Cleveland: Missing teens Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight found alive

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Castro kept all three chained up in the basement but eventually letting "them free from the chains, to live upstairs on the second floor of Castro's Seymour Avenue home," the report states.

If they were allowed outside, it was only in the backyard and "they had to wear wigs and sunglasses and keep their heads down."
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What?
 
Punched her till she miscarried? Well, there are plenty of people who think she just miscarried nothing of note judging from the comments in abortion threads, sorry to say.
 
Meanwhile, Berry was walking home in April, 2003 from Burger King on West 110th Street and Lorain Avenue when Castro offered her a ride home, the report said.
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Fast food runs deep in this story.

whoops double post.
 
So these girls were in captivity for 10 years, and never once tried to escape.
I read the whole wikipedia entry on Jaycee Dugard and it didn't mention if she tried to, but she seemed to have much better conditions than these three poor girls, who were tied and shackled in this guy's basement/attic.

Jaycee Dugard eventually gave birth to two daughters, but to them the situation was "normal" in that they were born into it. She herself essentially bought into her captor's situation, at one point having an opportunity to tell a neighbor, but not doing so. She also accompanied him on his crazed trip to Berkeley without saying anything about her real name, or her captivity until the police were called in. So that situation seems like there was a lot of Stockholm Syndrome at work.

In this case, you have three people clearly held against their will, in chains and ropes. One beaten into miscarrying, all of them malnourished. They absolutely must have despised their captor with everything in them.

And yet they did not try to escape. Which means that this guy had such a perfect system of immediate and physical dominance in that house, that they felt they couldn't. Two locked doors in front of each other. The girls in what must have been essentially unbreakable restraints.

He must also have had some sort of weapon, because even if these are weak and malnourished women, three of them together probably could have taken him on. But they didn't, even when they were allowed into the yard etc...

One other thing that struck me as I'm reading this story. I find it really hard to believe that the community did not notice more here. One person mentioned seeing a woman with a baby through an attic window. Unless that window was boarded up later, that woman was probably seen previous and subsequent to that as well. I wonder if lived those days hoping that fleeting eye contact with a kid across the street, or a woman, or a man, might lead to their freedom. Or maybe they even signed H-E-L-P etc. and hoped someone would get it...
 
adversesolutions said:
So these girls were in captivity for 10 years, and never once tried to escape.
I read the whole wikipedia entry on Jaycee Dugard and it didn't mention if she tried to, but she seemed to have much better conditions than these three poor girls, who were tied and shackled in this guy's basement/attic.

Jaycee Dugard eventually gave birth to two daughters, but to them the situation was "normal" in that they were born into it. She herself essentially bought into her captor's situation, at one point having an opportunity to tell a neighbor, but not doing so. She also accompanied him on his crazed trip to Berkeley without saying anything about her real name, or her captivity until the police were called in. So that situation seems like there was a lot of Stockholm Syndrome at work.

In this case, you have three people clearly held against their will, in chains and ropes. One beaten into miscarrying, all of them malnourished. They absolutely must have despised their captor with everything in them.

And yet they did not try to escape. Which means that this guy had such a perfect system of immediate and physical dominance in that house, that they felt they couldn't. Two locked doors in front of each other. The girls in what must have been essentially unbreakable restraints.

He must also have had some sort of weapon, because even if these are weak and malnourished women, three of them together probably could have taken him on. But they didn't, even when they were allowed into the yard etc...

One other thing that struck me as I'm reading this story. I find it really hard to believe that the community did not notice more here. One person mentioned seeing a woman with a baby through an attic window. Unless that window was boarded up later, that woman was probably seen previous and subsequent to that as well. I wonder if lived those days hoping that fleeting eye contact with a kid across the street, or a woman, or a man, might lead to their freedom. Or maybe they even signed H-E-L-P etc. and hoped someone would get it...
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Try reading the story of Colleen Stan. Eventually she was given a little freedom but she was so scare of what could happen she didn't try to escape.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/sex_slave/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Colleen_Stan
 
I'm apologize in advance for this post not focusing on the victims but dat 911 tape from ramsey. so far I've seen it repeated on CNN 3 times and can't stop laughing.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/08/us/ohio-missing-women-found/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Castro would often test Berry, Knight and Georgina "Gina" DeJesus, the young women he'd allegedly abducted, by pretending to leave, said the law enforcement source. He'd return suddenly: If there were indications any of the women had moved, they'd be disciplined.
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=/.

The information was corroborated in a police report seen by CNN. When Berry went into labor, Ariel Castro, now charged with kidnapping and rape, grabbed captive Michelle Knight and told her to deliver the baby.

The baby was born into a plastic tub or pool to contain the afterbirth and amniotic fluid.

When the baby was born, it stopped breathing and everyone started screaming, the source said, citing the girl's account. Castro allegedly said, "if that baby dies, I'm going to kill you."
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Ugh.
 
ToxicAdam said:
Not surprising where the kidnappings occurred. Everything east of West 140th is pretty bleak.
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Are you serious dude? East of W 140th has been getting built up pretty well over the past 5-10 years. Thats the Lakewood area, I know a ton of young professionals there. Further East the Detroit Shoreway, Tremont, and Ohio City have gotten suburbanites to move downtown. A Lot of young families in those areas. I would say Clark and Fulton is the worst area on the west side and thats childs play compared to the East side in places like MLK Blvd., E93 and Woodland, E 55th and Scovill, and of course Euclid Ave by East Cleveland.
 
BillRiccio said:
Are you serious dude? East of W 140th has been getting built up pretty well over the past 5-10 years. Thats the Lakewood area, I know a ton of young professionals there. Further East the Detroit Shoreway, Tremont, and Ohio City have gotten suburbanites to move downtown. A Lot of young families in those areas. I would say Clark and Fulton is the worst area on the west side and thats childs play compared to the East side in places like MLK Blvd., E93 and Woodland, E 55th and Scovill, and of course Euclid Ave by East Cleveland.
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The kidnappings happened in 2002.
 
These girls went from being prisoners in some creepy sex perverts torture basement to being prisoners in their own homes thanks to the media. Really sad. I can't imagine in less than a week going from a basement I was unable to leave for 10 years to being mobbed by reporters and cameramen at their own homes. I'm sure all they want is to just be left alone for a while.
 
Kinyou said:
What's actually the reason to believe that his brothers were involved? Did they visit him a lot?
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They must have at least known something was up. Who doesn't at least question the sudden appearance of a young daughter? In the ten years or so did they never attempt to walk upstairs or to the basement? It's very very strange to me.
 
BillRiccio said:
Are you serious dude? East of W 140th has been getting built up pretty well over the past 5-10 years. Thats the Lakewood area, I know a ton of young professionals there. Further East the Detroit Shoreway, Tremont, and Ohio City have gotten suburbanites to move downtown. A Lot of young families in those areas. I would say Clark and Fulton is the worst area on the west side and thats childs play compared to the East side in places like MLK Blvd., E93 and Woodland, E 55th and Scovill, and of course Euclid Ave by East Cleveland.
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I haven't lived in the Cleveland area since 2001, so maybe it's changed. But the nice part of Lakewood was from Rocky River up until W 140, then it started to get run down with boarded up houses and shit. With the area past the W-117th really starting to look bleak.

But yea, you're right. Not as bad as the east side.
 
I wonder how long Ariel Castro lasts in prison. I can easily see a prison guard throwing away the key situation. But the high visibility of the case may save Ariel's life.
 
ToxicAdam said:
I haven't lived in the Cleveland area since 2001, so maybe it's changed. But the nice part of Lakewood was from Rocky River up until W 140, then it started to get run down with boarded up houses and shit.
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I remember going to that area for shows back then and it was kinda sketchy at night. defiantly has improved in the last 10 years.
 
entrement said:
Man, the Cleveland PD looks like utter fools. I wonder if heads are gonna roll.
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I hope they do, but sadly nothing will change.

I used to live in that area (Ohio City, Bridge and W25th) and I can personally say the police in that area are absolutely horrible. I'm not a troublemaker, or violent, but I was beaten by the cops twice within the two years I lived there. I was just standing there minding my own business.

Two of my friend's cars were stolen from in front of my house and the police did nothing. They basically implied that it probably wasn't going to get looked into because it would cost resources. They only spend resources on things that will bring in money to the police department because they need it so desperately (tickets, fines, DUI).

I have since moved to another state and I can say that I have met some really awesome police here, they are truly here to protect and serve. Cleveland on the other hand, is atrocious.
 
Dark FaZe said:
Is it really possible for the brothers to not be involved?
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I would think just asking the three women to identify them, perhaps from a line up, would be the key to determining whether to charge them. I have no idea about this stuff and the process, but that's sort of what I'm expecting to happen at some point.
 
ToxicAdam said:
I haven't lived in the Cleveland area since 2001, so maybe it's changed. But the nice part of Lakewood was from Rocky River up until W 140, then it started to get run down with boarded up houses and shit. With the area past the W-117th really starting to look bleak.

But yea, you're right. Not as bad as the east side.
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You are both kind of right. It's certainly not the projects or anything but at the same time neither the Castro house or the area from which the girls were abducted (105th& Lorain) is what anyone would call a nice neighborhood. Plenty of crime going on in both areas and both neighborhoods are pretty low-income.
 
vanhanz said:
I hope they do, but sadly nothing will change.

I used to live in that area (Ohio City, Bridge and W25th) and I can personally say the police in that area are absolutely horrible. I'm not a troublemaker, or violent, but I was beaten by the cops twice within the two years I lived there. I was just standing there minding my own business.
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Ha, I caught a 2nd district beatdown when I was 17.
 
A couple notes from the local news here in Cleveland:

* There are reports that Ariel Castro has confessed to just about everything.
* The prosecutor may seek the death penalty.
* One of the local reporters here who had become friends with the DeJesus family over the years spent time at their house yesterday and says Gina is remarkably upbeat.
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/14/cleveland-women-held-captive_n_3276651.html

Read the article at the source for the rest.

CLEVELAND, May 14 (Reuters) - Two of the women imprisoned in a Cleveland house in conditions described as similar to a prisoner of war camp suffered from severe malnutrition and will require long-term therapy for injuries such as hearing loss and joint and muscle damage, two sources with direct knowledge said.

The basement where the women were held had chains coming from the wall, and dog leashes attached to the ceiling, the sources said. The women were restrained with them and duct tape in "stress positions" for long periods that left them with bed sores and other injuries, according to two sources with direct knowledge of the investigation, who asked not to be identified.

Gina DeJesus and Michelle Knight were in worse condition than Amanda Berry when they emerged from at least nine years in captivity at the home of Ariel Castro, accused of kidnapping and raping the women. Castro appeared to treat Berry better than the other two, the sources said.

"There is a reason why you have only seen a picture of Amanda (Berry)," said one of the sources, referring to the condition of DeJesus and Knight.

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"It was like they were POWs (prisoners of war). They had bed sores from being left in positions for extended lengths of time," a source said.

All the bedroom doors in the house had padlocks on the outside and the rooms were spare with only a mattress on the floor. Their movement through the house was very restricted, the women have told authorities.

"If he left for long periods of time he would sometimes duct tape-up the women over all parts of their faces, even their eyes, only leaving an opening so they could breathe. Then he would just rip it off pulling off skin and hair," one of the sources said.

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Knight delivered Berry's daughter in a plastic children's swimming pool and gave the baby mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, the police report said.

"The closest parallel would be prisoners of war," Sherry Hamby, a psychology professor at the University of South, Sewanee, said of the girl's possible relationship.

Berry and DeJesus, along with Berry's daughter, have since been reunited with their families. Knight, who is estranged from some of her family members, according to her grandmother, has gone into seclusion.
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http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c4#/video/us/2013/05/14/ac-ridiculist-charles-ramsey-tattoo.cnn

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http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/10/justice/ohio-rescued-women-developments/index.html

The source said that while the writings included talk of suicide, that was just one aspect, and the suspect's history of abuse by family members was cited as justification for his actions.
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Abused by family members? Time to take a deep fucking look into his family history. Those people who assaulted him as a child are just as culpable in this heinous act in my view. Abuse begets abuse.


What a gross ass lawyer

“He is a human being, but what is offensive is that the women and the media want to demonize this man before they know the whole story, and I think it's unfair and not equitable.”
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What

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/...tro-plead-not-guilty-20130515,0,2334965.story
 
Featheredkitten said:
I guess if you're the public defender in a case like this, you have to grasp at straws. How much would that suck, if you draw the short straw and have to defend this guy?
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It's still lame. "The women and the media want to demonize this man before they know the whole story." So there's another side to being raped, beaten and held captive for 10 years?
 
Devolution said:
It's still lame. "The women and the media want to demonize this man before they know the whole story." So there's another side to being raped, beaten and held captive for 10 years?
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Hey i'm not denying that. Just thinking it must suck to have to be their defender...I think i'd quit being a lawyer if i drew a case like this.....then again, i'm not a lawyer now, nor will i be one in the future.
 
Did they have access to any TV or one-way (ie, TO them) communications? Have they only just found out who the President is, that the US invaded Iraq 10 years ago, that everyone now stares at their smartphone at the bus stop, etc? Aside from the obvious trauma of the situation itself, and now the media circus, they also have to face the impact of having effectively travelled forwards in time 10 years in the course of a day.
 
CyclopsRock said:
Did they have access to any TV or one-way (ie, TO them) communications? Have they only just found out who the President is, that the US invaded Iraq 10 years ago, that everyone now stares at their smartphone at the bus stop, etc? Aside from the obvious trauma of the situation itself, and now the media circus, they also have to face the impact of having effectively travelled forwards in time 10 years in the course of a day.
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Oh wow I hadn't thought of that.
 
Ferrio said:
I can't believe he's going with a Not Guilty plea....
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A sick fuck like that is going to strain the taxpayers for all they're worth. This is one of those times I'd like to skip the court system personally. I'd say immediate lethal injection but he deserves a lot worse.
 
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