's priority is definitely NOT games.

I can see why they think that but at the same time, MS has invested a billion dollars on gaming along. We'll see where that money went come E3.

Another poster brought up a good point. Leaks showed the PS4 as having 4Gigs of RAM whereas MS had reserved 5. If Sony didn't blindside the industry with the news of 8Gigs, would we be having this conversation about reserved RAM?

 

[artist]

Anybody else hard-hitting F5 on the gaming forum?

 

[Quasar]

You know, as much as I like what Sony has said of the PS4 so far, saying we'll get to entertainment later does bother me given how much I use the ps3 for such things now. And frankly if the XBone gets a plex client thats decent, I'll buy one. Not something I was planning to as this gen I consider buying both has been a waste of my money.