Yes. I'm very sure MS will see this article and completely turn the ship towards consumerville and gamerville.
Edge #256: Why PS4 is your next console (Shots fired, post-DRM 180)
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Yes. I'm very sure MS will see this article and completely turn the ship towards consumerville and gamerville.
There is such a thing as editorial, you know. And Edge can revise their statement at any time before, during and after launch. Waiting specifically until launch doesn't do much to address how the vast majority of the generation is going to play any better than just what we've seen so far. At launch, will Edge be in any better position to predict if one of these console will get hit by an RROD-level mass hardware extinction, or another mass outage on the scale of the PSN hack, or any number of megaton exclusive buyouts that could play out over the course of the generation to sway the determination of which console will be a better ROI? 95% of the next gen will still be a complete unknown at launch, so maybe the only responsible journalism to be done is to wait until the end of the generation to make a judgment.
And if you feel this strongly about Edge jumping the gun with their editorial, I can only imagine what you must think of all the people who have preordered one or both of these consoles already.
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This cover is almost perfect, using the stand on the PS4 kill the perfect rhombus like shape the cover would have had otherwise. Quick Photoshop.
I'm just going to say the wisest thing MS can do if they want DRM / DD games to be big this gen is to slowly shift to games releasing first on DD say at first a week early , then two weeks then a month.
This will slowly make people move over to DD and then they wont need to worry about discs. It will also bring consoles into this decade.
I don't plan to buy any discs for the xbox one.
This will slowly make people move over to DD and then they wont need to worry about discs. It will also bring consoles into this decade.
I don't plan to buy any discs for the xbox one.
That would probably piss off the retailers and if they're not seeing the adoption of digital downloads that they want they could get in some hot water.
I don't see any problem with this cover. EDGE clearly states that Right Now the PS4 is the only choice for gamers.
Given the lack of information coming from MS, whether is be releasing Spec's or actually trying to provide us any verifiable positives to owning a XBone, I cant see any choice other than PS4.
On a plus, the design of the cover is pretty slick.
Given the lack of information coming from MS, whether is be releasing Spec's or actually trying to provide us any verifiable positives to owning a XBone, I cant see any choice other than PS4.
On a plus, the design of the cover is pretty slick.
most likely just gamestop. I don't think target / toys r us or others really care. I bet they would be happier if they just carried plastic game cards that cost 5 cents to make and they get a $5 profit which also can fit 50 of them in the space of a single bluray case.
It would be less room needed for the video game section and more space devoted to higher margin accessories like controllers . The best part is you don't have to worry if someone runs off with the card , its worthless if its not activated.
Also if we have another gen like this one and prices stay high for awhile , ms can offer more of a cut from the retail price of the xbox one .
Seems like a good thread to post this. Another highly read magazine (UK) that's favouring the PS4 heavily on the front page:
Just got it in today.
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Just got it in today.
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Fixed.Seems like a good thread to post this. Another highly read magazine (UK) that's favouring the PS4 heavily on the front page:
Just got it in today.
Edit: image doesn't seem to be working. I'm failing at trying to upload an image via mobile... If you copy and paste the link it'll work, and if someone could rehost it that'd be great.
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Given the PS4's currently lacking exclusive line-up, still questionable performance advantage, conservative design (sadly, with the policy reversal a part of that has now rubbed off on Xbox One as well, yay), and relegation of PS4Eye to an optional peripheral, limiting its (already inferior, compared to Kinect) potential, right now I can't see any choice other than Xbox One. However, I realize that's just my opinion shaped by my tastes and limited information currently available about both of these consoles, and I wouldn't dare project that on everyone else or make ridiculously premature judgments about the future market performance of those products. You see, that's the problem.
But Edge needs readers badly so I can understand the reasoning behind the sensationalism. As always, it seems to be working.
What does this even mean?
There is no question whatsoever.
You mean the aesthetics?
heliconsoul
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Come one guys you could at least try to read the topic, it's even in the goddam thread title. It's been mentioned nay hundreds of times this article is post U turn.
agreed.
It's only lacking because Sony hasn't announced a lot of it. We know they have more first party games and more new IPs in development than MS and those are possibly from actually critically acclaimed, proven developers like Naughty Dog (their second team has been quiet since the release of Uncharted 3 in 2011), SCEA Santa Monica & Media Molecule, not outsourced stuff to horrible-in-the-past devs like Double Helix.
Questionable how? It's pretty much proven to be considerably more powerful than Xbone. Of course multiplatform devs would say otherwise, but do remember that 1) most of those are developing cross-gen games with unfinished dev kits so far, so almost none of them are really pushing either of the hardware, and 2) those same multiplatform developers often lied how there's no difference between their PS360 multiplatforms yet there often were (worse framerates, textures etc. in a lot of half-assed PS3 versions). That was with PS3 & 360 being almost as powerful, the difference between PS4 & Xbone is bigger, if any of the analysis of the hardwares so far is correct.
Lol, neither Eye nor Kinect will provide anything too revolutionary. The camera technology has been there since PS2 made it somewhat popular with the masses, yet nothing really worthwhile has come out of it (apart from Dance Central)
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Shouldn't Edge be all about the games? How they can claim one machine over the other is the winner when it totally depends on your taste in gaming and the exclusives that come with each machine - it is a ridiculous headline.
For me, I much prefer the games I've seen on the Xbox One so far, so that will be my first purchase. The PS4 will follow suit at some point as I always buy all available machines. But games for me over graphical differences etc.
baphomet
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No, edge needs advertising dollars, and by taking an actual stand for what they believe they've just basically given half of their income away. Good on them for not regurgitating the pr lines they were given about both systems, but actually informing the public.
Keep fighting the good fight Citadel lol. Mandatory Kinect and a definite hardware advantage somehow turned in to negatives...
And you're really worried about exclusives? There are already way too many launch games for both consoles imo. Fact that Sony has more first party exclusives in the works compared to Microsoft is great, but for launch completely unnecessary. I assume they will just be announced over time.
So you're basing your first purchase (which you seem to have already decided somehow) based off incomplete games lineup details, and you're saying that for you, it's about the games?
Yep. 2000 odd replies in a Gaf Thread based solely on the front cover of their next edition alludes to it working. We haven't even seen any content yet.
If we are discussing the cover alone, their is nothing misleading about it. However, once further details are released from both camps their article and position may need to be reviewed. I dont think this battle is over by a long way. If it was, MS should probably just pull out of the console market now and save themselves the hassle of flogging a dead horse.
12 of the 30 first party games are new IP's.... so that is also a great thing. After the launch year(s) we tend to get no new IP's.
I think if you look at the SCE output over the PS3's lifecycle that is not a true statement.
12/30 = more than 33% (actually 40%) new IP's. If we have more than half that (15%) IP's throughout the rest of the first party releases I'd be surprised. Do you have a total first party titles -> new IP's for last gen? It could be interesting to compare the PS3 -> PS4 and Xbox 360 -> Xbox One, and vice versa.
The main reason this happens, is most of the new IP's may get sequels, thus the teams are no longer making new IP's. There are only so many teams available. The beginning of the generation is always the best time for new IP's.
My take on the article is that EDGE are saying right now the only choice gamers have is a PS4 because it's the only console we have verifiable Specs and details on. Most of the info we have on the XBone is from leaked info and extrapolation.
If a purchaser has a choice between purchasing a product that they know the details about ie what they are getting for their dollar, or purchasing a product with very limited details ie unknown value for their dollar, I dont think it's too much of a stretch to work out which option is more viable.
Further to that, i would hope an enthusiast magazine that purports to be for the Gamer would help point out which is the better option for my dollar.
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So Edgy.
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I'm saying that initially, from what I've seen, I want Forza, Titanfall and Dead Rising over anything I've seen on the PS4 - so for me, my first purchase will be the Xbox. I'm sorry if that is difficult to understand.
And a HUGE factor....I have a disabled left hand, and have always been able to game much more comfortably with the Xbox controller. I have to limit play with the PS pad. It's a big deal for me. But those games above say more to me than anything on PS4 for now.
Liabe Brave
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The methodology change you're talking about wouldn't make a reversal impossible, it would only make it an urged-choice issue. It's precisely like Other OS removal on PS3: new games could include code that required connection to Live, and thus resurrection of the DRM OS. If you had an offline One, you could only stay offline by choosing not to play any new games.
There's no reason disc data would change at all. Contrary to what you imply, licenses were needed on the physical disc for the original One design as well. You'll recall the plan was that on initial install, the game is registered to your Live account (making all the remote-access features possible). But that particular disc would then need to become useless. Otherwise, you could lend the same disc to other people, who could install again on another machine...and another...and another....
Therefore, the disc itself had to have a unique license that was registered on Microsoft's servers, to prevent multiple installs. That's also why only certified retailers could take games in trade: they needed special connection to Microsoft's Live servers in order to unconsume the disc license, making it viable for resale (while removing it from your Live profile).
Allowing offline play means that the One now verifies against the disc in the drive, rather than against your online Live profile. But the license on the disc would always have been there.
I don't have those numbers. I agree that that would be an interesting metric. It's probably is also worth exploring the gameplay changes within a series so as to not be too harsh about Nintendo using Mario in the games that have quite different gameplay.
I don't know man, their seem to be a large contingent of Gaffers currently talking about Sony's incomplete line up of games (12 of 30 new IP's, games to be revealed at a later date, Naughty Dog Team 2 etc) as being a major reason for purchasing PS4 day one. Personal tastes and all that.
It makes no sense since you don't know their full lineups. Titan fall doesn't even release for another year.
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Ok...I'm buying a machine day one because I like the whole experience of new hardware when it is first released. I'll probably have some buyers remorse like I always do with any console purchase initially.
But if I'm going to dive in, then I'm basing it on what games I've seen teased so far, rather than Edge seemingly thinking I'll buy something based on tech specs or other such nonsense. It would be a much better headline if they said the PS4 had a stellar launch line up that blew anything away on the other machines. But they can't.
I've made my mind up. It's my own personal choice, and just because it seems the done thing to bash on MS won't change that. I will buy a PS4 as well at some point, but not on day one.
Are you sure they are arguing for day one when they do that?
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EDGE is doing something right if they get accused of bias for everyone at one time or another.
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No, I mean the basic concept of the machine. It's basically a more powerful PS3 (well, a more powerful Xbox 360 would perhaps be a more apt description) with some streaming features added on top (some of which are seemingly also coming to PS3 and Xbox 360). As far as I'm concerned, that's setting the bar too low for a next generation machine. I want deep integration of natural user interfaces with Siri-like functionality on the OS level, but especially in games, I want proper steamification of consoles (something we're not getting now that Microsoft's been forced to reverse their policies), I want better integration between gaming and non-gaming services, I want even more radical changes that neither Sony nor Microsoft are bringing us.
But it has to be said that there's one area in which PS4 seems to be the more progressive platform, and that's support for indie developers. Hopefully Microsoft catches up in that regard.
And that's why I said "currently". Who has more exclusive games in the works and when they are coming remains to be seen, but numbers alone mean nothing to me. Show your hand, and then we can talk.
Nothing has been proven whatsoever. It's not obvious from the games shown, we don't have confirmed final specifications, we don't have proper insight into all the ramifications of differing design philosophies (as someone with a bit of proper education in the field of computer system architectures, I know first hand that it's not as simple as comparing theoretical specs of separate components that make up the greater whole), and the developers who have spoken about the differences remain rather cagey and reserved on the subject.
First it was because of the games, now it's suddenly the experience. You're just buying it because you have a bias towards Microsoft, no shame in admitting it.
Are we ever really sure what other people mean on the intawebz??
you are right though, maybe not arguing for day one purchase, but it is certainly being used as a counter to Xbox's launch line up.
Well all day1 console purchases are emotional decisions, not rational ones.
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Maybe EDGE is reading GAF and just goes with whatever they perceive the flow is running towards.
90TilInfinity
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That would explain every edge thread where they are stoned for their game scores... Or not.
Even then, if you think about it, Quantic Break and Dead Rising 3 are, atm, some of the few games that really offer something that you will not get in any form on PS4. Forza 5 will undoubtedly be a good racing game, but PS4 will have racing games (and surely Gran Turismo at some point as well). Killer Instinct seems to be shaping up well even with Double Helix developing it, but it's not like PS4 won't have its share of fighting games (better ones, pretty likely, with the likes of the new Guilty Gear and whatever Capcom might be brewing).
I mean, yeah, there's Ryse, but that looks absolutely horrible gameplay-wise, and Crimson Dragon, and that wasn't looking too hot either.
Considering their 2012 and 2013 line-up they're still investing heavily in new IP on the PlayStation 3. Their retail line-up for these years has 10 new IP versus 13 existing. You could include Tokyo Jungle, The Unfinished Swan, Datura, Journey and Rain to make them even more new IP heavy.
New IP: Book of Spells, PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale, Starhawk, Sorcery, Diggs Nightcrawler, Dust 514, The Last of Us, Beyond: Two Souls, Puppeteer, Until Dawn.
Existing IP: Jak and Daxter Collection, Killzone Trilogy, LittleBigPlanet Karting, MLB 12: The Show, Ratchet & Clank Collection, Ratchet & Clank: Full Frontal Assault, Sports Champion 2, Twisted Metal, God of War: Ascension, MLB 13: The Show, Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time, Gran Turismo 6, Invizimals: The Lost Kingdom
I don't personally see what is needed to counter the Xbox's launch line up. But I also think the launch line-up is only good because of third-party games.
I think it's fine to argue against the Xbox first party by countering the Sony first party. Which has been more popular on NeoGAF the last few years based on the Game of the Year awards and how each publisher scored.
Keep in mind that I wouldn't argue against someone preferring Halo or Forza or Gears. Just the general perception.
Bwa-ahahahaha! This is hilarious!
Truly the Amirox FFXIII rant, or the "Square Enix shoot themselves in the foot" of our time!
Edge have always liked their tech too. They like the potential in a box or in a game as much as they like what we end up getting.
Does it really matter whether a game is 1st party or 3rd party? Both launch line ups have 3rd party titles in their midst, but do we only count the 1st party titles as benefiting the launch line-up?
Did you notice the 'Ps4 and Xbox one games special' tag above the headline in huge type? Considering the way newsagents overlap magazines, either left-to-right or top-to-bottom to save space, that's not exactly unimportant cover space. Plus the list of games featured in the bottom right includes games for all 3 consoles. The cover only reflects the lead feature which talks about hardware, why not wait until we see what their coverage of the games in the news and previews sections are like, I bet they will be written by a different author, rather than a magazine-wide shoeing of the Xbox. It'll be pretty obvious over time whether this heralds a magazine-wide editorial stance for the next 8 years, or whether its just one provocative cover and article aimed at selling magazines in the quiet summer period. My guess is the latter, magazine covers live for 30 days, and in 5 months time we'll all have forgotten about it when Edge decides to run a pro Xbox One cover because someone had a good idea for a feature to sell copies.
As for 'it totally depends on your taste in gaming and exclusives', seeing as the Xbox hardware DRM debacle was the biggest story in gaming this year, I'm not entirely sure that's true for everyone. Personally I couldn't care less about exclusives, the launch games are almost invariably the worst a library has to offer, most of the best games will be multi-platform, just like this gen, and if you have no particular preference for the launch exclusives either way, then the Ps4 is just much cheaper. The UK likes cheaper consoles as £429 is a huge amount of money to pay if you have zero interest in kinect, and arguably sunk the PS3 last time around. Even without DRM, the 'kinect vs £100' argument is a big one considering that we still haven't seen any real system-selling Kinect software. Where's the Xbox One's sports pack-in to justify its inclusion?
I don't really understand the posters suggesting what the editorial line of a publication should be, that all games journos should stick to facts with no opinion allowed in the features. If they were all the same and just reported facts, without any opinion in features at all, we would all just read the free ones online, which is why Edge's circulation is a fraction of what it was 15 years ago. Edge appears next to a dozen other print games mags in UK newsagents, its closest rival in terms of quality content is Imagine Publishing's GamesTM, and if you want to make people pay £5 for a monthly print/tablet edition, you need striking art and lengthy features that haven't already appeared all over the internet or in your rivals pages, which is why features editors look for angles on things. Lets wait until Thursday and see whether their article backs up the cover.
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