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[Phoenician_Viking]

I don't recall you shitting on Sony because $599 and Blu-ray trojan horse. Why is that?

Because i started posting on GAF in 2011. And BR proved to be good for large games because of its capacity. The price was very high, and the Cell was difficult to develop for. And Sony did not tried to screw me with this DRM crap.

Read my post and see what i say about Vita memory cards.

 

[zainetor]

I need to read the article but I do agree with the stance given on the cover. Unless you're a diehard MS fan I can't see why you would want the Xbone. Especially at launch. In a few years after a price drop or two... maybe.

The PS4 has it beat in just about every regard.

people keep saying this, but I thought the main reason for choosing a console were exclusive games. og xbox was a better deal than ps2, but everybody got the other one because of the games.

 

[Huggers]

This went to print before Microsoft's 180. Had there been no 180 EVERYONE would be lauding them for calling out Microsoft. Edge is always a class read, will pick it up Thursday

 

[DBT85]

Dat spin. I think you could have included the last line as an asterisk behind a spoiler in another post to complete the effect.

Since he seems to have someone inside Sony, but not inside MS, I'm not sure what the problem is.

 

[Jhriad]

Dat spin. I think you could have included the last line as an asterisk behind a spoiler in another post to complete the effect.

If Sony required the indie eight and The Witness to have publishers they'd likely already have more announced exclusives that they published for the developer. It's a silly argument on both sides when each side is artificially filtering results to prove their respective points.

 

[sometimes i game]

It's the game that XB1 fanboys think, after playing the screenshots and the teaser vids, is so good that it will save the system from its disastrous initial missteps and make the XB1 a must buy. This is despite the fact that it'll be available on PC. Thereby ensuring that "Titanfall" is a satirical remark that will be driven into the ground.

The joke is Major Nelson used Titanfall as a way to evade questions about MS DRM, so we bring it up as the answer to everything like Microsft did. They really thought that "core will buy anything" and "Have you seen Titanfall" was a proper answer to "Your policies suck, why do you expect people to go with them?"

 

[nded]

I believe the X1 allows you to use an external HDD

USB 3.0 external drives are more expensive and slower than an internal drive replacement. Also, what if the X1 internal drive fails? Can you just completely replace that with an external drive?

 

[Manmademan]

This aint a sprint ahki. It's going to be a 7+ year battle.

could be either or.

Gen 4 (SNES) was drawn out for a long time. the SNES launched 2 years after the Genesis though.
Gen 5 (PS1) was settled immediately vs Saturn/3D0/Jag and within about a year of the N64 launch.
Gen 6 (Ps2) settled immediately vs DC, xbox and gc never got a foothold.
Gen 7 (???) is still up in the air 7 years after the market leader imploded.

the only situations that were drawn out seemed to have extenuating circumstances. The SNES launched late against the Genesis, and segas marketing was brilliant and caught Nintendo off guard. The wii should have won early and decisively, but Nintendos poor hardware choices and bad third party relations killed it faster than anything Microsoft and Sony did

 

[SiteSeer]

I believe the X1 allows you to use an external HDD

i guess that external hdd will keep the external power brick company then.

 

[PsihoPerihelion]

I actually agree.

 

[Atomski]

Wow, seems like they don't expect much ad money from MS?

Or Sony offered them more..

Funny thing is Im not even a console gamer but I bet Xbone does fine.

 

[bishoptl]

This went to print before Microsoft's 180.

No.

 

[CouldBeWorse]

That list is artificially boosting one side over the other. Microsoft requires indies to publish through them or find a publisher (meaning a lot of them end up being Microsoft published). Sony gets a lot of exclusives by default simply by actually being relevant in the Japanese market. It'll be near impossible to say until well after launch which system will actually have more exclusives in the first year. Also it doesn't include Planetside 2 or DCUO for some reason.

I don't think that list includes cross-gen games like Planetside 2 or DCUO. It's also just meant to show 1st/2nd party exclusives, not 3rd party exclusives or independently-published indies.

Also, I believe that Microsoft is financially backing Below and D4 (the only two "indies" on there), so they are no different than Dead Rising 3 or Ryse.

 

[Windom Earle]

I remember them scoring PS3 exclusives badly a few years ago and Sony GAF accusing them of heavy bias. Edge just doesn't give a shit, they will always speak their mind. I applaud this cover.

 

[Ninja Kn1ght]

This went to print before Microsoft's 180. Had there been no 180 EVERYONE would be lauding them for calling out Microsoft. Edge is always a class read, will pick it up Thursday

No it didn't. This was printed after they changed their mind and it's reflected in the article.

 

[twobear]

Since he seems to have someone inside Sony, but not inside MS, I'm not sure what the problem is.

Oh, I see. I suppose I stand corrected.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

USB 3.0 external drives are more expensive and slower than an internal drive replacement. Also, what if the X1 internal drive fails? Can you just completely replace that with an external drive?

Well that certainly is an issue. They have not given any information regarding how an internal drive failure will be handled.

 

[Coolwhip]

Ballmer is behind Xbone now. Loss by default.

 

[DBT85]

No.

I've heard to not reading the OP but not reading the title is pushing it lol.

 

[Moobabe]

This went to print before Microsoft's 180. Had there been no 180 EVERYONE would be lauding them for calling out Microsoft. Edge is always a class read, will pick it up Thursday

After - it's been confirmed.

 

[Cat Party]

Seems awfully premature to be picking a winner. But when you're selling magazines, you gotta strike when the iron is hot.

 

[Tom Penny]

Very Unprofessional.

 

[Deadstar]

In before Titanfall

Yeah, but it looks like Edge hasn't seen it.

 

[Huggers]

No.

OH

I swear I read this morning it did. My bad. Now I really have to read it!

 

[Tobor]

Well that certainly is an issue. They have not given any information regarding how an internal drive failure will be handled.

They'll ask you to mail it in to them, just like any other hardware problem.

 

[Corto]

What's the logic? Are Edge claiming MS lost the console wars? Lost the PR wars?

Just that at the moment, Microsoft seems to be in a turmoil, changing policies just a few days after they are announced, adopting a reactionary attitude, having at hands a PR nightmare and with the head of the division leaving for Zynga as the culmination of an horrid month.

 

[Nags]

After - it's been confirmed.

.

 

[Huggers]

I've heard to not reading the OP but not reading the title is pushing it lol.

Haha, that's been edited! I didn't notice the change!

 

[FeD.nL]

No matter what side of the fence you're on or between, this as been a historical console war. Goddamn that Sony E3 press conference just dug in that knife. Even with the 180 we are looking at a $100 (!!! That's fucking huge and YES it matters) difference. A focus on more affordable ways to accommodate game creators (self publish, F2P) and consumers (PS+). I think they realize that costs for making games have gotten too high. You can easily make compelling experiences with half the budgets that are thrown into some of these projects. The digital age is here, let's face it, that's where it's all going. Day 1 digital stuff has been a huge success for them. Sony had to realize this is the future. People that have access to the internet are more likely to buy digital! It's really not that hard.

Not only did Microsoft waste time, money and precious resources to concoct a draconian system, they failed to see the writing on the wall! Digital was always coming! They didn't have to make themselves look like asses. I think they seriously underestimated the titan that is this inter-connected network with streams of information from hundreds of millions of people all over the world 24 hours a day. Youtube, Twitter, Facebook... not to mention all the sites dedicated to this industry specifically... what a fucking blunder on MS.

Great post! Couldn't agree more. Coming in this E3 Xbox was one, if not the, strongest brand of Microsoft. It's no coincidence they rebranded zune to Xbox music. After the E3 Microsoft did lose alot of value of the Xbox brand and they basicly lost Europe and what markets they had left in Asia.

 

[Freki]

So, let's get this straight.

-Microsoft announces a console that locks your games to their online service. They can only be played if you're online.
-They try to kill the used games market.
-They force a camera that most don't want, don't care and that is constantly on.
-They overprice the console a full 100 dollars/euros than it's superior competitor.
-They insult gamers everywhere with every single piece of PR.

They made the most cowardly U-turn after sseing how badly the xbone pre-orders were, remove most of the draconian features, but also remove most of the benefits that it was supposed to have.

And you want to support this company? You want to give money to this company?


When GAME PUBLICATIONS are looking for YOUR RIGHTS, you condemn them?

You want to defend the company that branded their entire userbase a thief?

This.

 

[jmls1121]

could be either or.

Gen 4 (SNES) was drawn out for a long time. the SNES launched 2 years after the Genesis though.
Gen 5 (PS1) was settled immediately vs Saturn/3D0/Jag and within about a year of the N64 launch.
Gen 6 (Ps2) settled immediately vs DC, xbox and gc never got a foothold.
Gen 7 (???) is still up in the air 7 years after the market leader imploded.

the only situations that were drawn out seemed to have extenuating circumstances. The SNES launched late against the Genesis, and segas marketing was brilliant and caught Nintendo off guard. The wii should have won early and decisively, but Nintendos poor hardware choices and bad third party relations killed it faster than anything Microsoft and Sony did

Nintendo made a huge profit from day one with the Wii. Playstation lost half of their marketshare and XBox360 lost huge money at the start of the gen (which has lasted 8 years for them). Arguing anyone else than the Wii won this gen is simply not credible.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

That list is artificially boosting one side over the other. Microsoft requires indies to publish through them or find a publisher (meaning a lot of them end up being Microsoft published). Sony gets a lot of exclusives by default simply by actually being relevant in the Japanese market. It'll be near impossible to say until well after launch which system will actually have more exclusives in the first year. Also it doesn't include Planetside 2 or DCUO for some reason.

Because those two aren't exclusive, they're also on PC. You'll note it doesn't include Titanfall either.

I'm not sure how having better indie and Japanese support is "artificially" boosting one side. It's a legitimate advantage.

 

[Sid]

That list is artificially boosting one side over the other. Microsoft requires indies to publish through them or find a publisher (meaning a lot of them end up being Microsoft published). Sony gets a lot of exclusives by default simply by actually being relevant in the Japanese market. It'll be near impossible to say until well after launch which system will actually have more exclusives in the first year. Also it doesn't include Planetside 2 or DCUO for some reason.

They're not exclusives.

 

[Jhriad]

I don't think that list includes cross-gen games like Planetside 2 or DCUO. It's also just meant to show 1st/2nd party exclusives, not 3rd party exclusives or independently-published indies.

It should be obvious that I understood the point it was trying to get across but that the jpg had an agenda. It's silly to only talk about exclusives in the context that picture is putting them in. There's no reason why people shouldn't be made aware of titles like Transistor, Hohokum, Doki Doki Universe, and Galak-Z simply because those companies weren't put under an arbitrary publisher restriction. No reason unless you're looking to push the conversation in a specific direction. Also Planetside 2 won't be coming to PS3 so it's not a cross-gen game.

Also, I believe that Microsoft is financially backing Below and D4 (the only two "indies" on there),

That's what a publisher does.

Because those two aren't exclusive, they're also on PC. You'll note it doesn't include Titanfall either.

Titanfall isn't published by Microsoft. That's why it wasn't included in the list.

 

[longdi]

PS4 is just a better designed console than Xbone.
teamxbox goofed on this one so Edge is right.

 

[Freki]

They already got buried in a sense since E3. They reversed course, which I never thought they would, and probably will bounce back somewhat from it. Also, I would never want Sony, MS, Nintendo to run shit with one console.

Completely agree - but a tough generation to get a little bit more humble seems like a positive for me ( see PS3 )

 

[shinobi602]

So I'm guessing EDGE is now blacklisted lol?

 

[Forceatowulf]

Holy shit.

I'm so used to the gaming press bowing their heads to the major companies so seeing this is pretty amazing...

And yeah, MS doesn't deserve to be let off the hook that easily. I'm getting an Xbox One (slim version when it's out) but MS still deserves to be smacked around a bit for the cluster-fuck they caused. You don't get to just walk away after trying to fuck people over like that.

 

[Caddle]

I just wish some of you would shut the hell up already. Have an opinion in a magazine ever influence how a product sells. Who the fuck really buys magazine these days? Declaring the race over before its started is fucking fanboyish bullshit.

 

[Gadirok]

This article actually seems interesting. I wonder what they could possibly list as reasons why the PS4 is the only console to pick for the upcoming generation as I'm curious.

The $100 difference to the one is a huge difference for me, and I am satisified with SCEW and their work. I can't really list anything else besides PS+.

 

[AstroNut325]

people keep saying this, but I thought the main reason for choosing a console were exclusive games. og xbox was a better deal than ps2, but everybody got the other one because of the games.

When it comes to games... Sony destroys MS. And that is putting it lightly.

 

[kevcampbell]

That front cover is awesome, EDGE is massive right?

But what sort of people buy EDGE, is it mainly the hardcore audience or do casuals buy it aswell, as this helps get the right message out there with that cover but its the casual audience that needs persuading if they are unsure of console choice

 

[watership]

ps4 also will have user replaceable hdd. a big plus since a lot of games will require installs. 500 is good to get started but i know we'll need bigger drives by mid gen, and i know i won't pay an extra 20% for a proprietary hdd from ms.

No proprietary storage. You just plug in any USB stick or USB drive into XONE for storage. There is no size restriction now. 90 percent of people won't need the disk change or extra storage, and for the rest, they'll probably be savvy enough to want to use a USB stick. Memory speed and size is growing and prices are dropping.. a USB 3.0 sticks are now approaching 1TB, I don't think this will be an issue.

 

[mr teaspoon]

Even with the 180 we are looking at a $100 (!!! That's fucking huge and YES it matters) difference.

It's not huge, at least not beyond the first year or two.

 

[DeFiBkIlLeR]

PS4 is just a better designed console than Xbone.
teamxbox goofed on this one

I'm sure they designed it to the exact brief that was given to them, i.e. games aren't the priority.

Given that, I'm sure it's a pretty good design job, from an engineering POV.

For a 'core gamer' like me though, it just comes across as a casual gaming POS, but then I'm not their primary focus any more.

 

[Nafai1123]

I just wish some of you would shut the hell up already. Have an opinion in a magazine ever influence how a product sells. Who the fuck really buys magazine these days? Declaring the race over before its started is fucking fanboyish bullshit.

Calm down man, it'll be OK.

 

[DBT85]

It's not huge, at least not beyond the first year or two.

If you mean in terms of logical thinking "Over the course of the next few years $100 is nothing" then no probably not. But in my experience people think more about the right now price and less about the total over the generation.

 

[Majmun]

It's not huge, at least not beyond the first year or two.

$100 difference is huge. No matter how you spin it.

It's an extra game and Ps+ subscription for the people who chose Ps4 instead of X1. That's ahuge deal for the average Cod and Battlefield gamer.

 

[inner-G]

It's not huge, at least not beyond the first year or two.

Do you think a hundred Euro difference is huge?

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

There's nothing wrong with the cover. I've read around the internet (not specifically and only here) and there seem to be some disagreeing with it because of the 180 and also because the lots of games MS showed. Which to me all sounds very shortsighted.

I obviously haven't read this article but I assume it's more about long term than short term. For instance the DRM is all very suspect and it does show a state of mind the company is in and a direction they clearly WANT to go. As for the games, the 360 launched with a lot of exclusives that microsoft paid for and secured as well, a wide range of titles, but then what happened down the line? Yeah...

Sometimes you have to look past this years E3 and launch lineups and last second reversals and look at the bigger picture by taking the previous generation into account and everything we know now. It's not really that bold a statement on the cover. Won't pretend like I expected it though.