I agree however I think the reason it's so bad right now is because we always had another Final Fantasy to look forward to if the recent one was a disappointment. I don't think XIII would have this much vitriol towards it if we had just gotten it and moved on to XV. Instead, we got two un-needed sequels and still no new mainline.
Wired: Final Fantasy Isnt Dying. Its Already Dead
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I agree however I think the reason it's so bad right now is because we always had another Final Fantasy to look forward to if the recent one was a disappointment. I don't think XIII would have this much vitriol towards it if we had just gotten it and moved on to XV. Instead, we got two un-needed sequels and still no new mainline.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Thank god.
Canis lupus
Member
FF will return back to the shitty Toriyama formula once Tabata and Nomura are finished with FFXV. XV will be a great game, the greatest FF since X, but the XIII team will return at the helmfor XVI and fuck up the brand once more.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
As much as I loved KH3 announcement, when I saw Twilight Town PS2 assets and a more than evident target render I was shaking my head.
Edit: We know that the combat video was real-time, that's not the problem, the problem is it still looks very early. And as a reminder they still change engine at some point....
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
It's a cycle like the Reapers in Mass Effect.
Dog food is delicious
Banned
That was X.
red snes nuk3chan
Banned
Also doing some substantial copy/paste of content to fill up the games which often last about 10hrs.
badcrumble
Member
Heh, true.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Ehm wait a sec. Western developers and publishers are almost all having serious difficulties making profits while eastern companies are quite healthy when they focus on local markets. I don't think we really serve as the best example of efficiency when you develop a game and if that bombs (darksiders II) you close the company. Reconsider.
Mihos
Gold Member
My favorite moment in all FF games was finally getting the airship and having a big world of secrets to find. FFX killed that and I have always held a secret grudge for that.
Funny thing is, I really liked the game play in X-2, but it wasn't a game I would want my wife walking in on me playing.
Funny thing is, I really liked the game play in X-2, but it wasn't a game I would want my wife walking in on me playing.
R_thanatos
Member
Game was pretty good.
Not to dimiss your opinion , but did you at least play it during on of the beta phases ?
I just don't see what make the game "not-great" based on what i've played in phase 3.
Especially when they are doing all they can to put everything they can to make the game great.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
They're achieving the impossibile with that game, delivering a funny polished mmorpg experience on the console market. And to add more to this, it's also a very cool promising "offline Final Fantasy".
lifa-cobex
Member
Ice-burg in the shoulder
Well, for me, FFXII is still my favorite game of all time. I enjoyed XIII and XIII-2, though they are flawed. FFXIV was really bad, but what I played of ARR is really great.
I think the whole PS360 generation has been a huge downpoint for the FF series, with the general disinterest in XIII, and the flop of FFXIV and the delays.
I think they have a good chance of revitalizing the series, I mean Nomura is still there, Ito is a bastion of hope, and they were doing good on the PSP with Crisis Core and Dissidia, though Type-0 I hear is suppose to be good as well, but I haven't had a chance to play that.
I think they started burning the Final Fantasy fan bridge, but I think they have a chance of putting it out, they just cant screw up with XV and ARR, and they really need to put Toriyama out to the pastures.
I think the whole PS360 generation has been a huge downpoint for the FF series, with the general disinterest in XIII, and the flop of FFXIV and the delays.
I think they have a good chance of revitalizing the series, I mean Nomura is still there, Ito is a bastion of hope, and they were doing good on the PSP with Crisis Core and Dissidia, though Type-0 I hear is suppose to be good as well, but I haven't had a chance to play that.
I think they started burning the Final Fantasy fan bridge, but I think they have a chance of putting it out, they just cant screw up with XV and ARR, and they really need to put Toriyama out to the pastures.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
The series is not dead, is just a cat in a box with poison
But frankly, we need fans calling out some of the awfulness than getting defensive. Square is not fine, both creative and finance wise, and their creatives create more snark than genuine appreciation. Doesn't mean that cannot create good or excellence, as many handheld games can attest, but that is also truth form most Big publishers
I don't think Wired is the judge and executioner of FF (or other media franchises) but is just a biased witness, like us. Lets try to be fair.
But frankly, we need fans calling out some of the awfulness than getting defensive. Square is not fine, both creative and finance wise, and their creatives create more snark than genuine appreciation. Doesn't mean that cannot create good or excellence, as many handheld games can attest, but that is also truth form most Big publishers
I don't think Wired is the judge and executioner of FF (or other media franchises) but is just a biased witness, like us. Lets try to be fair.
Green Mamba
Member
Did you know that pre-rendered target renders can still have clipping problems?
It's true.
*----The More You Know
Well.
People were saying FF was dead, since it was abandoning Nintendo and 2D.
Guess it wasn't.
People were saying FF was dead, since it was abandoning World Maps.
Guess it wasn't.
People were saying FF was dead, since a numbered entry was to be an MMO.
*yawn*
People were saying FF was dead, since it was abandoning Nintendo and 2D.
Guess it wasn't.
People were saying FF was dead, since it was abandoning World Maps.
Guess it wasn't.
People were saying FF was dead, since a numbered entry was to be an MMO.
*yawn*
Dog food is delicious
Banned
Didn't they already do that on TWO consoles with FFXI?
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Well good news, FFXV is taking airships back to the formula. Plus while waiting you can enjoy train rides in Lightning Returns!
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
It was not a good offline FF though... just a pain in the ass, grinding farming fest.
ARR plays like any other offline FF and ALSO it's played with other players. It's a fast, smooth, arcade-like, relaxing, exciting experience. COOL AS HELL. I had a blast with the BETA.
As an MMO it's pretty vanilla as vanilla goes. I got the game ordered, but I'm not going to call it a great game yet. It does do some relaly good things:
1. Art/world is fantastic
2. Music is great.
A pity they didn't use such a great world for a single player game.
You're straight up lying now.
SneakyStephan
Banned
It's true , ff died with x-2
ff12 with the international zodiac patch was one last sigh of breath and ff13 and everything after it is just enix fucking the corpse.
ff12 with the international zodiac patch was one last sigh of breath and ff13 and everything after it is just enix fucking the corpse.
I did play the beta actually. Beginning is extremely boring and paced very weird and the game plays much like other MMOs in ways. It feels too familiar.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Even with that incredible large team and all they managed to remake a MMO in 2 years, ARR is a NEW game, way more of a new game than XIII-2 and in 2 FUCKING YEARS. How many years took GW2 to be released or how many years in development had ESO behind it?.
What Yoshida and his team made and nothing short of a miracle. (and let's not forget they keep adding 1.0 content for several months)
Paracelsus
Member
FF is not dead.
It simply lowered to the level of the current absolutely utter mediocrity of the genre.
Take Resident Evil: it peaked with 4, 4 killed the series, now survival horror genre is pretty much dead and RE6 is awful.
It simply lowered to the level of the current absolutely utter mediocrity of the genre.
Take Resident Evil: it peaked with 4, 4 killed the series, now survival horror genre is pretty much dead and RE6 is awful.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
Lambda Pie
Banned
it's bleeding in a corner after a drive-by, but it's not dead yet.
See I'm all for that, calling devs out on mistakes is fine, the problem is a neverending stream of blindness, vitrol and making elephants out of molehills. The entire article is based around ridiculing that one interview point. I don't need to explain how bloody stupid that is and how bloody wrong the Wired writer is in every paragraph. There should be balance and objectiveness in criticism, and most people are incapable of that, for them the emotion of enjoyment is binary, they either enjoy the product, as a whole, or they don't. Not many have a critical mind to actually discern what worked and why and what's sad is that these people are allowed to be journalists. Some actually appear to have that critical mind but don't, that results in them getting the positive/negative reaction first, then trying to justify it, that's not good enough either, that's prejudice in a nutshell.
Final Fantasy isn't dead. It's just not good enough at the moment for many people.
Exactly.
I'm not the biggest fan of 9 but the main series lost me with 10. I'm seeing absolutely nothing from XV to change my mind, is it even gonna be an RPG? Looks...Kingdom Hearts-y? I'd do my own damn research but like I said, I find it hard to give a damn about this series nowadays much less dissect trailers to try and find the snippets of actual gameplay.
As much as I love Atlus' way of doing things part of me does miss when JRPGs could be and often were those big graphical showcase titles, and Final Fantasy is one of the few brands in the genre that can sell enough to pull off AAA development costs. But they just handle it in such a fantastically stupid manner, not even Capcom can approach their level of insanity.
Hell, no secrets here about that. I don't know who decided that world map exploration needed to go but fuck them.
It was one of the few features about 'versus' I was looking forward to, and the only source of a thin strand of care I maintain about XV.
As much as I love Atlus' way of doing things part of me does miss when JRPGs could be and often were those big graphical showcase titles, and Final Fantasy is one of the few brands in the genre that can sell enough to pull off AAA development costs. But they just handle it in such a fantastically stupid manner, not even Capcom can approach their level of insanity.
Hell, no secrets here about that. I don't know who decided that world map exploration needed to go but fuck them.
It was one of the few features about 'versus' I was looking forward to, and the only source of a thin strand of care I maintain about XV.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Beginning is just different from the usual FF, instead of starting with a bang as a plot devise it starts slow and then gets more rhythm by moving forward. It doesn't play like other mmorpgs I played. It plays like an offline Final Fantasy that whenever you want you can suddendly enjoy with your friends. People dismissing the FFXIII series and claiming for the next big main offline FF should stop looking around: A Realm Reborn it's already the next big Final Fantasy and it's just one month away. You can't ask for more, trust me.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
The article is like an outraged gamer telling his exgamer friends about FF. This is sounding like he just doesn't like JRPGs. He isn't even interested in the fact FF is rejuvenating itself for the modern era. Maybe if him and his gaming cherubs would support SE more than criticize, then the general public wouldn't have to read this garbage.
How about how they fixed XIV and made it decent/playable? The fact that XV looks fantastic, Lighting Returns has a lot of charm, plus the fact they'll add FF characters to KH3?
This guy is completely biased and shouldn't be publishing this garbage.
How about how they fixed XIV and made it decent/playable? The fact that XV looks fantastic, Lighting Returns has a lot of charm, plus the fact they'll add FF characters to KH3?
This guy is completely biased and shouldn't be publishing this garbage.
Squall is a SeeD with Guardian Forces equipped who obviously make you stronger than your average citizen. He was also healed by Edea who remember, is a sorceress and has much stronger healing magic.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
I think Sony would be wise to assemble a new studio to make first party JRPG's. Microsoft and Nintendo can't compete with them on this front. Microsoft has no japan presence and Nintendo can maybe pacify their own cosnole loyal gamers but that is it. Sony could take hold of japanese JRPG gamers and try to unite western JRPG gamers under one umbrella. The other side to it is simply making sure the genre remains alive and vibrant. The genre has simply been mismanaged by many company and only a strong hand can make it healthy again. They can at least try.
Hah, me too, I loved landing on every small island, mountain-top and out-of-the-way pixel hoping to find a secret, it's exactly the same for me with Secret of Mana and Skies of Arcadia too, the moment the world opens up and you have that sense of real freedom. I miss that, even if its hard to render with more intensively-rendered graphics, and also isn't in vogue with modern game design that hates sequence-breaking, and a director that wants to control exactly the order we see things.
I think that's one thing I dislike about modern FF games- the story isnt any more or less linear but I miss being able to mess about with the airship. It allows the player to bring their own 'downtime' into the story arc and help manage the pacing to something they prefer or that fits their gaming time better.
What kool-aid are you drinking? I get it if you are a Final Fantasy fan, all the power to ya, but to try and sweep under the rug the fact that the Final Fantasy brand has been tarnished is wrong.
When Square Enix announced they were making an MMO the gaming world collectively shit itself with excitement, thats how pumped people used to be for FF content. People said goodbye WoW, its been a nice run. Look at the result - as of today, FF11 has less subscribers that Age of Conan, Rift, Warhammer Online and Second Life. Can you imagine that way back when it was announced?
The fact is, FF lost what made it special to a global audience. Instead going overly anime, japanese centric basically alienating people with these j-pop stars and annoying as fuck characters like Vanille.
Point is, Im sure there are plenty of people on gaf who "used to be" FF fans, myself included.
Ultros was anything but a waste of dev time.
Shin Megami Tensei IV just came out for 3DS. If you either don't keep up with fusing demons or don't master the Press Turn battle system, you will get destroyed constantly by random encounters and destroyed even harder by bosses.
The series in general tends to keep you on your toes. Give it a shot.
R_thanatos
Member
ok fair enough ..just wanted to know.
I do think it get Much much better after the prologue is finished (lv15) and that's where the magic trully is cast on the player.. but that's another debate.
DarkLordMalik
Member
If you want further clarification
This is Target Render. This gif is from the E3 trailer
This is real time. This gif is from the gameplay trailer.
The only reason i see for them to use the Target Render is because they wanted to show flashy moves and scenes that they wanted to implement in game.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
polyh3dron
Banned
XV has been the game most of us have been looking forward to even before XIII came out.
Toriyama is shit, and Nomura can actually make good games. Just look at The World Ends With You.
Toriyama is shit, and Nomura can actually make good games. Just look at The World Ends With You.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
That's standard in MMO. ARR is a very standard MMO, that's what Yoshida wanted (and in 2 years try to reinvent the wheel is insane) but with the FF flavor and characteristics. Plot starts slow but writing is leagues beyond Toriyama and Watanable could come with and the early levels (well basically until you lvl cap) is divised as a tutorial so when you reach lvl 50 you would have learned all the necessary to start the true game: The end game stuff.
Kaori's Babydaddy
Banned
Dap to that.