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[excaliburps]

everyone make me your family member

This honestly made me LOL! Same! If I buy an Xbox One, can I be adopted by everyone at GAF or erm...can y'all be my "friend?" XD

So, that's why they're upping the limit of friends to like, 1,000, no?

 

[NullPointer]

I am willing to bet that there is not a chance in hell that you'll be able to just arbitrarily designate other people as your "family" members. MS will likely require that they have the same billing address as you, or possibly (if we're lucky) have the same last name.

I don't see why they would care if you're paying the family fee and only one account can play a shared game at a time.

 

[BruiserBear]

If the console is going to require that all games be installed for technical reasons, then it also follows that there must also be a mechanism to prevent using one disk to install across unlimited consoles. Is this solution worse than the problem it intended to solve? Hard to say. How much of a limiting factor are Blu-ray disk-read speeds? Substantial, if MGS4 is any indication

Child please. Bluray speeds have NOTHING to do with these new rules. This is about companies wanting to control their customers and squeeze more money out of them. You no longer have the same rights you had owning an Xbox 360.

You do not truly own your Xbox One games.

 

[RiPPn]

The 360 already does some sale events, but xbone wont?

Xbox sales have been piss poor except this year, probably when they knew they were about to f over everyone with no backward compatibility.

 

[TchallaApex]

Doesn't look so bad for me because, I buy new most of the time, I don't have a family and my friend almost the same library of games
...

 

[Teggy]

Unless I am mistaken, this essentially kills Goozex/GameTZ/VGFive as far as Xbone is concerned, correct?

 

[andycapps]

SAVE US SONY

PS2 era of Sony seems to be back.

 

[ZeroCDR]

Yeah the family plan is worded very carefully, I suggest reading it several times. It's not going to be a saving grace to loan your buddies some games.

 

[Agent Dale Cooper]

My girl just tweeted "Gee thanks xbox, so anywho my net cuts out , I have a £400 blu-ray player I can talk too. Thank you for being so understanding"

How often does your "girl" have the internet go out for 24 hours?

 

[ecosse_011172]

I predict that in a year this will be in place with the PS4 and Onesie and that everyone will be used to it. People will complain for a few months on here then buy the consoles anyway.

 

[xaosslug]

so, will MS' entire audience @ E3 be paid, at this point? LOL

 

[sublimit]

Can't wait to see how Keighley will try to spin this.Probably with the usual "it's all software they can change it whenever they want" bullshit.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Billing address tied to the credit card associated with the account, undoubtedly. Don't have a credit card associated with your account? No sharing for you.

But little jimmy is only 10

 

[entremet]

It's crazy but when you think about the XB1 will be the first console where you cannot years from now, purchase a used set with a lot of games on eBay. Unless the original profile is on the system, which would be dumb from a security point of view.

 

[ironcreed]

This isn't as bad as every one claimed it would be.

My dad says everyone is overreacting

*shrug*

You can't rent, you can't loan and you can't buy a used game. You can give a game away, but only if the individual has been on your friends list for at least 30 days. Trading in or selling at participating retailers means revoking the license and then they resell it to someone else probably at full price. You can't even sell your games on Ebay. Yes, it's every bit as bad as we initially thought.

 

[Walshicus]

Games that are nearly double the price and don't let you mod are better? Steam let's you play offline too, and the internet is pretty much the entire point of a PC nowadays, so it's not like one wouldn't have it.

Swings and roundabouts. Some games are cheap on Steam, other games are expensive. Some games are cheap on Xbox, other games are expensive.

I can't do anything with the games I buy on Steam other than play them myself. I have more freedom on Xbox One to handle old games.



I don't for a minute thing *everyone* will find the X1/Steam/Kindle/Phone/Tablet approach better for their individual circumstances. But I do find it stupid and absurd that people can't see the X1 for being one of the most liberal and consumer-friendly of the above.

 

[King_Moc]

I hope you realise that by choosing PC you are basically shifting to the same usability. There is only GoG that offers DRM-free service, everyone else requires either Steam or Origin (uPlay kind of doesn't do it anymore). What you get is the inability to trade your games, a good social system and cheap sales. You also need an Internet connection to play some games, and you can go offline at times.

How is this any different to what PS4 and Xbox One are offering?

People sell used games so they can buy more new ones. On PC the games are cheaper in the first instance. Case in point, Tomb Raider (probably the last new PC game I bought) was £21 on launch from Green Man Gaming. £35-£40 on console. With used sales choked, it'd be even more expensive on XBone.

It will also harm first day sales, as I guess more people will wait for impressions. It's a hell of a risk to spend £40 on some average game and not be able to get any of that money back.

 

[Flatline]

Everything went better than expected.

What on earth are you talking about?

 

[Raist]

There is no way this is really how the system works. This would be a million times more damaging than just letting people freely rent or sell/trade used.

The "family" statement is very carefully worded. I bet it means that 10 consoles can access one account, but won't be able to play a shared game at the same time.

 

[liquidtmd]

And with this official clarification, I'm done with Microsoft consoles. Ive enjoyed my 360 for four years but no chance. I do not 'want permissions' like this and I don't want to authenticate online.

If PS4 does the same, I'm out of modern gaming. I think I'll use the money to become a collector of old consoles and spend my free gaming time catching up with the gems I've missed over the last 20years and revisiting classics. I'm 31 now and my gaming time isn't abundant so I really don't care if I bow out this gen.

 

[mightynine]

I love the people who think this means you won't have to buy two copies of a game to play online multiplayer in the same house.

I mean, really.

I'm sorry - I buy a game, I put it in, and press start. If I need to download a patch, fine. Anything other than that, I'm not interested.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

I think there is a concern that this is 3rd party driven and that a lot of these policies will be implemented in some way in PS4.

We'll see..

The used games thing and the online DRM thing are two separate issues. People keep claiming Sony will follow suit in all areas when we already know that's not the case.

 

[DoubleTap]

WHY ARE PEOPLE SAYING THIS?
They already fucking confirmed there's no online requirement for the system, jesus wept.

Yup - We had a whole thread confirming the PS4 can be played totally offline and full of people playing ignorant.

 

[rohlfinator]

it's fucking HILARIOUS to me the people crying 'well, PS4's gonna have this too!' like some sort of taunt, as if that's not making a horrible situation WORSE.

Yep. It's basically the telltale sign of a True Console Warrior.

 

[Lambda Pie]

wat

of course, they saw the tweets has " PS4? NO! DRM".

 

[Silly.Mikey]

gone.

no gaming for me.

The way it is now is better for consumers no doubt, but eventually you know everyone will be headed there. It sucks but its unavoidable.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Fuck Microsoft for this, and fuck anyone who supports them. This is absolutely atrocious.

Ugh.

Why should it matter to you who supports it? Aren't people allowed to make their own decisions? This is largely the problem with some on here. There is such a lack of being comfortable in your own skin. It isn't enough for you to say fuck Microsoft and you're not buying a shitty Xbox One, because you don't like their policies or strategy. You also have to display animosity towards people who don't agree with you.

How childish is that?

 

[Superflat]

What. So I guess these are now set in stone, ey?

24 hour check-in sounded like such a dumb thing that couldn't possibly be true. A slip of the tongue or a blind guess maybe. But there you go.

Being able to share a game with only one other person, and that person being someone you had on your friend's list for at least thirty days sounds just so fucking bizarre. It's really strange.

PS4, pls. Be console gaming jesus 4 me.

 

[Tobor]

There is nothing quite as exhilarating as watching Microsoft ruin a successful business. It's a fucking art form.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

This is nothing but greed.

 

[Kabuki Quantum Lover]

Fantastic, my dual-console strategy (two generations running) has come to a screeching halt. You da best, Microsoft

Spoiler

, you fucking bunch of shit-for-brains

.

 

[crusadernm]

I need family. Lots of family. lol

 

[Joel Was Right]

I know right? Buy your games console. Wont allow you to play games. But hey, you can watch TV anytime

 

[jtb]

Because on Steam you can play offline and yes you can't loan friends the game but you also pay Fucking Less, hell I don't think I've ever paid more then $20 for a steam game. Lastly it's not a physical thing you own (Steam is all digital) when I buy a cd or DVD or BluRay or current Gen game I can do whatever the fuck I want with it as it should be.
If I buy it digitally then yeah sure put on some restrictions but it better be cheap and not require me to always check in to keep playing.

you choose to pay less on Steam. there are plenty of games that are full price on there. if publishers/retailers want to heavily discount their games they will, if they don't, they won't.

I don't really see how price factors into the Steam/Xbone comparison. either you have a problem with DRM or you don't.

 

[oldschoolpinball]

Count me out

 

[DJMicLuv]

At this point all Sony has to do is walk on stage at E3 and say that we can do what the fuck we like with our physical copies and I can't see how Microsoft can possibly compete.

Weird times.

 

[Father_Brain]

What is your opinion of Steam?

Steam has significant negatives, but they're outweighed by positives that XBone won't have (pricing, sales, no always-online DRM).

 

[Deleted member 752119]

Pretty much my position. 24 hour verification and used games only being a thing at "participating retailers" is bad.

I don't mind the 24 hour thing as I have good internet, and always will as I work at home a lot so that's a priority in picking an ISP and where to live etc.

The used game trade in only at participating retailers sucks balls though as I like just selling my games on Amazon after beating them. So that's a huge leg up for Sony--unless they end up doing the same and it becomes a moot point.

And if they do the same as MS and leave it up to publishers, then we can bet it will mostly play out the same other than maybe for exclusives.

So it's looking like people like me who mainly just play the big AAA franchise games are going to be SoL when it comes to selling games ourselves.

 

[AnimaOnline]

Family == sharing of game access in local WAN?

I assume they mean on the same console. If someone else logs onto your console with a different profile they can play your games without having to jump through hoops. It sounds like the most rational conclusion to a somewhat vague statement.

 

[Riskbreaker23]

Does this statement :

With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library.

negate the sharing your library with 10 family members?

It doesn't make sense that your 10 family members would be able to play your games on another console for an unlimited amount of time whereas you can only play it for an hour.

My guess is they will probably have you associate up to 10 different devices to your account but that would lead to a group of friends buying only one copy of a game sharing it. There are probably more restrictions they are not sharing at this time.

 

[HiredN00bs]

I'd like to thank everyone who cheered for this system with the faulty thinking that it would "punish" the practices of Gamestop. Congratulations, you have cheered the introduction of a racket, with Microsoft, AAA publishers and Gamestop all profiteering from the loss of basic private selling between individuals.

Worth repeating.

 

[schuelma]

The used games thing and the online DRM thing are two separate issues. People keep claiming Sony will follow suit in all areas when we already know that's not the case.

Gotcha

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Regular consumers aren't going to understand this at all, it's just going to confuse them and make them feel like they're being sold a used car or something, especially casual gamers who were just getting used to the current market of used games.

Why does everything have to be so complicated... It's just going to spell trouble.

 

[Mastamind]

I can buy games on Steam brand new for $10 or less. I've yet to see a precedent set by Microsoft offering Games on Demand for similar pricing.

The games you can buy on steam for 10 or less are not triple AAA multi million dollar games. They are xbla quality games which ms sells for 800-1600 MS points ($10-20 or cheaper if you buy the points on sale)

 

[Cutebrute]

They actually put this up literally moments after the Washington Post breaks the story that NSA is data-mining MS servers -- "extracting audio, video, photographs, e-mails, documents and connection logs that enable analysts to track a person’s movements and contacts over time."

"You have total control over your Kinect privacy. Also, Bob from NSA says hi."

I see that Sony is not of the corporations featured on that list.

This announcement is just as bad as I feared it would be. The way I game today on consoles would be completely jeopardized by the Xbox One; I don't even buy used games often, but my college dorm cannot support online consoles and my friends and I buy and share games all of the time.

EDIT: This thread grew 3 pages in the time it took for me to type the original response.

 

[madmackem]

Maybe MS dont think it fair that families have to buy the same game multiple times simply so that they can play together,

Could be a really good selling point

We dont know if you can play on it more than one account at a time yet. It could kick you off if someone signs in on the other account and boots the game up.

 

[Justin]

More on the family share from the xbox support twitter

@majornelson @XboxSupport I CAN share a game with my son, ok I'm in.

Xbox Support (1-5)Verified account ‏@XboxSupport 20m
@Kenneth_Toy In fact, up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on ANY Xbox One console. ^AR

@XboxSupport Can they use their own Live account? Dont like people getting my Achievements for me.

@Kenneth_Toy Yes, they can! ^AR

This sounds pretty awesome but the only way I can see it working is if all 10 family members share the same billing information

 

[Xenon]

One thing that would be possibly cool is if you can play your family members online with only one game.

 

[HooYaH]

Isn't the inability in not able to resale practice illegal in EU if it's not at launch?

 

[3rdamention]

err... that's a lot of confirmed hoops and bullshit, there. As someone that buys/sells/trades games regularly, this is fucked up.

Same here, they made it so damn complicated.....but I give them credit for the answers, now the ball is in Sony's court..