World of Warcraft down to 7.7M subscribers (600K decline in 3 months)
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SenatorBot
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I can't make a new thread but it seems Activision Blizzard is buying themselves out of vivendi.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/26/activision-blizzard-vivendi-buyout/
Do you think this will have some effect on WoW?
http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/26/activision-blizzard-vivendi-buyout/
Do you think this will have some effect on WoW?
And those only live within the us and only pay the standard ammount every month? Keep dreaming. Subs are cheap in the dozen[10-11€] and asia likely pays for time not a month at a time.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Then tell me what MMO one can look forward to that has a chance of creating something similar
I am still waiting for the Fantasy equivalent of EVE online. Without jumping around in space.
Gotta admit, that was fun. But a lot of those memories are pure nostalgia though. WoW certainly wasn't better back then.
Especially World PvP and local server PvP (24+ hours AV) was fun though. You had actual rivals back then. You knew certain alliance players as a hordie. These days, players you meet in PvP are random shades, people you will probably never see again. There's no sense of rivalry like in the old days.
Also, never forget the mount patch. Did anyone else buy the skill cheap as fuck before it happened? They basically made the expensive mounts cheap and the very cheap skill became very expensive, that was funny for people who bought the skill cheap.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Not gonna happen to me no matter how good MMOs will become. It's all about the timing; WoW came out during a time when me and my friends needed it the most. Shit was just perfect.Then tell me what MMO one can look forward to that has a chance of creating something similar
I remember, the day before the game was launched, I slept to Stormwinds theme. I literally had it on repeat with my headphones on. God damn.
Pretty sure there was an article somewhere which said they restarted development in Titan...so it may be a while before we hear anything more.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertc...rms-project-titan-undergoing-massive-changes/
A bit surprised, I'd have thought development would've been full steam for a late 2014 or early 2015 release, doesn't seem that way.
This pretty much, a lot of people started the game when they were like 13-16.
They're all 20+ now.
For people like me, who played WoW during their transition from young teen to adulthood, it will always have a place in the heart. It was such a magical experience. It's part of your life, unlike most videogames you tend to forgot about eventually.
This! World pvp was my world of warcrack! If they released a vanilla server I would resub with the quickness
pretty much this, i remember walking from tanaris to orgrimmar at level 40, cuz Thrall was in danger, i died a lot, but it was the right thing to do xD
Gotdamn - Those productions values =P Love it
Well this would explain the sudden introduction of an in game cash shop. They probably figure that the people that are still playing are going to be willing to drop a hell of a lot more than the $15/mo on the game, and they are sadly probably right. I also wouldn't be surprised to see a free to play option alongside the sub option within the year.
I've got two 60-day cards stashed, but I can't bring myself to play right now.
A disagree with a lot of decisions this company has made recently. In my eyes they have become fairly anti-consumer. Auction House in Diablo 3 is disgusting, cosmetic items in WoW less damaging to gameplay, but still an insult to players awaiting oft-promised, long-delayed updates to character models. No doubt these are being held back for the new expansion, while our sub fees go towards creating expensive vanity items for the store.
Blizzard/Activision, please get your priorities right. Too much obvious milking of consumers going on, not enough listening to customer feedback.
Vanilla WoW was magical. Yes, I know the game is old-hat now and should be expected to lose subs anyway, but surely it can't just be me who believes that Blizzard is not the company it once was. They can recapture that magic, but only by remembering that not every decision should be influenced by ££££££.
A disagree with a lot of decisions this company has made recently. In my eyes they have become fairly anti-consumer. Auction House in Diablo 3 is disgusting, cosmetic items in WoW less damaging to gameplay, but still an insult to players awaiting oft-promised, long-delayed updates to character models. No doubt these are being held back for the new expansion, while our sub fees go towards creating expensive vanity items for the store.
Blizzard/Activision, please get your priorities right. Too much obvious milking of consumers going on, not enough listening to customer feedback.
Vanilla WoW was magical. Yes, I know the game is old-hat now and should be expected to lose subs anyway, but surely it can't just be me who believes that Blizzard is not the company it once was. They can recapture that magic, but only by remembering that not every decision should be influenced by ££££££.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
all dat quality
!There is no way I'd ever want to go back to Vanilla WoW. The constant grinding, not being able to raid unless we were in huge guilds, poor loot and nothing to do for those who didn't raid. Yeah...those were great days. I was so glad that whole model died.
Though, I did enjoy the AQ40 event. The server broke...many times. Heh, heh.
Any time news of decrease in subscribers for this game comes out, everyone on WoW forums chimes in with their own reasons and they are usually always from their own point of view (naturally). A hardcore raider will tell you its because the game has gotten too easy and casual, a PvPer will tell you that it is because the game is too imbalanced and not enough focus on PvP is the reason, a casual player will tell you it is because the game is too difficult and there arent enough things to do for casuals etc etc.
One of the things that goes beyond game being too easy/too hard/too casual/too hardcore or whatever else players are saying that usually contradicts one another is that World of Warcraft has indoctrinated the players. In the sense that, they can just buy the newest expansion, play for 1-2 months and be done with it, there is no reason to continue playing and working on progression + gear, when a new expansion is coming anyway. Why play right now? Why devote hours to achieve something when in November you will see the next expansion at Blizzcon, making the game right now seem irrelevant. For fun? Well a large fun factor in MMOs is getting better loot and achieving new milestones for yourself, your guild or your arena team. That can be difficult to get motivated for when you know a new expansion is right around the corner.
This happened before in Everquest and many other MMOs before WoW, but for much of the WoW player base it was their first MMO, so it really mattered that you had good gear back then, because people had not witnessed what a *reset* really meant in a MMO. Even if you crave WoW right now, most people would just wait til the next expansion and jump in on the *reset*.
TLDR: There is a diminishing returns in playing WoW (and most MMO's) you get most out of the game just leveling the first month of the expansion and then quitting. Instead of spending months on end farming gear for...no real reason unless you care about raid progression.
One of the things that goes beyond game being too easy/too hard/too casual/too hardcore or whatever else players are saying that usually contradicts one another is that World of Warcraft has indoctrinated the players. In the sense that, they can just buy the newest expansion, play for 1-2 months and be done with it, there is no reason to continue playing and working on progression + gear, when a new expansion is coming anyway. Why play right now? Why devote hours to achieve something when in November you will see the next expansion at Blizzcon, making the game right now seem irrelevant. For fun? Well a large fun factor in MMOs is getting better loot and achieving new milestones for yourself, your guild or your arena team. That can be difficult to get motivated for when you know a new expansion is right around the corner.
This happened before in Everquest and many other MMOs before WoW, but for much of the WoW player base it was their first MMO, so it really mattered that you had good gear back then, because people had not witnessed what a *reset* really meant in a MMO. Even if you crave WoW right now, most people would just wait til the next expansion and jump in on the *reset*.
TLDR: There is a diminishing returns in playing WoW (and most MMO's) you get most out of the game just leveling the first month of the expansion and then quitting. Instead of spending months on end farming gear for...no real reason unless you care about raid progression.
I know the reason I stopped playing was because I didn't agree with the general direction Blizzard was taking the game. Too much focus on "the next big raid" and "the next big feature" with little regards to how it integrates in with the current expansion. No real attempts to make things cohesive. Best shown off by how piss easy Pandaria is, and how wacky the difficulty of the raids was.
There was a few other reasons I left too. My realm was dying, guilds were falling apart left and right, and the semi-hardcore raiding scene was disappearing. But they were all side effects of the direction Blizzard was going in. Symptoms of a bigger, more fundamental issue.
There was a few other reasons I left too. My realm was dying, guilds were falling apart left and right, and the semi-hardcore raiding scene was disappearing. But they were all side effects of the direction Blizzard was going in. Symptoms of a bigger, more fundamental issue.
sleeping_dragon
Banned
LOL is the new meta! Long live LOL!
Good and hopefully it continues to go down, game is one of the biggest scams on the market.
They charge you for the box
They charge you for expansions
They charge you for name changes
They charge you for realm changes
They charge you for faction changes
They charge you for appearance changes
They charge alot for microtransactions
Never barely release content patches (10 months of nothing and several other months of nothing between expansions)
And this is all on top of making people pay $15 a month. So why isn't this game F2P yet? Isn't the excuse people use for monthly fees is for content and server fees? My ass the monthly fee is for content.
They charge you for the box
They charge you for expansions
They charge you for name changes
They charge you for realm changes
They charge you for faction changes
They charge you for appearance changes
They charge alot for microtransactions
Never barely release content patches (10 months of nothing and several other months of nothing between expansions)
And this is all on top of making people pay $15 a month. So why isn't this game F2P yet? Isn't the excuse people use for monthly fees is for content and server fees? My ass the monthly fee is for content.
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BrokenEchelon
Banned
They're still making money off the $15/mo model. At this point they're pretty much the only ones, save for maybe EVE.
WoW is a corpse at this point. Mists of Pandara was the first expansion to fail to generate any increase at all in sub counts. The best it did was hold them steady. That's pathetic, and deservedly so for such a piece of shit expansion.
They'll milk subs for as long as possible before they finally launch F2P, and that will keep the game going for another five years easily. Plenty of cash left to drain from that husk of a game.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
They'll probably combine it with an expansion release so it'll be huge.
Muku
Member
I see no wrong with these two. You could easily roll another character if you want to change factions. Though to be honest never thought they should have offered that as an option.
Appearance changes can be done in game on your character for gold. Unless you are referring to something else?
This was my guild on our first rag kill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ey9OVcP3_Y
i cringe when i listen to it now, lol. but WoW was best during vanilla.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ey9OVcP3_Y
i cringe when i listen to it now, lol. but WoW was best during vanilla.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Titan is dead in the water. It was in development hell for at least five years and has been delayed to 2016 at the earliest. That's nearly a decade in development at best, and Jay Wilson is probably working on it which pretty much ruins the chances that it will resemble anything near quality at this point.
I guarantee you they'll abandon it completely and do the safe thing: WoW 2. Updated engine, moves the story some years into the future (or maybe even into the past, around the War of the Ancients) and money will rain from the sky while Blizzard continues to do the least amount of work possible.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
You can only change your earrings, hair color/style. Not your face/eyes etc :3
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Shit gave me goosebumps! Good job
!WoW Classic - Ulduar was awesome, the Grand Crusader raid was the beginning of the decline
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Agreed. Fall of the Lich King was a glimmer of hope, but it's like Blizzard died along with Arthas.
If this makes their development process become somewhat sane, then I kinda hope they do take the safe route. Ever since the near end of Wrath, WoW's design philosophy seemed to change on every patch, and it was fucking annoying too.
I thought Jeffrey Kaplan, the Lead Designer of Classic/BC who left the WoW team after Sunwell release is the Lead Designer of titan?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Kaplan_(game_designer)
I hope Titan will be something new, no Destiny/WoW clone and no F2P / Cash Shop stuff.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
I'm sure he is, but Jay is off working on an unannounced project, and I somehow doubt they need his help on StarCraft, and he got booted from the Diablo team. That pretty much leaves only Warcraft (i.e. WoW2) or Titan.
My best time with WoW was in 2004 to wrath. I had raided so mutch during that time and TBC was not only hardcore. But hard very very hard,raiding was something special. Yes I played cataclysm and mop. They did a amazing job in MoP but when I hit level 90 I was done really. At this point I am more looking towards Wildstar.
Shit gave me goosebumps! Good job
lol. thanks. of course being 8 years older now. i probably wouldnt have acted like that =p
Blizzard said this was going to happen last quarter.
And again, most of the subscriber losses are probably from Chinese players dropping WoW to play some new Free to play MMO.
So, while every message board on the internet sings Doom and Gloom for WoW it will most likely make around $1 billion in revenue this year(which Vivendi will immediately take).
And again, most of the subscriber losses are probably from Chinese players dropping WoW to play some new Free to play MMO.
So, while every message board on the internet sings Doom and Gloom for WoW it will most likely make around $1 billion in revenue this year(which Vivendi will immediately take).
They will still go strong for a while, and eventually can go F2P if they wanted. I might even hop back in at that point.
Looking back on my personal gaming history, I barely played any major releases from 2005 to 2008 or so, which is when I was at my heaviest WoW play. From 2008 up to Cataclysm I started buying the expansion, getting to max level, and canceling. I finally got off the WoW train completely with Mists of Pandaria, which has made it easier to never resub since I don't own the newest expansion.
WoW really was a force of nature in the gaming industry, and seeing its decline is actually a little sad. It's amazing how many companies tried to capture a piece of its success and were utterly decimated by their efforts.
Looking back on my personal gaming history, I barely played any major releases from 2005 to 2008 or so, which is when I was at my heaviest WoW play. From 2008 up to Cataclysm I started buying the expansion, getting to max level, and canceling. I finally got off the WoW train completely with Mists of Pandaria, which has made it easier to never resub since I don't own the newest expansion.
WoW really was a force of nature in the gaming industry, and seeing its decline is actually a little sad. It's amazing how many companies tried to capture a piece of its success and were utterly decimated by their efforts.
I am not touching anything that has had Jay Wilson in it, i know it is unfair to blame the entire D3 game on him but he was the face of that game. And some of his interviews and answers were baffling
Muku
Member
I don't know why someone would choose something they weren't happy with in that regard though. I think it's a silly thing to change, definitely not worth paying for. But also not worth worrying about. How often do you view your character from the front?
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Look what I had to cover my face with... 'tis all because of evil GAF comments that made me do itI don't know why someone would choose something they weren't happy with in that regard though. I think it's a silly thing to change, definitely not worth paying for. But also not worth worrying about. How often do you view your character from the front?
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Mal'Ganis/Yoshichan/simple
jfoul
Member
I have good and bad memories from this game, mostly good though. I ran one of the few guilds who cleared Naxx 40 Pre-BC, and was a Field Marshal. It was a second job If you were close to the top in raid progression. Eventually the grind wore me down, and I realize at least for me, the social sacrifice wasn't worth it. Hey, at least I was able to cash out my toon for almost 3k.
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