Well 3d World is the game you're looking for. Multiplayer platforming totally changes the way you play (for the better) in the 2d Marios. There is no reason not to think that it would have an equal effect on a 3d Mario.
Super Mario 3D World for Wii U
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Well 3d World is the game you're looking for. Multiplayer platforming totally changes the way you play (for the better) in the 2d Marios. There is no reason not to think that it would have an equal effect on a 3d Mario.
I found it noticeable.
I imagine the game will be excellent for those who loved 3D Land, but you're right it's not for me.
(I don't mind the aesthetic/level design of 3D Land, but 8-way movement + run button kills 3D World for me. Simply controlling Mario in 64/Sunshine/Galaxy 1+2 itself was a joy, but not in 3D Land).
Dion Blaster
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Is 8-way movement confirmed? I figured that would only be the case if you're using the dpad
If they're copy and pasting from 3D Land, that's what it'll be.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Will buy.
In 3D land the movement was diferent from stage to stage. In some areas you had full 360 degree control, as oposed to the more common 8 direction controls
Karsticles
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Spoken like someone who has never watched a SM64 timed run.
Dion Blaster
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...? So do we not know? Because that would suck
megabytecr
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I was disappointed with the Mario 3D reveal, they did not do a good job with that reveal.
With that said there is a lot of hate and only a couple of levels have been shown. I think they went the safe way to quickly ship this game, but this does not mean that it is going to be a bad game.
Have you guys watched the Dev Direct? He mentions that this game incorporates all the best ideas of previous games and some new ideas.
I have only seen the first level, anyone else with a gameplay link from other levels?
With that said there is a lot of hate and only a couple of levels have been shown. I think they went the safe way to quickly ship this game, but this does not mean that it is going to be a bad game.
Have you guys watched the Dev Direct? He mentions that this game incorporates all the best ideas of previous games and some new ideas.
I have only seen the first level, anyone else with a gameplay link from other levels?
They don't do it because they lack the talent and are too cheap to acquire it.
jts
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No one has the talent to make Mario-level tight platforming over online multiplayer.
3D Mario games as of now could be grouped in three sets:
Mario 64 and Sunshine: Tight 360° controls with free explorable levels.
Also the camera could be moved freely (and sometime need to be managed by the player).
Mario Galaxy and 2: To recoup sales, since Sunshine sold well but well below Mario 64, EAD kept the tight 360° controls but introduced more linear levels.
Player can barely control the camera view.
Galaxy more or less matched the sales of Mario 64.
3D Land and World: This ones are a mix between 2D Mario and 3D Mario. Levels are linear and for the most part can be traversed though orthogonal ways. Also seems more reliant on citation from the early games in the 2D series.
Camera for the most part is fixed.
3D Land quickly became the best selling 3D Mario game ever in Japan.
The one thing they have in common is that all of them are great games (who less who more).
Freezie KO
Banned
Sad, but the recent games confirm those suspicions. I can't believe they found a way to NSMBify the 3D games.
Gonzo The Great
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I would have preferred an open world game in the vein of Super Mario 64, but this still looks fantastic. CHARGING CHUCK MOTHER FUCKERS.
People keep saying this, but I'm sure that fighting games and fps games are far more precise and timing oriented than this. I see no reason why it wouldn't be possible.
If I can do just frames online, surely I can make a jump or two with Mario.
poppedcollar69
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I suspect that the people who are reacting negatively to this game are generally the same people that did not play 3d land.
they can just that it would a an inferior experience and would lead to deaths that are not the users fault.
dampflokfreund
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Who says that this is the true 3D Mario? I think there's another one in development, a true 3D Mario and will revealed on E3 2014.
theclosetfan
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You say this as if it's a straight port of the 3DS game. We have literally no idea how expansive 3D World is.
They tested out new, more accessible 3D Mario gameplay on the 3DS. Based on sales and reception, it was a success.
Now they are expanding on those ideas with a bigger budget and better technology. That sounds like an excellent strategy to me. I don't see how another Galaxy game re-branded as "Universe" or whatever would be any different.
Solid Samus
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I posted this in another thread but I think it applies here
gaming_noob
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I LOVE the way this game looks and plays. Haven't played the original 3D Land though.
evilromero
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After getting this, I would just be happy get Mario Sunshine HD next year. They could improve the camera a bit in the process.
ZombiePlatypus
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Yes. Exactly. 3D World doesn't look like a bad game at all. It's just not the revolutionary console Mario title that every Nintendo home hardware is supposed to get.
ViewtifulJC
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Yeah, sure...
Never thought 3D Mario would be one of the least interesting parts of an E3 conference
then again, I never thought they would botch the Wii-U's launch like this either, so hey
None of these confirm anything. Not that I care much, I don't think I even noticed 3D Land was 8-way.
I think you're kidding yourself
Basically sums up my feelings, the knee-jerk reactions here are frankly embarrassing.
dampflokfreund
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Source?
The unveiling trailer looked absolutely terrible, but the roundtable/youtube vids look much better.
I think Nintendo just really screwed up the unveiling (And they really need to get away from these terrible naming schemes that conflate different systems or concepts. DS/3DS confused some people, as did Wii/WiiU. I've seen people confused, thinking that NSMB Wii and U are simply ports of the DS game, since they use the exact same art and music designs, and have the same game titles. Same with initial impressions of 3D Land and 3D World. Hell, when I first saw 3D World, at first I thought it was for the 3DS, since I immediately recognized the 3D Land style, but then I realized it was too clean and high res for that. The naming is even worse in this case because the "3D" aspect of the title "3D Land" was a reference to the 3DS, and in 3D World it's not.)
Nintendo needs a complete overhaul in its marketing, at least when it comes to Mario and their hardware. The confusion and poor initial impressions have been a consistent theme for the last 5-7 years.
They'd be better off calling it Ultra Super Mario World.
I think Nintendo just really screwed up the unveiling (And they really need to get away from these terrible naming schemes that conflate different systems or concepts. DS/3DS confused some people, as did Wii/WiiU. I've seen people confused, thinking that NSMB Wii and U are simply ports of the DS game, since they use the exact same art and music designs, and have the same game titles. Same with initial impressions of 3D Land and 3D World. Hell, when I first saw 3D World, at first I thought it was for the 3DS, since I immediately recognized the 3D Land style, but then I realized it was too clean and high res for that. The naming is even worse in this case because the "3D" aspect of the title "3D Land" was a reference to the 3DS, and in 3D World it's not.)
Nintendo needs a complete overhaul in its marketing, at least when it comes to Mario and their hardware. The confusion and poor initial impressions have been a consistent theme for the last 5-7 years.
They'd be better off calling it Ultra Super Mario World.
evilromero
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Maybe I haven't seen enough of the game yet, but one thing that bothers me is the topography of the levels. Everything is very rigid and step-like. I'm not seeing a lot of natural curvatures or contours of environments like we saw in 64/Sunshine. Everything for the most part looks very rectangular with steep steps leading up to platforms. Not a lot of rolling hills for example, which was always very visually pleasing to me. I'm not sure if that makes sense or not but it's one thing I didn't really like aesthetically about 3D Land as well.
NSMBWii was a revolutionary Mario title, far more than Galaxy. I'd be a bit careful of dismissing multiplayer.
WiiredShawn
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Except that expectation is silly. Mechanical changes to mainline Mario games (which discounts the important element of the aesthetic, but that's for a separate discussion) are fairly gradual. Super Mario 64 was the closest to a "revolution," but Super Mario Sunshine was very similar, introducing a different setting that necessitated some mechanical changes (i.e., water-based gameplay). Mario Galaxy is also very similar structurally, with its hub world and objective-based, find-the-star gameplay; its main contribution is, again, a change of setting that necessitated some mechanical changes (gravity-based gameplay).
Those changes are definitely significant, but one could arguably say they are not "revolutionary," only different additions to a set of core mechanics and structures. 3D World follows in that legacy of introducing some different mechanics (the different suit powers) to some core game play principles, with one major addition: simultaneous, co-op multiplayer in a 3D environment. In my mind, it's just as "revolutionary" as any Mario game after SM64, only that its aesthetic has a very close analogue in 3D Land - and I believe that's what most of the "disappointment" is hinging on, more so than the gameplay end of things.
Just have to say, 3D land has my favorite controls on 3D mario. That game was excellent, on a larger scale they will do some great things. The only thing that bothers me is a lack of innovation that we are supposed to see with a new 3D mario. I have a strong feeling there will be one but much later.
Hey, what are you doing? Get out of my head! Seriously though...this is pretty spot on for me too (same reaction to Retro's game being DKCR2, thinking "their huge AAA game must be in development by a 2nd team!")except for a few places. To be honest, I accept that it'll be fun, but somewhere deep in my heart, I believe that the actual 3D Mario game is in development (same with Retro's AAA game). :3
evilromero
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How was NSMBWii revolutionary in any way? NSMBDS also had a multiplayer mode, which in my opinion was far better than what we got in the Wii version (2-player VS. mode didn't constrict players to one screen- they had total freedom running through the levels). The best we can say is it was an iterative improvement over its predecessor, certainly improving aspects of level design. But revolutionary?
Solid Samus
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You're really comparing NSMB DS's coin collect multiplayer minigame to NSMB Wii's introduction of actual cooperative multiplayer gameplay to the main game?
Sorry dawg but that's pretty dumb, and so is acting like cooperative multiplayer wasn't a revolution within the series. It's the biggest sole advancement the 2D series has seen since SMB3 and world maps.
Freezie KO
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Played 3D Land. It's not as good as either Galaxy game. Its bite-size nature made it fine for handheld, but I didn't really need another. And I especially didn't need a sequel to 3D Land to be the next big console Mario game.
Mario 64, Sunshine, Galaxy. Each one brought something very new to the table (even if Sunshine has its haters). 3D World looks like an attempt to turn the 3D Mario games into an accessible commodity like what has been done with NSMB.
And for people who are out of college and no longer have dorm parties, it's a useless mode, especially because it's offline. The main game plays just like the DS version. Unless you're selling NSMBWii as a party game instead of a platformer, it's not revolutionary to the series.
Exterminieren
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The thing is... both of the Galaxies strove to introduce a new concept in every in-game Galaxy. They weren't necessarily successful, but the levels were thematically tight, and the innovation was always there.
Here? None of that. Platforms and steps all the way. They hand us a catsuit and transparent pipes, and call it innovation.
I have faith in EAD Tokyo to put out excellent level designs, don't get me wrong at all, but they've got to overcome what is, to my eyes, a self-evidently less ambitious game concept than any 3D Mario previously.
Here? None of that. Platforms and steps all the way. They hand us a catsuit and transparent pipes, and call it innovation.
I have faith in EAD Tokyo to put out excellent level designs, don't get me wrong at all, but they've got to overcome what is, to my eyes, a self-evidently less ambitious game concept than any 3D Mario previously.
WiiredShawn
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Nintendo wants its most recognizable and accessible mascot to have games that are accessible to the widest swath of players as possible.
Shocking, I know.
3D Land with more powers + more ambitious environments + simultaneous local co-op sounds like fun. It will be the first time I've managed to get my girlfriend (otherwise a pretty hardcore gamer and a lover of 2D Mario) to play a 3D Mario game with me.
How can you say it, if you didn't saw the whole game?
And complaining abou platforms in a platform game is quite ironic, just saying!
Solid Samus
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It doesn't play like the DS version. The physics and level design of NSMB DS were mostly shit, NSMB Wii felt like a much tighter game. And your last sentence doesn't make any sense... it's revolutionary to the series precisely because it turns the 2D Mario platformers into something that can be enjoyed with other people. That was a big element of its success, and FYI, just because it's a useless mode for you doesn't mean that a fair portion of the massive amount of people who went out and bought the game, which includes demographics a lot more varied than 'people who are out of college and don't have dorm parties' and 'people still in college who do', haven't gotten anything out of it.
disclaimer
i don't even like NSMB Wii compared to 3D Marios but multiplayer was a big addition to the series and I don't even see how someone could act like it wasn't
PaperFlame
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I think the main problem with this game is that there is no theme to it really.
The first level they showed looks exactly like games we already seen.
In Mario 64, it was completely different than the previous games because it was in 3d.
Sunshine theme was a island and galaxy was in space.
This game has no new theme, so it feels boring. Not only that, the camera angle is zoomed out. The game would look much different if the camera angle is behind mario instead of a bird eyes view; however, the developers are not able to do that because of multiplayer.
The first level they showed looks exactly like games we already seen.
In Mario 64, it was completely different than the previous games because it was in 3d.
Sunshine theme was a island and galaxy was in space.
This game has no new theme, so it feels boring. Not only that, the camera angle is zoomed out. The game would look much different if the camera angle is behind mario instead of a bird eyes view; however, the developers are not able to do that because of multiplayer.
Exterminieren
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Valid, but observe Galaxy 2's initial trailer.
In there, we see Yoshi properly implemented in 3D, we see new ways of getting round the levels with his tongue lash, we see the fruits that he uses, we see the drill powerup and the applications that it has in gameplay, we see the freezing of a water level and the transition it makes to an ice level, we see the combination of 2D space and 3D space in a way we hadn't seen much before, we see the use of the slowdown switch to navigate an incredibly fast level, we see a level where the ground is constantly changing, deforming and cutting itself away beneath your feet, we see Flipswitch Galaxy and the way that an action you have taken for granted in Mario changes the makeup of the level, you see the shadow Mario concept in action... and this is just for the trailer for the perceived expansion pack sequel!
Comparably, 3D World shows off multiplayer, the cat suit and transparent pipes. I don't deny the wall-climbing stuff with the cat suit has potential for interesting gameplay, but that aside there's absolutely nothing to compete with the lurid ingenuity of that Galaxy trailer, never mind the finished product itself. I accept that they might be hiding the scope, innovation and genuinely new mechanics that 3D World has, but I have severe doubts.
There's something to this, as well. The Galaxies (as in the individual levels, not the games as a whole) were really well themed, and used these themes to their advantage. 3D World (and this is a big criticism I had of 3D Land, too) is nowhere near as creative or cohesive with their themes. At least give me a world name, for goodness sake!
You can justify to yourself all you want but I will lay down that it sold 26 million copies. I'll leave why it's revolutionary as an exercise to you. Taking and insular and contrary-to-reality stance will not help you make an argument.
ViewtifulJC
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What does that have to do with how good or bad the game is
NSMB DS sold a lot of copies too and it was crazy mediorce