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I once read that during WWII, Hitler deemed the the Japanese to have "honorary aryan" status, thanks to their racial homogeneity and their alliance with the Third Reich.

Now latinos have been deemed honorary crackers. History really does repeat itself.

 

[TheKaeptain]

It's funny how it's never pointed out except for when narratives need to be formed.

Gonzales becomes first Hispanic U.S. attorney general: http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/gonzales-becomes-first-hispanic-us-attorney-general

She's the first person from a Hispanic country to be name US AG. Nothing wrong there.

 

[Reeks]

I don't mean to derail but technically there are no races in H. Sapiens. We have no biological quantitative differences (phenotypes) between populations and subpopulations. Differences, sure, but not biologically only socially. Don't berate me. I'm not "color blind"... that's a denial of color, which can be even worse. But I am a scientist and hearing "race" debates is the equivalent of nails to a chalkboard to me. People, and the government, love to bat biological terms around willy nilly....

 

[Pastry]

But why is Zimmerman white, when he doesn't look white (ie. both skin tone and or facial features)?

Are you asking why he is being considered white? Or why he is a white latino (because his mom boned a white man)? As Tacitus said, it depends on the narrative people are trying to push.

 

[YoungHav]

I always find it funny when Latinos grow up white in their home country and get the privileges that come with that... then they move here and realize they're not white anymore. My wifes cousin was furious when someone told him he wasn't white.

 

[Chojin]

that was always my take on it.

Please tell me you've been to Europe.

Please tell me you aren't European and live in Europe.

You think everyone in Europe looks like one another? Europeans come in all shapes, sizes, facial features and skin tones.

 

[Mononoke]

I never thought about it that way. To me it was what do non-blacks think of black people. Like I've said before all Latinos are capable of racism/stereotypes just like anyone else. i grew up in the Bronx and I can tell you we had shitty names for black kids just like white people.

There are plenty of Latinos, especially ones from Caribbean who identify with their Spanish side and not their African heritage. No we're not white, I'm Dominican, but we can be just as racist as white people or anyone else.

I think anyone can be racist, regardless of the skin color. That's pretty much a given. The reason Zimmerman's skin color was being brought up wasn't just to bolster the claim he was racist. It was also being said, to bolster the claim that he fell under white privilege, and therefore was given a different verdict than what he would have, if his skin was darker.

 

[Zoe]

I don't mean to derail but technically there are no races in H. Sapiens. We have no biological quantitative differences (phenotypes) between populations and subpopulations. Differences, sure, but not biologically only socially. Don't berate me. I'm not "color blind"... that's a denial of color, which can be even worse. But I am a scientist and hearing "race" debates is the equivalent of nails to a chalkboard to me. People, and the government, love to bat biological terms around willy nilly....

What word do you suggest then?

 

[Parakeetman]

Its the stupid notion of "black & white" that racism still exists today.

 

[gutter_trash]

Jesus Christ.

Latinos are not a race, they are an over-generalized ethnic group because US law enforcement are lazy when profiling.

all of the above are Latinos

 

[Mononoke]

Are you asking why he is being considered white? Or why he is a white hispanic (because his mom boned a white man)? As Tacitus said, it depends on the narrative people are trying to push.

Do white Hispanic's fall under white privilege?

 

[besada]

I thought that was Hispanic? Can anyone clarify the distinction between the two (I think Hispanic is Spanish speaking, which is why it doesn't denote a race?)? I'm quite ignorant on those categorizations.

Latino and Hispanic are both ethnolinguistic identifiers, not racial identifiers. Latino means of Latin American extraction, while Hispanic means of Spanish extraction (or sometimes belonging to a Spanish-speaking country).

And none of it has anything to do with skin color. Virtually all people in Latin America are a mix of Spanish and Native American at this point, along with considerable mixtures of African.

 

[Wiktor]

Hahaha, so Native Americans are White too? And East Indians are Black?

East Indians would still fall under white.
Native americans have it worst, because when that categorization was born nobody in Europe knew they existed. So they later tried to label the mas redskins. Poor sods had no Noah heritage though

 

[inky]

I don't mean to derail but technically there are no races in H. Sapiens. We have no biological quantitative differences (phenotypes) between populations and subpopulations. Differences, sure, but not biologically only socially. Don't berate me. I'm not "color blind"... that's a denial of color, which can be even worse. But I am a scientist and hearing "race" debates is the equivalent of nails to a chalkboard to me. People, and the government, love to bat biological terms around willy nilly....

Believe me, people with humanistic backgrounds (students of humanism) feel the same way. The fact that racial components keep being discussed like this is pretty disheartening going forward.

 

[LiK]

Excuse my ignorance but I always associated Latinos with people who speak Spanish, not based on skin color.

 

[TheKaeptain]

Please tell me you've been to Europe.

Please tell me you aren't European and live in Europe.

You think everyone in Europe looks like one another? Europeans come in all shapes, sizes, facial features and skin tones.

Yep.

 

[IceCold]

I don't mean to derail but technically there are no races in H. Sapiens. We have no biological quantitative differences (phenotypes) between populations and subpopulations. Differences, sure, but not biologically only socially. Don't berate me. I'm not "color blind"... that's a denial of color, which can be even worse. But I am a scientist and hearing "race" debates is the equivalent of nails to a chalkboard to me. People, and the government, love to bat biological terms around willy nilly....

True. Race is basically the equivalent of the word breed for animals. Dog, horse, cat breeds etc.

 

[Karkador]

Do white Hispanic's fall under white privilege?

Some, maybe

 

[Xdrive05]

I once read that during WWII, Hitler deemed the the Japanese to have "honorary aryan" status, thanks to their racial homogeneity and their alliance with the Third Reich.

Now latinos have been deemed honorary crackers. History really does repeat itself.

lol why is the S and the K in red?

 

[Pastry]

Do white Hispanic's fall under white privilege?

I know white hispanics that have certainly benefited from white privilege. But they also don't have hispanic names so at a glance you would never know they were hispanic.

 

[Mononoke]

Some, maybe

Really? Was this what you believed prior to this trial?

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

My father is black in color, is he not to be considered black because he's from Costa Rica?

And I'm white. Very white if you look at my skin.

 

[Jaleel]

No. It is about how you SELF IDENTIFY. If an Arab-American considers themselves black, the census doesn't care. If they consider themselves white, the census doesn't care. They ONLY acted on the term "Hispanic" because it really doesn't mean much.

Well I would identify myself as looking Arab, however, if I did write that in the "Some other race" section they would still considered me white due to how the government views race. Here:

The United States Census Bureau defines White people as those "having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. It includes people who reported “White” or wrote in entries such as Irish, Polish, German, Swedish, Italian, Dutch, Ukrainian, Portuguese, Czech, Latvian, Greek, Near Easterner, or Arab."

 

[Avixph]

I never thought about it that way. To me it was what do non-blacks think of black people. Like I've said before all Latinos are capable of racism/stereotypes just like anyone else. i grew up in the Bronx and I can tell you we had shitty names for black kids just like white people.

There are plenty of Latinos, especially ones from Caribbean who identify with their Spanish side and not their African heritage. No we're not white, I'm Dominican, but we can be just as racist as white people or anyone else.

Only 16% of Dominicans are White, 11% are Black, and 73% are mixed/Mullato

Hahaha, so Native Americans are White too? And East Indians are Black?

No.

 

[massoluk]

Hahaha, so Native Americans are White too? And East Indians are Black?

Native Americans and Indians are yellow people. Again, where I came from. Not yellow yellow, but group with "yellow"

 

[Doc Holliday]

I think anyone can be racist, regardless of the skin color. That's pretty much a given. The reason Zimmerman's skin color was being brought up wasn't just to bolster the claim he was racist. It was also being said, to bolster the claim that he fell under white privilege, and therefore was given a different verdict than what he would have, if his skin was darker.

I think he fell under "killing an obvious thug" privilege

Only 16% of Dominicans are White, 11% are Black, and 73% are mixed/Mullato

No.

Not sure what this has to do with what I wrote. Care to explain?

 

[gutter_trash]

Do white Hispanic's fall under white privilege?

Yes actually, in their respective countries they do.

turn on Mexican TV channels and notice that the weatherman and newscasters are white and the actors playing in most commercials are white.

 

[Mononoke]

I know white hispanics that have certainly benefited from white privilege. But they also don't have hispanic names so at a glance you would never know they were hispanic.

Fair enough. I'm not trying to say one way or the other. I was just asking a question here. I didn't know Hispanics fell under white privilege, if their skin is more on the light side. Being a Hispanic, I would not associate George at all with a white person if I saw him at a glance.

But at the end of the day, his name is George, and he's half white. So maybe he does.

Yes actually, in their respective countries they do.

turn on Mexican TV channels and notice that the weatherman and newscasters are white and the actors playing in most commercials are white.

Was talking more about the U.S. where this trial took place.

 

[Toxi]

What word do you suggest then?

I think (s)he's just trying to give us some perspective here. Race is really only a social construct based on physical appearance. Trying to find biological justifications here is silly because race isn't a biological concept.

 

[EatinOlives]

So the percentage of white Americans is growing then? Because that goes against everything we've seen in the news in the last several years.

There's a thing in Texas now that Hispanics are predicted to take over as the majority population, potentially turning Texas into a swing state. There's explicit and direct comparison between "white" voters and "Hispanic" voters.

Not to mention this:

Nation's first female Hispanic governor elected:
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2010/11/02/5398223-nations-first-female-hispanic-governor-elected

Obama to nominate Sonia Sotomayor - first Hispanic - for Supreme Court:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/05/67273777/1#.Ue7QRo1wp8E

Zimmerman... white dude.


Nope, no agenda there.

Needless to say, it's silly to turn around and claim Hispanic = White when the reality is nowhere near that. Yes, it's convenient to claim Zim is white for the purposes of the narrative around the case now but for the people who have been Hispanic their entire lives this sudden change in classification is pretty amusing.

Show Zim's picture in the OP to any person completely unfamiliar with the case and there's no chance he'll be labeled "White".

 

[Thug Waffle]

But tons of Latinos have mixed Spanish ancestral roots.

reporting in

 

[gutter_trash]

Was talking more about the U.S. where this trial took place.

don't know, check Charlie Sheene's drunk driving police reports to see what ''race'' they profiled him by

 

[Mononoke]

I think he fell under "killing an obvious thug" privilege



Not sure what this has to do with what I wrote.

Personally, I think this was more of a gun issue than a race issue. I think a lot of people actually believe he had the right to defend himself in a brawl with a gun. It's a scary thought. But we are in a time where our gun laws are coming under heavy defense. And I think a lot of people believe that had they been getting beat down (not saying he was) they too would have used their gun to defend themselves.

 

[Wiktor]

I don't mean to derail but technically there are no races in H. Sapiens. We have no biological quantitative differences (phenotypes) between populations and subpopulations. Differences, sure, but not biologically only socially. Don't berate me. I'm not "color blind"... that's a denial of color, which can be even worse. But I am a scientist and hearing "race" debates is the equivalent of nails to a chalkboard to me. People, and the government, love to bat biological terms around willy nilly....

Isn't race supposed to be solely about looks ,not biological? That's how it is with many animals, at least those who take part in various competitions. I doubt there's much difference genetically between persian cat and angora, but they're considered different race.

 

[Karkador]

Really? Was this what you believed prior to this trial?

I don't think "white privilege" is a on/off condition. A white Hispanic can get a pass from their skin color to some degree, probably, while not getting a pass from the cultural/historical/familial aspects of white privilege

 

[Pastry]

Fair enough. I'm not trying to say one way or the other. I was just asking a question here. I didn't know Hispanics fell under white privilege, if their skin is more on the light side. Being a Hispanic, I would not associate George at all with a white person if I saw him at a glance.

But at the end of the day, his name is George, and he's half white. So maybe he does.

Yeah it depends. I've certainly never benefited from white privilege but I have first cousins that look nothing like me (they have fair skin, light hair, green eyes and a German last name) that most definitely have at some point or another.

 

[maxxpower]

Yes actually, in their respective countries they do.

turn on Mexican TV channels and notice that the weatherman and newscasters are white and the actors playing in most commercials are white.

Yep. If you watch a Mexican TV soap you would swear you were watching an American TV station.

 

[Mononoke]

The fact that this is a legit question makes my heart sink. You guys are THAT blind to what goes on in other countries?

Actually I'm not, I was talking specifically about the U.S. where this trial was taking place. Was not talking about Hispanics around the world. Sorry for not clarifying when I asked that question. Obviously the landscape for white privilege is a lot different here than other countries.

 

[Wafflecakes]

Well I would identify myself as looking Arab, however, if I did write that in the "Some other race" section they would still considered me white due to how the government views race. Here:

If you wrote it in. They would be fine with it.

Arab still tends to have a well defined demographic meaning.

 

[Avixph]

Not sure what this has to do with what I wrote. Care to explain?

Nothing I just wanted to post it.

 

[Toxi]

Needless to say, it's silly to turn around and claim Hispanic = White when the reality is nowhere near that.

Thank God nobody's actually claiming that.

Hispanic relates to geographic origin, not physical appearance.

 

[TheOohChild]

Louis CK's father is Mexican, but I've never heard him talked about as a white latino comedian

 

[TheKaeptain]

Race in the context of this thread is being used for sociological reasons not biological.



EDIT: Quoted the wrong dude.

 

[Chojin]

So GUYS. Seriously. Is Charlie Sheen white or not?

 

[Zoe]

Perfect example.

Is it? His father is (half) Spanish. He wasn't from Mexico or Latin America.

 

[Infinite]

I once read that during WWII, Hitler deemed the the Japanese to have "honorary aryan" status, thanks to their racial homogeneity and their alliance with the Third Reich.

Now latinos have been deemed honorary crackers. History really does repeat itself.

http://imgur.com/eCt5Aqn.jpg[/QUOTE]

Godwin's law

 

[Avixph]

So GUYS. Seriously. Is Charlie Sheen white or not?

Yes he is White Hispanic.

 

[gutter_trash]

So GUYS. Seriously. Is Charlie Sheen white or not?

are Spaniards white? Is that your question? His grandfather is from Spain

 

[JeTmAn81]

Because it has never been a color.

the US simplifies it to hispanic white and non-hispanic white.

Do you prefer this system?

This seems...unnecessarily granular.

 

[TheKaeptain]

Is it? His father is (half) Spanish. He wasn't from Mexico or Latin America.

He's Hispanic and White. So white-Hispanic.