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[Valjean Lafitte]

Unfortunately your eyes are invalid, considering that lack of popularity is a great reason not to include a character in a game which is basically fanservice. There are some characters that are not very popular or forgotten, like Mr. Game and Watch and R.O.B. but they an important party of Nintendo history.

Did you say fanservice?

Here's the thing...Krystal fans exist, and in great numbers. You can dismiss all fan art and fan fiction as creepy furry fap material if you'd like, but the people who do like her seem to be far, far more vocal than those who don't. She's more than popular enough to make it into the roster.

I don't know what's funny about it, really. It matters at a tournament level but to the average casual smash player Falco and Wolf are just shit clones of Fox, whose move set was already basically made up all-original for Smash because he didn't have anything from the games outside the Arwing. At least Krystal has an in-universe move set that could be leveraged and would differentiate her not only from the other Starfox characters but also from most of the rest of the cast.

This x 1000. I'd be glad to see Falco and Wolf return if they take greater strides to differentiate them from Fox, but I don't see that happening. What I can see happening is them giving another character from the series a chance, one with a fighting style that was already established.

Bullshit, I'd take Assault designs over Command designs any given day!

Bullshit? Didn't he just get through saying that he preferred the Assault designs?

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

New pic of the day:

Megaman and mario sitting in a train, f-i-g-h-t-i-n-g.

 

[Valjean Lafitte]

New pic of the day:

Not pictured: Wii Fit Trainer.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Bullshit? Didn't he just get through saying that he preferred the Assault designs?

He said Command designs look better

Also I can't see how they can make Wolf any more "unique" barring his Final Smash and Up B.

 

[Valjean Lafitte]

He said Command designs look better

Also I can't see how they can make Wolf any more "unique" barring his Final Smash and Up B.

....isn't this who you were responding to?

Star Fox Command has awful designs all around. Fox never had the giant head until they released that terrible game. That said all the characters look better in Assault, my two ¢

 

[ugly]

Not pictured: Wii Fit Trainer.

I didn't know the spit-roast was a yoga pose?

 

[Pietepiet]

Other women:

Don't forget this incredible badass:

 

[Trike]

Here's the thing...Krystal fans exist, and in great numbers. You can dismiss all fan art and fan fiction as creepy furry fap material if you'd like, but the people who do like her seem to be far, far more vocal than those who don't. She's more than popular enough to make it into the roster.

I wouldn't link to creepy fanart and fanfics, seeing as how it is frowned upon here. I also didn't mention Krystal specifically in that, and I did say I think it is likely she will appear. Because what other Star Fox character would? But great numbers in comparison to what? Fanart doesn't translate to Smash Bros fans. I'm sure Krystal has a large amount of fans, but so do other Nintendo characters and in greater numbers. I doubt Nintendo is looking at fanfic communities to gauge interest in characters. They are probably looking more into characters whose series sell well or are classic such as Mega Man or the Ice Climbers. Praise or hate Krystal all you want, none one should describe her as classic.

Fox, Falco, and Wolf are though, partly due to their well known catchphrases from Star Fox 64.

 

[Valjean Lafitte]

I didn't know the spit-roast was a yoga pose?

It isn't, but the Cat Pose is!

 

[ugly]

Haha so that's what the kids are calling it xD

 

[Valjean Lafitte]

I wouldn't link to creepy fanart and fanfics, seeing as how it is frowned upon here.

Then its a good thing I didn't.

I also didn't mention Krystal specifically in that, and I did say I think it is likely she will appear. Because what other Star Fox character would? But great numbers in comparison to what? Fanart doesn't translate to Smash Bros fans. I'm sure Krystal has a large amount of fans, but so do other Nintendo characters and in greater numbers. I doubt Nintendo is looking at fanfic communities to gauge interest in characters. They are probably looking more into characters whose series sell well or are classic such as Mega Man or the Ice Climbers. Praise or hate Krystal all you want, none one should describe her as classic.

There's so much closed mindedness here I don't even know where to begin. Fan art and fan fic communities don't matter? How is Nintendo supposed to gauge a character's popularity if not through fan sites? She hasn't gotten her own game so its not as if they can use the Star Fox series amount of or lack of sales as a deciding factor. Star Wolf doesn't have a fandom, he has a meme. And that's not even to mention characters like the Ice Climbers and King DeDeDe who made it in who are arguably not classic. I'm assuming your definition of classic is to have a history as a beloved Nintendo character, like Link or Samus Aran. In that sense, no one is describing Krystal as classic, but being classic hasn't been a prerequisite since Melee.

 

[Boss Doggie]

....isn't this who you were responding to?

Man my eyes must be poor, I originally read that as "they're better than in Assault". lol

I kinda dislike Fox's look in Assault though. He looks... weird. With that said everyone else looked good.

 

[Valjean Lafitte]

Man my eyes must be poor, I originally read that as "they're better than in Assault". lol

I kinda dislike Fox's look in Assault though. He looks... weird. With that said everyone else looked good.

I didn't like his, General Pepper's, or Peppy's design in Assault. Other than those three I think everyone looked better in that game than in Command, but I did like most of the ending scene art in that game.

 

[Professor Beef]

Fan art and fan fic communities don't matter?

nope

 

[EatChildren]

I don't want Krystal for the same reason I don't want Sonic to return: the fandom scares me.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

I don't want Krystal for the same reason I don't want Sonic to return: the fandom scares me.

Seems sort of unfair to everyone who wants Sonic in just because... well, it's Sonic. I don't want Krystal in because she was a badly designed character in a bad game.

 

[Boss Doggie]

I didn't like his, General Pepper's, or Peppy's design in Assault. Other than those three I think everyone looked better in that game than in Command, but I did like most of the ending scene art in that game.

Oh yeah, forgot about Pepper. Looks really... creepy.

I dunno what's wrong with Peppy tho, he seems fine.

 

[Valjean Lafitte]

Seems sort of unfair to everyone who wants Sonic in just because... well, it's Sonic. I don't want Krystal in because she was a badly designed character in a bad game.

And that's perfectly reasonable, unlike not wanting her in because a certain subsection of the fandom is weird.

Edit: New page!

 

[Trike]

Then its a good thing I didn't.



There's so much closed mindedness here I don't even know where to begin. Fan art and fan fic communities don't matter? How is Nintendo supposed to gauge a character's popularity if not through fan sites? Star Wolf doesn't have a fandom, he has a meme. And that's not even to mention characters like the Ice Climbers and King DeDeDe who made it in who are arguably not classic. No one is describing Krystal as classic, but being classic hasn't been a prerequisite since Melee.

You clearly didn't look at your deviant art pic. Post the more suggestive pictures in that first page of results if here if you are so confident.

Closed mindedness? Krystal's appeal is not from the games she is in, it is from a creepy community obsessing over her. I am willing to bet you that Nintendo does not browse fan-fiction websites to gauge the popularity of anything. No one ever should. I am also betting they probably do not search deviantart for data either. Ice Climbers is a classic Nintendo game, I don't see how that is debatable. It was not very well known prior to Melee though. King DeDeDe totally is though, I don't see how you can argue that. He has been a Kirby villian since the start. I didn't say it was the only prereprerequisite, however.

Wolf is a consistant villian/rival in the Star Fox games, and was easy to make a moveset for considering how similar he is to Fox.

also Krystal did have her own game. It was called Dinosaur Planet, and Nintendo decided to make it about Star Fox because it was so bland.

 

[Mazzo]

I can't imagine many characters I would want less in SSB4 than Krystal... Excluding most of Sonic's friends >.>

I like the Sami suggestion :3

 

[Valjean Lafitte]

You clearly didn't look at your deviant art pic. Post the more suggestive pictures in that first page of results if here if you are so confident.

I posted a link to the top search results for "Krystal", nothing more. Nothing pornographic is at the top of the page and the first suggestive pose is five posts down from the top and is so poorly drawn I'm not sure it can even be called that.

Closed mindedness? Krystal's appeal is not from the games she is in, it is from a creepy community obsessing over her. I am willing to bet you that Nintendo does not browse fan-fiction websites to gauge the popularity of anything. No one ever should.

Creepiness as you call it infects every gaming community where there are female characters involved. Human or animal, its rule 43, welcome to the internet. The bolded is where the close mindedness comes in. You let your distaste for fan fiction distract you from the fact that the people who read it and write are very real fans. Since Krystal doesn't have her own game series, and thus, sales numbers to indicate her popularity, I would like to see you suggest some method Nintendo might use to gauge her or any other auxiliary character's popularity outside of looking at the internet fanbase.

I am also betting they probably do not search deviantart for data either. Ice Climbers is a classic Nintendo game, I don't see how that is debatable. It was not very well known prior to Melee though.

It was a classic...but it wasn't well known. Hmm.

King DeDeDe totally is though, I don't see how you can argue that. He has been a Kirby villian since the start.

And you think your average Kirby fan was just clamoring for him to get in as a Smash character? Do you think a casual Kirby fan is even aware of how "classic" DeDeDe is, or even what the name of that fat penguin thing is? You're letting your Nintendo nerdiness cloud your assessment of how recognizable these characters are, and all I'm doing is saying that a character didn't have to be that recognizable to begin with.

also Krystal did have her own game. It was called Dinosaur Planet, and Nintendo decided to make it about Star Fox because it was so bland.

What does your opinion about Star Fox Adventures have to do with anything?

Its clear that you want to dismiss the reality of this character's popularity, as you also want Nintendo to; because you find it creepy, when in reality Nintendo doesn't give two shits about why a character is popular. If you can't acknowledge all of that there's no point in arguing any further with you.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

And that's perfectly reasonable, unlike not wanting her in because a certain subsection of the fandom is weird.

Edit: New page!

Yeah tarring with the same brush is a little unfair. There's apparently a section of the SSB fanbase that enjoys sending Sakurai upskirt screenshots of Zelda/Peach, doesn't mean those characters shouldn't be in/should wear pants.

 

[GamerSoul]

Yeah man. I see her always walking around with this gun:

except maybe bigger, more exaggerated and strapped around her shoulder, hanging at waist-height. She's actually be a heavy character, with a slow-ish walking speed. Her Neutral B would be firing the machine gun, obviously, but she'd have a few quick A melee moves and borrow a lot from Snake's moveset. Namely mines and his up-smash and stuff. Possibly the guided-rockets too. She'd be pretty easy to implement overall. Actually her moving pace would be similar to Snake's I imagine. They'd be kind of similar, except Sami would be more foxy

I like your idea but the weapon type maybe a problem. I think she'd be focused more on explosives, missiles, etc, like Snake and his Smash iteration. I would LOVE for her to be more like Chris from MvC3 though, with a whole arsenal of weapons at her disposal. She could be a great replacement if Snake doesnt make it back. Sakurai, a character from a series based on Advance Warfare may make a decent character. just saying lol.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

And that's perfectly reasonable, unlike not wanting her in because a certain subsection of the fandom is weird.

Edit: New page!

http://i.imgur.com/oQ2rM7t.jpg

Oh god,
lol

 

[A Link to the Past]

I don't think "no guns" is a lock for SSB4. From what I've seen and heard, a lot of the insistence was that they didn't want to get a T rating, which they received anyway.

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

Yeah man. I see her always walking around with this gun:

except maybe bigger, more exaggerated and strapped around her shoulder, hanging at waist-height. She's actually be a heavy character, with a slow-ish walking speed. Her Neutral B would be firing the machine gun, obviously, but she'd have a few quick A melee moves and borrow a lot from Snake's moveset. Namely mines and his up-smash and stuff. Possibly the guided-rockets too. She'd be pretty easy to implement overall. Actually her moving pace would be similar to Snake's I imagine. They'd be kind of similar, except Sami would be more foxy

She could actually work with Snake's moveset if he doesn't appear in the new game.
And I would prefer that.

 

[Valjean Lafitte]

Moving on to other characters that might be in Smash 4..

There is, in my opinion, a very decent chance that alongside Toon Link (who, face it, we all know is coming back thanks to Wind Waker HD) we'll be getting Toon Zelda as well (and maybe Tetra). Why? Because hackers found an empty character file in Brawl indicating that she was once planned to be in the roster: http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Toon_Zelda_&_Sheik

"Toon Zelda & Sheik" are names that are stored on the Super Smash Bros. Brawl game disc. Though no such characters appear in the final retail version of the game, hackers discovered a character file package in the game that was designated for the two, indicating that the pair was once planned to appear in the game.

Some speculate that "Toon Sheik" may refer to Tetra, as Sheik has never been depicted in a Wind Waker-influenced art style. However, noting that Sheik had never been depicted in a Twilight Princess-influenced art style either prior to Brawl (Although Sakurai stated on DOJO!! that Sheik's Brawl design was based on unrevealed Sheik concept art made for Twilight Princess that was ultimately cut from the game), along with the choice of the name used, it may be more probable that the developers were planning on designing a new Sheik model, in the same manner as what was done with the standard version of the character in Brawl, or that such a model had been designed but ultimately unused in any of the Zelda games. Because the programming is incomplete, the original intentions remain unknown.

 

[Village]

Moving on to other characters that might be in Smash 4..

There is, in my opinion, a very decent chance that alongside Toon Link (who, face it, we all know is coming back thanks to Wind Waker HD) we'll be getting Toon Zelda as well (and maybe Tetra). Why? Because hackers found an empty character file indicating that she was once planned to be in Brawl: http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Toon_Zelda_&_Sheik

That would be cool.

 

[ugly]

Tetra Tetra yeees come onnn Tetra

 

[GamerSoul]

I think Zelda is set with its Smash character representation. I'd like to see Impa but it's not likely.

I don't think "no guns" is a lock for SSB4. From what I've seen and heard, a lot of the insistence was that they didn't want to get a T rating, which they received anyway.

I get what you're saying but any additions to Smash has to mesh well with everything else so i don't know if adding realistic guns/rounds would feel right. And Snake might have pushed them to that T rating lol. just a guess.

 

[ash_ag]

Moving on to other characters that might be in Smash 4..

There is, in my opinion, a very decent chance that alongside Toon Link (who, face it, we all know is coming back thanks to Wind Waker HD) we'll be getting Toon Zelda as well (and maybe Tetra). Why? Because hackers found an empty character file in Brawl indicating that she was once planned to be in the roster: http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Toon_Zelda_&_Sheik

Sorry, but Toon Link doesn't return most likely.

(At least his cameo is pretty sweet!)

We're most likely having ALttP Link taking the "Young Link" tunic this time around.

 

[Snowden's Secret]

I think Zelda is set with its Smash character representation. I'd like to see Impa but it's not likely.



I get what you're saying but any additions to Smash has to mesh well with everything else so i don't know if adding realistic guns/rounds would feel right. And Snake might have pushed them to that T rating lol. just a guess.

I'd like to see them take out Sheik and just make that moveset Impa.

 

[Doczu]

Sorry, but Toon Link doesn't return most likely.

(At least his cameo is pretty sweet!)

We're most likely having ALttP Link taking the "Young Link" tunic this time around.

Didn't Sakurai tell that rosters won't be the same for both games? If it's true, then there is still hance for toon link on the Wii U

 

[Moonlight]

Didn't Sakurai tell that rosters won't be the same for both games? If it's true, then there is still hance for toon link on the Wii U

He said quite the opposite.

That said, I don't see how Spirit Tracks Link being present in the background somehow means that Toon Link ala Wind Waker won't be coming back.

 

[GamerSoul]

I'd like to see them take out Sheik and just make that moveset Impa.

It maybe an unpopular opinion but I feel the same way. If SS is any indication, Impa would be a great character with some magic skills.

 

[Berordn]

He said quite the opposite.

That said, I don't see how Spirit Tracks Link being present in the background somehow means that Toon Link ala Wind Waker won't be coming back.

They're kind of the same design, though being in the conductor's outfit and using the DS model is an odd choice.

 

[Valjean Lafitte]

It maybe an unpopular opinion but I feel the same way. If SS is any indication, Impa would be a great character with some magic skills.

I still never got around to playing much of SS, but thanks.

 

[GamerSoul]

I still never got around to playing much of SS, but thanks.

sorry man, if it helps, i'm being really vague. lol

 

[ash_ag]

He said quite the opposite.

That said, I don't see how Spirit Tracks Link being present in the background somehow means that Toon Link ala Wind Waker won't be coming back.

It's true that they aren't the same person per se, but I feel like this is sort of like the TP/SS Link situation. They might be passing the message that Toon Link isn't returning by showing a version of him so early. I hope I'm wrong though, since Toon Link is my secondary main in Brawl.

A renovated, bigger Tetra's Ship stage with cameos would be awesome though!

 

[ugly]

Toon Link will be in, but if you play as Toon Link on the Spirit Tracks stage, then Donkey Kong wearing a conductor's hat is loaded as the train driver. If both Toon Link and Donkey Kong are playing in the same match, the driver becomes Goku

I have inside sources

 

[NeonZ]

The thing about Krystal is as much as I dislike her and her design, she makes a lot more sense as an original character than Falco or Wolf. I really hope they do away with endless clones, and in line with that I would absolutely take Krystal over either of those as a second Starfox rep. Give her the staff and magical powers from Starfox Adventures and make her somewhere between the Fire Emblem guys and Zelda's magic in how she plays. Certainly better than three fucking dash-reflector guys.

And why do you think she wouldn't be a dash-reflector girl? Even if she got her staff, which she never actually wielded on foot in-game, it easily could mimick Fox's moveset. Even in Star Fox Adventures, it could release blasts, it could act as a shield (which could be turned into a reflector for Smash), it had a rush attack and would need to get an original flying rush attak anyway. Her normals would be different, but that doesn't stop you people from complaining about Wolf.

The Star Fox series nowadays is pretty much dead, any further representation will be added due to the popularity of the Starfox characters in Smash, not due to their original games. There's a reason that Assault's on foot gameplay was completely ignored when they added Wolf and tweaked Falco for Brawl. They weren't trying to really reference Starfox there.

Sorry, but Toon Link doesn't return most likely.

Technically, Spirit Tracks Link is a different character from Wind Waker Link, and, more importantly, he isn't even wearing a green tunic there. I'd be more fearful if he actually were in the hero clothes - then it could be seen as "Toon Link" in the background of the stage, but with the conductor clothes he looks different enough.

Anyway, don't forget Sakurai's most recent statement about the line up. He isn't setting out to remove any characters, if anyone is cut, it'll be due to time limits.

 

[StayDead]

There's an issue in the OP. It's June not July

 

[Senator Soufflé]

The only staff user should be Palutena.

There, move on...

 

[lwilliams3]

It's true that they aren't the same person per se, but I feel like this is sort of like the TP/SS Link situation. They might be passing the message that Toon Link isn't returning by showing a version of him so early. I hope I'm wrong though, since Toon Link is my secondary main in Brawl.

A renovated, bigger Tetra's Ship stage with cameos would be awesome though!

Spirit Track's Link is

Spoiler

the spiritual successor to the Waker of Winds

, so they are not the same character as much as TW Link is to SS Link. In any case, the Wii U version will not even have the same stage.

 

[Valjean Lafitte]

Am I the only who doesn't care for the "Toon" moniker? It sounds so lame. There are more dignified ways of differentiating between Links: Wind Link, Twilight Link, Ocarina Link, etc..

 

[Neoriceisgood]

The only staff user should be Palutena.

There, move on...

What about Medusa?

 

[Jintor]

Normally I'd be like AWars doesn't get enough pop to show up as playable in Smash, but I've long since given up trying to predict anything and am finding it way more entertaining to just roll with anything that happens

*Seriously, Wii Fit Trainer, who saw that coming that wasn't the gemetsu insider

 

[Berordn]

What about Medusa?

Adventure mode boss.

 

[NeonZ]

I wish an Advance War representative just to see a crazy character summoning soldiers, tanks and planes. It'll be lame if we get an AW representative and it's just a standard character with modern weapons. The new characters in this game so far seem to be very good at referencing their original games though, so I guess I have some hope.

 

[EatChildren]

*Seriously, Wii Fit Trainer, who saw that coming that wasn't the gemetsu insider

Who is the gemetsu insider?