Edge #256: Why PS4 is your next console (Shots fired, post-DRM 180)

Joni said:
It is a preview, where after spending time with both consoles they prefer one. It is the same like previewing two high profile releases and comparing them. If this is wrong, than so is the entire practice of previewing games and critiquing those preview builds.
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Uh, have you read a game preview in recent years? This is a very tenable viewpoint >.>
 
Ol No Bones said:
Journalism shouldn't be picking winners and losers especially in an inflammatory way just to get people to pick it up. If you didn't want a digital console fine, but Microsoft responded (unfortunately) and their policies are the same. Microsoft had the best games showing I think many would agree. It's not like the ps4 is clearly the best console. I think I will thoroughly enjoy both consoles but there is actually a lot of reasons to be excited about the Xbox even when in comparison to the ps4.
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I disagree entirely on all accounts. This isn't news. These are fucking games. They can take whatever side they want.
 
pa22word said:
Yeah....

The PS4 release date and final list of launch software in comparison, and the former has yet to be announced for the X1. By March 2010, it logical to assume newsweek had a review system to play around with, and a full list of finalized features to review. Edge has neither. They are telling people to buy a system based entirely on impressions from a press event at in a controlled environment, with incomplete release information on both systems.



Yep, I am on NeoGaf it seems.
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Oh FFS, Newsweek was hyping a computing peripheral in a previously unreleased form factor and operating system to a non-existing market, and you are actually trying to get away with this flimsy argument?

Do yourself a favor, shut up.

This is NeoGAF. People don't take to bullshit well.
 
Hana-Bi said:
Well they could have said:

"Why you should buy the PS4"

instead they say:

"This is your next console - why the only option right now is the PS4"

They have to explain why the X1 isn't even an option with games like Forza, Killer Instinct, etc. ...
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It's almost like they want you to read the article and see if any counter-arguments are presented...
 
Haven't read edge in ages but they put out magazines you want to keep. I want to read this one and I haven't bought a magazine in like a decade.
 
Takuya said:
After, but that shouldn't even matter. I don't think anyone should turn a blind eye to what Microsoft tried to do despite pulling a 180 and proving that they lied to consumers the whole time.
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What did they lie about? They wanted to go all digital but left an option for disk based distribution and installs which required some form of authentication. It wasn't bad and it was literally the only way costs could go down. It's an unfortunate reversal if policies. I would agree that their messaging was as bad as it can get.
 
Panajev2001a said:
Exactly, nobody wants them to fanboishly champion a console, but defending the consumers' rights should be their goal.
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This is the part of the post-reversal narrative that I don't quite understand. It's understood that both Sony and Microsoft were exploring the same paths. The only difference is that Microsoft (temporarily) went for it and Sony (smartly) did not. With the reversal, things are back to status quo.

So what rights are they defending, exactly? Are people not satisfied with the ability to turn Kinect off? Do people actually think that Microsoft will reverse these policies mid-generation? If so, how in the world would they even head down that path? Are people upset that you have to connect to the internet for the initial setup?

I think that nearly all of us are somewhat bothered that the console is underpowered (compared to the PS4) and comes with Kinect, but that's a consumer choice issue, not a consumer rights issue.
 
something fishy said:
no sure a one console future is really the best for gamers but it looks more likely by the day.
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Apple and, in all likelihood, Google will enter the market in some form in the future. Also don't write off Nintendo. They're a consistent performer and we've hardly seen the last of them on the hardware side of things.
 
I cant be the only person who remembers this cover, surprised me at the time:-
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Dynopia said:
No it isn't the same because it wasn't an issue for some people, what are you not getting???

The second X1 pulled something I wasn't happy with, I would have veto'd any purchasing plans. Nothing to do with fanboyism, you're just incredibly closed minded failing to see that for the portion of people that don't lend, buy new and are connected to the net, this wasn't an issue.
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This is such a ridiculous sentiment. Of course you're within your right to want to buy an XBOne because the policies don't affect you. I don't think anyone is trying to tell you otherwise. But I think it's quite the opposite in terms of who is not seeing where the issue is. I don't understand how people who would not have been affected by all the policies Microsoft just reversed cannot see how other people would be affected.

If the policies remained, and didn't affect you, that's great. But guess what, you lost nothing. Meanwhile, a bunch of other people (I'd say the majority but I suppose there are stats on that) just lost a bunch of stuff. We can't sell our games, we can't lend our games, we can't play where we don't have internet (for whatever reason). What's your response to that, "too bad?" Because you are not negatively affected, it's not a bad thing?

If the US decides tomorrow that next election, women can't vote, or minorities can't vote, I don't think the average white male can say "oh well that doesn't affect my voting rights, who cares" - something has negatively impacted a large group of people in such a way that it needs to be called out for what it is - bullshit.

I kind of wish the policies remained intact, because then when some hackers (probably from some "tier 2" or "tier 3" country) decided to try and take down XBox live for any length of time - and heaven forbid, actually succeeded - the realization that you can't authenticate your games, and therefore not play them at all, would bring a bunch of you back down to earth and the threads on GAF would be GLORIOUS.


Anyway, fantastic cover and hope the article backs it up and then some.
 
CouldBeWorse said:
This is the part of the post-reversal narrative that I don't quite understand. It's understood that both Sony and Microsoft were exploring the same paths. The only difference is that Microsoft (temporarily) went for it and Sony (smartly) did not. With the reversal, things are back to status quo.

So what rights are they defending, exactly? Are people not satisfied with the ability to turn Kinect off? Do people actually think that Microsoft will reverse these policies mid-generation? If so, how in the world would they even head down that path? Are people upset that you have to connect to the internet for the initial setup?

I think that nearly all of us are somewhat bothered that the console is underpowered (compared to the PS4) and comes with Kinect, but that's a consumer choice issue, not a consumer rights issue.
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Some people think we shouldn't forget about it and that counts just as much as actually implementing it, most are Sony fans funnily enough.

If Edge have come to the opinion that PS4 is the only console to have based on power and price, good for them, bit weak but that's their opinion. If it has anything to do with DRM/Online though they're doing a disservice to their readers.
 
Zephyrus said:
Why? It's EXACTLY the same behavior. Someone is abused and forgives whoever abused them because they do a U-turn in their behavior.

What's disgusting is your ridiculous fanboyism that allows you to turn a blind eye on this issue.
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You know that it's not impossible that Sony had similar ideas but just had a change of mind before they unveiled the console?

Sony has patents on stuff like this and puts online-passes in all their published games

To think that Sony just cares about the consumer and not about how much money they can make seems naive. They were just smarter and knew that DRM would mean less pre-orders. (#ps4nodrm anyone?)

Companies are not humans, to say that they "showed their true face" seems so silly. They will go wherever the money lies.
 
Ushae said:
I agree, I'm sure PS4 will sell more initially, no doubt. X1 is more than capable of selling well, especially with it's broader audience appeal, part of the reason why a lot of my family (casual) members are considering buying one. For example my brother, a Fifa gamer and loves watching his TV shows simply said 'X1 can do X,Y and Z .. what can PS do other than play games?' .. which baffled me a little to be honest but it's the truth.
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Yes, my girlfriend who only plays games casually already threatened me that I mustn't dare to even think about getting a PS4 over an Xbox One, which really surprised me since she initially seemed dismissive of Microsoft's TV integration aspirations.


In my opinion, if MS can drop the price, produce consistently high quality 1st party content and also show the new TV stuff (Halo series) is worth it. They'll succeed.
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PS4 will outsell it initially primarily thanks to Xbox One's yield woes, but I'm sure that expected limited launch quantities are the main reason why Microsoft is seemingly waving off Xbox One's $100 premium over PS4. The price will definitely drop in the second half of 2014 (unless the thing remains competitive at its launch price, of course), and they should be in a much better position then.
 
Hana-Bi said:
Well they could have said:

"Why you should buy the PS4"

instead they say:

"This is your next console - why the only option right now is the PS4"

They have to explain why the X1 isn't even an option with games like Forza, Killer Instinct, etc. ...
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It's obvious that the cover is for attention --- I mean, look at this thread.

The content of the article itself will hopefully be more reasonable. Heck, I'm pretty sure it will be.

Overall, after everything that happened this past gen (in terms of changes) I really can't see how one could say that things are already over/done. Not saying that this EDGE cover/article is saying that -- it's just that it's (obviously) being used by some as a way to back up that opinion/statement.

Hence why I said I'm tired of console warz. Both consoles look to have many interesting games/features -- then when you put in future price drops, future exclusives, system features, future OS updates, etc. who knows what will happen.

Guess I'm just tired of the console war buildup.
 
CouldBeWorse said:
This is the part of the post-reversal narrative that I don't quite understand. It's understood that both Sony and Microsoft were exploring the same paths. The only difference is that Microsoft (temporarily) went for it and Sony (smartly) did not. With the reversal, things are back to status quo.

So what rights are they defending, exactly? Are people not satisfied with the ability to turn Kinect off? Do people actually think that Microsoft will reverse these policies mid-generation? If so, how in the world would they even head down that path? Are people upset that you have to connect to the internet for the initial setup?

I think that nearly all of us are somewhat bothered that the console is underpowered (compared to the PS4) and comes with Kinect, but that's a consumer choice issue, not a consumer rights issue.
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Thinking about murder and actually having the knife in your hands swinging for our throats are two different things.

It's best for all involved that they get used to the fact that the gaming populace in general has no love for Microsoft right now. Whining about narratives isn't going to change that.
 
Deadly Cyclone said:
I think it's more that journalists should remain as neutral as possible. Taking a side now will just make you question all of their future XBO game reviews, etc. No to mention question whether they are inflating PS4 reviews.
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I'd rather journalists presented news as fact, but remained on the side of their readers when considering arguments to explore for features and opinion pieces.

Journalists shouldn't be required to be faceless drones, getting readers to buy your magazine in the age of free online news requires magazine covers to grab attention, anyone who takes the first six words as the entire article without buying the mag and reading the lengthy article is missing the point- Edge is £5 a copy, and an article comparing both consoles equally has been done to death already by free publications. It's about finding new angles on things, even if its a provocative cover backed up by a reasoned argument.

Neutrality has been covered in depth by both online and offline sites terrified of pissing off PR from the big players, it's good to have some magazines that don't pull punches occasionally, and there are tens of magazines to read that don't cost any money if the thought of a lengthy feature that hasn't been entirely scrubbed of all opinion doesn't match what you are looking for.
 
lupin23rd said:
This is such a ridiculous sentiment. Of course you're within your right to want to buy an XBOne because the policies don't affect you. I don't think anyone is trying to tell you otherwise. But I think it's quite the opposite in terms of who is not seeing where the issue is. I don't understand how people who would not have been affected by all the policies Microsoft just reversed cannot see how other people would be affected.

If the policies remained, and didn't affect you, that's great. But guess what, you lost nothing. Meanwhile, a bunch of other people (I'd say the majority but I suppose there are stats on that) just lost a bunch of stuff. We can't sell our games, we can't lend our games, we can't play where we don't have internet (for whatever reason). What's your response to that, "too bad?" Because you are not negatively affected, it's not a bad thing?

If the US decides tomorrow that next election, women can't vote, or minorities can't vote, I don't think the average white male can say "oh well that doesn't affect my voting rights, who cares" - something has negatively impacted a large group of people in such a way that it needs to be called out for what it is - bullshit.

I kind of wish the policies remained intact, because then when some hackers (probably from some "tier 2" or "tier 3" country) decided to try and take down XBox live for any length of time - and heaven forbid, actually succeeded - the realization that you can't authenticate your games, and therefore not play them at all, would bring a bunch of you back down to earth and the threads on GAF would be GLORIOUS.


Anyway, fantastic cover and hope the article backs it up and then some.
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Why do you think I said some?? I 100% see how it would have affected people negatively and I even said MS deserved the flack for it???
 
CouldBeWorse said:
This is the part of the post-reversal narrative that I don't quite understand. It's understood that both Sony and Microsoft were exploring the same paths. The only difference is that Microsoft (temporarily) went for it and Sony (smartly) did not. With the reversal, things are back to status quo.

So what rights are they defending, exactly? Are people not satisfied with the ability to turn Kinect off? Do people actually think that Microsoft will reverse these policies mid-generation? If so, how in the world would they even head down that path? Are people upset that you have to connect to the internet for the initial setup?

I think that nearly all of us are somewhat bothered that the console is underpowered (compared to the PS4) and comes with Kinect, but that's a consumer choice issue, not a consumer rights issue.
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I am of the opinion that people are too quick to forgive Microsoft for even attempting that BS in the first place. And it doesn't help that they started the Internet pay wall last gen.
 
pa22word said:
No, they should inform their readers as best they can and let them make an informed decision. Slapping "buy the PS4! it's the only choice" is nothing but system wars flamebait.
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Or it could be their personal opinion. Magazines can have opinions too. Newspapers and magazines endorse presidential candidates all the time.
 
Hindle said:
Incredibly unprofessional of them.

They just lost thier reputation on by resorting to fanboy bullshit.
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I think it's the other way around. Fanboy/PR bullshit would be to deliver the talking points of each and not critique the situation. MS fucked up badly, and it doesn't take a fanboy to realize that. While it's no indication of anything, nearly all of my close friends bought a 360 years before their PS3 last generation (some don't even have a PS3) and nearly all of them now have a PS4 pre-ordered and have taken a "wait and see" approach to the XB1 or insist they won't be getting one at all. A couple said they're going PC only.

It's not about Sony really, it's about how terrible Microsoft's strategy and messaging has been.
 
I still blame the general news media for starting this bullshit "all sides are equal no matter how crazy one side is" line of reasoning. Enough so that it has permeated enough peoples conscience to think that a media outlet can't be objective about something... or maybe that all started with the bullshit "there are no losers, only winners!" school mantra
 
pa22word said:
You didn't actually respond to a single thing I posted, but I guess that's pretty convenient for the guy who considers solely posting images a sound argument, then goes on to tell people to "shut up" when they say things that he doesn't agree with.
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The answer you are looking for is up there, and I couldn't have less of a care while you go 'yada yada yada' with your fingers in your ears.
 
Zephyrus said:
Close minded? No.

I'm just not an imbecile.

See, I'm not an housewife who gets beaten by her husband every single day, but forgives him each and every day because he kisses her, buys her flowers and says "I'm sorry baby, but you made me do that. You know I love you"

I don't have stockholm syndrome.

People are free to buy the console. Like they were when it came with a spiky plug that you had insert it in your rectum in order to play games.

It's just that, this is the company that tried to screw you. The only company so far that did. And you're giving them the thumbs up.

Want games? You got three other platforms to enjoy your hobby. None of them do what microsoft tried to do.
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It's legit disgusting when you or anyone else compares console preference to spousal abuse.
 
pa22word said:
Yeah....

The PS4 release date and final list of launch software in comparison, and the former has yet to be announced for the X1. By March 2010, it logical to assume newsweek had a review system to play around with, and a full list of finalized features to review. Edge has neither. They are telling people to buy a system based entirely on impressions from a press event at in a controlled environment, with incomplete release information on both systems.
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This is also 5 months in advance of launch, there is plenty of time for them to change their minds later on if they think it looks more even depending on updates etc in the next few months. Have you read the article or are you just commenting on it's headline?

Ultimately Edge has a circulation of approx. 25,000 including its tablet edition- not exactly a huge amount, and it's one paid-for mag amongst dozens of games sites available for free.

I'd also much rather a wide variety of voices and opinions were available in features writing rather than every piece being carefully balanced- leave that for the news coverage, I read games mags to find out what professional writers who have more time than me to look into this stuff think.

You can bet that they weighed up the cost of their relationship with MS PR before doing this, it might well cost them review copies of various games, but it's still a better press relationship than the sites who depend on PR to supply them with everything.
 
Hindle said:
Incredibly unprofessional of them.

They just lost thier reputation on by resorting to fanboy bullshit.
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I don't understand how this is unprofessional or fanboyish(hate that word). Its just their opinion. They never came of fanboyish in the past....
 
Dizastah said:
I don't understand how this is unprofessional or fanboyish(hate that word). Its just their opinion. They never came of fanboyish in the past....
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just imagine if the XB1 was on the cover.

Would anyone really say "Let's wait and see what arguments they have"?
 
something fishy said:
shouldn't they await a finished product before doing so and give the market some time before calling a winner?
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That's the main issue I'm having. It all seems so premature. There is still alot we don't know, how the OS's will perform at final product etc... If it was done the month before launch, with everything laid out, and they still take that stance... then fine. Right now it just seems like early propaganda.
 
Dizastah said:
I don't understand how this is unprofessional or fanboyish(hate that word). Its just their opinion. They never came of fanboyish in the past....
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I'm assuming it comes across less fanboyish in the actual article and the cover is to get people to notice it, it is fanboyish though then they say it's the only option.

I dunno why people think Edge are all that credible in the first place though? They obviously favour British devs and Halo.

I will lol if Halo starts getting 8's from them and Killzone 10.
 
Qvoth said:
http://www.economist.com/printedition/2008-11-01
Pa22word, what do you have to say against this?
On my phone so I can't link that economist cover
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I can't even see what that is based on your link. *googles it*

Uh, that is no way comparable to the headline in the op. I mean yeah, it's an endorsement, but it doesn't flat out tell you to go vote for the guy and all other people running are irrelevant. This isn't even getting into the fact that comparing political endorsements with video game console previews is kinda off base don't you think?

Qvoth said:
Yeah in fact I posted that because pa22word ignored your post but not on those time iPhone covers and ny Times endorsing Obama
Just wanna see what he has to say
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Yes, because I very intentionally ignored one post in a topic of 700+ on a board notorious for its movement speed after I entered several hundred posts in.


>.>
 
So is this out? I'd love to read the article before saying anything. I will say it's a bold move, but I can't disagree (for the most part). MS has shown that it's moving away from a gaming focused machine. Not entirely, but enough to make me uncomfortable of what it may be in 5 years. With the PS4 I feel fairly confident they will be focusing on games.

I'm really curious though, being that the XB1 still has some great games and fairly competitive hardware, how they are choosing the PS4 as their GO TO machine when a lot of the OS related information isn't released for either.

Kinyou said:
just imagine if the XB1 was on the cover.

Would anyone really say "Let's wait and see what arguments they have"?
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Haha! Fcuk no. It would be "Monehat$, M$, Edge has always hated Sony". BUT, that's just this board recently, and for the most part it's warranted (I don't think to the extent GAF has been lately with how much hate the XB1 receives) but I really feel we still know very little about either machine. I don't know what Sony's DRM practices are, I know they are charging for Online now, I don't know what the OS finalized version is going to look like and if they will have "recommended" tiles in their homescreen ... there's too much I DON'T know. With what I know right now, PS4 has a strong lead but XB1 could change my mind with a more robust Live service if they offered stuff on the same level as PS+.
 
Before the DRM reversal, that line would be 100% accurate. Right now, eh I don't really know. 90% accurate I guess!

Hana-Bi said:
Well they could have said:

"Why you should buy the PS4"

instead they say:

"This is your next console - why the only option right now is the PS4"

They have to explain why the X1 isn't even an option with games like Forza, Killer Instinct, etc. ...
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True, it's not like there are other sim racers or fighters out there. Surely not.
 
Honestly, we didnt even know what the reasons are in the magazine?

Its tough to argue against the cover without knowing what arguments they made either way.
 
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