UFC 162: Silva vs. Weidman |OT| God or Fraud
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timetokill
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dance around like a bitch, get put down like a bitch
glad it finally happened. what an embarrassment and the most fitting addition to the anderson silva legacy
glad it finally happened. what an embarrassment and the most fitting addition to the anderson silva legacy
xemumanic
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I haven't read this thread much at all, but I'm pretty sure its filled with posts just like this one. And they're all correct.
xemumanic
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I dunno about that. It changes his legacy, at least to me, in hindsight. He was always doing this sort of thing, just to a much lesser degree. This was coming for some time.
As for the bodyshots, you're not the first one I've heard say this either. It makes a lot of sense.
strikeselect
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Machida eats Weidman for breakfast. Would be VERY interesting if the Dragon drops down to MW.
You guys got it all wrong. Silva just reached the warrior's ultimate goal, he has no more desire to fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1N0IvW6HyI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1N0IvW6HyI
FindMyFarms
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what was that prefight ufc show about the fighters called? it was their version of hbo's 24/7
Master Thespian
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Even if Anderson takes the rematch and wins, which it seems that he would based on how he performed before "when clowning kids goes wrong", his aura is mostly gone. Sort of how people aren't afraid of Tiger Woods how they used to be and won't beat themselves. Any wins he gets now will be purely on his fighting acumen.
abstract alien
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I don't think there is anything complicated about it. Silva is a showman and loved giving the crowd something to see. In the grand scheme of things, if getting caught once is a big deal considering how he had fought most of his other opponents in highlight reel fashion, then that alone says a lot. Dude loved not just going out there and skimming a win, but putting on a show.
I'm sure if he cared solely about grabbing a win like most other fighters, we would have seen a completely different Silva over the years.
I'm sure if he cared solely about grabbing a win like most other fighters, we would have seen a completely different Silva over the years.
anderson beat sonnen 2 times, okami, nate, franklin 2 times. Spider has better wins than fedor.
Can Crusher
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At the end of the 1st round Silva had the upper hand, Weidman was second guessing himself.
Silva took it too far, way too far. He wouldn't stop clowning and eating shots in the 2nd. He fought like a clown and lost like a clown.
Silva took it too far, way too far. He wouldn't stop clowning and eating shots in the 2nd. He fought like a clown and lost like a clown.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Congrats on Weidman to winning. He stuck to his gameplan and did not get thrown by Silva.
After the post fight interview and reflecting on his prefight actions I have to question his motivation.
During the pre-fight conference weren't we all a little shocked or confused that Silva wanted Weidman to hold the belt with him for photos?
I know Silva doesn't promote fights as well of some other fighters but he didn't even put on the "I am going to win" talk. It was a lot of everyone in the UFC is the best and what happens out there happens. I thought it was odd before the fight but he showed a similar sentiment in his post fight interview with Rogan. He did not act like he cared about the result of the fight. If you look at everything as a while I think you can make the case that Silva was more interested in a succession plan for the MW title than actually continuing his reign.
I with some here that I have never seen Silva "clown" as much in any other fight. Weidman was throwing some extended punches before the KO that Silva would usually counter but he didn't even try any offense. He through of some "feeler' kick and punches but nothing too serious.
I do think that Silva's antics make Weidman's win seem a less legitimate in a lot of fan's minds because he did not really dominate Silva like JJ did to Shogun. Anderson did not put his best fight out there (whether intentional or that he just got caught) and the fight left a lot to be desired. I would have loved to see Weidman overcome Anderson's skill set and have to weather through a storm of adversity. Silva was disrespectful and paid for it, and but I think Weidman has more to prove about his skills now than he did before the fight.
Post-fight presser:
To add to my earlier comments about Silva's state of mind, during the post fight conference Silva again acted liek he didn't care. Kept sayign Chris is the champ and we should respect him. From my couch is sounded like "Leave me alone, he is the champion, don't bother me anymore" His actions and demeanor through pre-fight to post fight seemed odd for any type of sport I have ever watched.
After the post fight interview and reflecting on his prefight actions I have to question his motivation.
During the pre-fight conference weren't we all a little shocked or confused that Silva wanted Weidman to hold the belt with him for photos?
I know Silva doesn't promote fights as well of some other fighters but he didn't even put on the "I am going to win" talk. It was a lot of everyone in the UFC is the best and what happens out there happens. I thought it was odd before the fight but he showed a similar sentiment in his post fight interview with Rogan. He did not act like he cared about the result of the fight. If you look at everything as a while I think you can make the case that Silva was more interested in a succession plan for the MW title than actually continuing his reign.
I with some here that I have never seen Silva "clown" as much in any other fight. Weidman was throwing some extended punches before the KO that Silva would usually counter but he didn't even try any offense. He through of some "feeler' kick and punches but nothing too serious.
I do think that Silva's antics make Weidman's win seem a less legitimate in a lot of fan's minds because he did not really dominate Silva like JJ did to Shogun. Anderson did not put his best fight out there (whether intentional or that he just got caught) and the fight left a lot to be desired. I would have loved to see Weidman overcome Anderson's skill set and have to weather through a storm of adversity. Silva was disrespectful and paid for it, and but I think Weidman has more to prove about his skills now than he did before the fight.
Post-fight presser:
To add to my earlier comments about Silva's state of mind, during the post fight conference Silva again acted liek he didn't care. Kept sayign Chris is the champ and we should respect him. From my couch is sounded like "Leave me alone, he is the champion, don't bother me anymore" His actions and demeanor through pre-fight to post fight seemed odd for any type of sport I have ever watched.
onadesertedisland
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Fighters are never the same after getting lit up like Anderson did. I doubt he will return with any where near the level he demonstrated years before. He's almost 40, he got rocked and likely concussed.
The reason people don't like him is not because he isn't a good fighter, it's because he's disrespectful. Remember when Hendo destroyed Bisping? Yeah, like that.
The reason people don't like him is not because he isn't a good fighter, it's because he's disrespectful. Remember when Hendo destroyed Bisping? Yeah, like that.
skyfinch
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I dont think the crowd wants to see his clowning.
Once you get knocked out once, you are never the same again. Factor in his age and his fighting style and it was only a matter of time.
Lol, where is chars?
The Wraith
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People keep doubting Weidman. He feeds off this shit. He knocked The Spiders head off and I have ZERO doubt he will do this shit again. I think the only real threat he has is Belfort if he fucks him up I see him having a long and prosperous title defense record.
and NEW CHAMPION OF THE WORLD... I love hearing that shit.
and NEW CHAMPION OF THE WORLD... I love hearing that shit.
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I dont think he was second guessing
I think he was anticipating Silva getting angry for the take down and start throwing alot. He did the smart thing psychologically and got more defensive, cuz he won the round.
The very best thing that happened that fight was that Weidman did not let Silva get into his head. Not once, even when Weidman was striking, did he leave himself unprotected for Silva to counter. In fact, it looked like the take down got into Silva a bit, cuz barely threw any combinations.
and lol at the tinfoil hats in this thread
Jest Chillin
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I'm just answering you straight up rather than a one shot tongue in cheek post. If that's too serious, then I really don't know what to say.
When the crux of your point is to claim that Weidman's gameplan went out the window and every strike before the KO was ineffective... yeah that's saying that he got a lucky punch without using the exact words. On the other side of it, you're trying to talk about how effective the showboating was that got Silva knocked out. That's the epitome of downplaying the loss as a fluke.
Weidman is a well rounded fighter. Just as likely to sub or ko an opponent as he is to grind out a decision. He said himself that his strat was to mix it up. Don't see a reason not to believe him.
I wasn't in this thread talking Weidman up a ton before the fight (though I was in the FOR column) and I'm not in here saying his reign will last anywhere near Silva's. Just pointing out that he earned the win with good training, good coaching, and good fight IQ.
abstract alien
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I honestly don't agree with this at all. The man gets cheered too much. I honestly don't ever hear anything negative about him until I get on the internet.
plagiarize
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Yeah. Roy Nelson gets knocked out all the time now.
Can Crusher
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Silva would have to have a whole lot of fire in him to come back from this imo. And the way he's been talking, the fire is gone.
Getting knocked out once doesn't mean now you are going to get knocked out again, but it does mean that unless you have a whole lot of fire in you like Cain Velasquez has, you ain't getting back on that horse again.
It could either turn into a great story of a champion coming back, or just another fighter who lost his drive.
Getting knocked out once doesn't mean now you are going to get knocked out again, but it does mean that unless you have a whole lot of fire in you like Cain Velasquez has, you ain't getting back on that horse again.
It could either turn into a great story of a champion coming back, or just another fighter who lost his drive.
abstract alien
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One thing I'm not understanding is how Silva is disrespectful. Taunting someone isn't disrespectful, it's as much of a tactic as anything else. He has always shown a great amount of love for both the sport as well as the fans (save Maia) from what I've seen. What has he done to disrespect the sport? Honest question.
ShinobiFist
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Silva deserve to lose, big time. He been getting away with that shit for to long, just like the Diaz brothers and their "gangsta" taunts that eventaully caught up to them. But can you blame him for doing it? No. Why stop doing something that has been working for so long? My problem with this fight is Silva's tone after the fight. Reminded me of the final years of Mike Tyson's career.
When Mike said "I'm just fighting to feed my kids, I don't care about the sport. Haven't for years. Just doing this to feed my family" That's what I gather from Silva from his closing comments. About bringing his family to the U.S. now and you'll get 10 more fights out of me, but no title matches. I just hope in his final years in the UFC he doesn't disrespect the sport just for a pay check. Just like Mike Tyson.
When Mike said "I'm just fighting to feed my kids, I don't care about the sport. Haven't for years. Just doing this to feed my family" That's what I gather from Silva from his closing comments. About bringing his family to the U.S. now and you'll get 10 more fights out of me, but no title matches. I just hope in his final years in the UFC he doesn't disrespect the sport just for a pay check. Just like Mike Tyson.
AranhaHunter
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This line that AS uses that he does this antics and keeps his hands down to try to get his opponent to make a mistake is bullshit to make it seem like he's not trying to clown his opponent. He didn't do that in pride, he didn't do that in Cage Rage, he didn't do that in early UFC days against Leben and Franklin 1 and he didn't do it against someone with known KO power in Dan Henderson and James Irvin. I also don't remember him doing that against Belfort either. He started showboating against Franklin 2, Leites, Maia, Griffin, Okami. He felt the punches from Weidman and didn't feel he could hurt him, so he started his antics. That shit caught up to him in spades though.
He paid the price for being an arrogant, disrespectful guy in the cage who underestimated his opponent's power. If he ever fights again, I think he'll have a little bit more respect for his opponent's power, even if the first punch or two don't do much to him.
I agree with the folks saying that Silva has lost the drive and that he doesn't have it in him anymore.
He paid the price for being an arrogant, disrespectful guy in the cage who underestimated his opponent's power. If he ever fights again, I think he'll have a little bit more respect for his opponent's power, even if the first punch or two don't do much to him.
I agree with the folks saying that Silva has lost the drive and that he doesn't have it in him anymore.
It's still unbelievable that people are making excuses for Silva. The guy got caught acting like a doofus as he has always done in many fights, he got humiliated and got knocked out. It has nothing to do with age, or how he wasn't taking the fight seriously, or the fight was fixed or he lost the drive to win. It was surprising that Rogan and the other commentator were also in denial and saying that the pressure of being champion is immense and now it was off Silva's shoulders, even both of them couldn't believe it happened. Silva got punched hard in one of his clown dances and it happened to be a hard punch and he got hit and went down and he was gone.
If that didn't happen and Silva coasted to the 5 round win people for sure wouldn't be saying that the real Silva didn't show up and age did not catch up to him. One punch changed Silva's legacy, it doesn't matter how long he reigned and what he did as champion and he showed that he's just another low IQ fighter who has garbage in his brain. No serious fighter would be dancing and showboating like a fool in so many of his fights and it finally caught up to him to last night.
The lesson here is: Fighting isn't a game, take it seriously since you can die at any time.
If that didn't happen and Silva coasted to the 5 round win people for sure wouldn't be saying that the real Silva didn't show up and age did not catch up to him. One punch changed Silva's legacy, it doesn't matter how long he reigned and what he did as champion and he showed that he's just another low IQ fighter who has garbage in his brain. No serious fighter would be dancing and showboating like a fool in so many of his fights and it finally caught up to him to last night.
The lesson here is: Fighting isn't a game, take it seriously since you can die at any time.
He isn't disrespectful towards the sport but he definitely was towards Wieldman. Their is a big difference between dodging punches and countering and doing what Silva did last night. He took it too far last night more so than in other fights and paid the price for it. It was VERY OBVIOUS he was not taking his opponent seriously and 9/10 times you will get hurt.
Not sure how they could justify that. He was doing the same thing he always does. Thats his fight style.
BadAss2961
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Weidman looked pretty flustered to me in the 2nd. He had clearly slowed down to the point where he was tentative with his takedowns and forced into a standup game against Anderson. Once Anderson started landing those leg kicks and throwing upstairs, Weidman backed off to the point where he became a very defensive fighter -- which I doubt was part of the gameplan.
Anderson got too comfortable as the fight leaned his way. Clowned around and got caught. I usually hate the saying, but Anderson beat himself more than Weidman beat him.
onadesertedisland
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I think there is error in the debate that by default Anderson wins. Weidman controlled the first and adjusted in the second. If Anderson were the challenger his performance would be viewed differently. Instead his invincible aura akin to Tyson's made fighters lose before throwing a punch. Weidman fought a smart battle and frustrated Silva. Think when Holyfield got to Tyson. The wwf shtick doesn't always intimidate. That isn't to lessen any of Anderson's accomplishments. He just happens to be an old champion relying on slowing reflexes and mind games more so than sound fighting techniques.
crimzonflame
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Totally agree. If Anderson retires, I would probably stop watching MMA.
BronsonLee
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Yup all around. Silva's deal is: Feel the air in round 1, see how you do. If you're dangerous, he goes for the kill. If he thinks you're beneath him, here comes the clowning. That's pretty obvious. Look at how he handled Chael and Vitor. He wasn't fucking around there.
He got it wrong here, and it ended with a MASSACRE
abstract alien
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It didn't really appear all that different than what he normally does. The dude always does a damn Don Flamingo impression and it was the same last night I thought lol. How did he disrespect him, in comparison to his other fights I mean?
ToyMachine228
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That's what I was saying to my friends. Maybe the guy was just sick of all the hooplah and is ready to wind down his career. After that first exchange he seemed like he was ready to admit he lost already so he just starting doing nothing to try to show some bravado and act like he wasn't even trying. By the way he talked after the match he didn't seem to care either. Made it sound like he was ready to hang it up, despite denying it. I'm no UFC expert that's just what it seemed like to me. He knew he was toast so he tried to save face by acting non-chalant the way he did.
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It is a tactic the only time I have felt it was disrespect was in the Maia fight because of the stupid air guitar and then proceeding to run like a bitch for the last round and a half.
gregor7777
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Act like a douche, eventually get caught. This pleases me.
Still the GOAT though.
Perfect.
Still the GOAT though.
Perfect.
Ninja Scooter
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Yup I'm sure Dana White is ecstatic that one of his few actual draws lost in embarrassing fashion and now he will have to figure out how to sell a Chris Weidman/Andrew Craig PPV to the fight buying public. He's thrilled.
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