This analysis is indisputably correct.
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This analysis is indisputably correct.
Also, for whatever reason, and despite the protests of his own family, Walt decided he didn't need to be at the Schrader residence under protection with everyone, and it just so happened that it's when Walt is gone that Gus goes boom. I mean, the sheer volume of things that must have run through Hank's head were astronomical, it's no wonder he had a panic attack.
I'm sorry. You obviously can't participate in an adult conversation, so I don't see the value in pretending I care if you unsub. So far during this latest debate, the majority of your posts have been whining rather than contribution to the conversation. If you don't like the conversation, skip it and start a different one. Multiple threads of conversation can co-exist.
This is a minor detail, but it's hinted that that wasn't even the last time that happened. In the flashback to when Skylar and Walt were picking out their house, the real estate agent mentioned that walt works at some high profile laboratory. Even if he screwed things up at grey, how did he screw things up at this other job too? How many jobs did he go through before his only option left was being a high school teacher with his qualifications?
She didnt' suggest it. All that happened was that Skylar (genuinely) slipped up and mentioned the cancer to the guy and, upon hearing that, he graciously offered his help. And as mentioned above, it's unlikely that Gretchen and whatshisname screwed him at all. Gretchen was utterly baffled when Walt confronted her about it. It's Walt's ego revising his history to make himself the victim.
Intheflorsh
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I actually subscribe to that theory myself. Walt's in the empire business, after all.
Wasn't the high profile lab Gray Matter?
Yeah, when they were buying a home at that time, he was still with that company I believe.
EDIT: Nope, I was wrong.
RoninChaos
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Right. Anyone who says something that doesn't coincide with your viewpoints is whining.
I'm not going to get into a back and forth with you. I used to do this shit when I was 15. I'm a grown ass man and I don't give a fuck what you think. Stay in your fucking lane and quit attacking people for no reason. Posting a question about the show after you attack someone doesn't mean you're right or your opinion is anymore valid.
Watch.
Hey guys, anybody think about what Lydia is going to do? I'm thinking she's the reason Walt goes back. She has the most to lose right now if she's providing an inferior product to the Czechs.
OH WOW I CONTRIBUTED.
Seriously, man. This is some child shit.
No. He was working for Sandia Labs if I recall. Gray Matter fallout happened before he met Skyler.
The timeline doesn't match up, does it? Walt wasn't with Skyler when he worked at Gray Matter.
Or wait, didn't he call it off with Gretchen around the same time he left the company? If so, he couldn't have been with Skyler then, so him being at Gray Matter when they were buying the home... does the timeline seem right?
Nameless
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Yes, got shitfaced and let resentful & insecure feelings spill. This mistake or fuck up doesn't discount everything that happened afterwards.
It was more than maintaining control. In fact letting Gus kill Hank would have solved many of his problems(and the above mistake). This is even more true in Crawl Space where he saves Hank's life, incurring the promised wrath of Fring in the process.
You won't hear any arguments from me that Walt has grown increasingly detached and selfish as the series has progressed. One of the best parts of the series is watching Walt go from a bumblit unconfident liar to master manipulator. I'd even say he's embraced & discovered dark parts if his personality to his detriment, but I can't say he's ever stopped being human. That much was clear from last night's premiere.
I guess he was working for Sandia Labs (according to one other poster). I forgot when they mentioned he was working there?
And you are right, he wouldn't be with Skyler if he was still at Gray Matters. He left both Gretchen and the company at the same time.
EDIT here we go:
You do have good memory! Great find. I totally forgot about this. I wonder what Walt did AGAIN to cause him to lose (or leave) this job? How did he end up a highschool teacher having to take a second job?
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I can't believe I have to spell this out for you too.
This is contribution ->
"You know Amir0x you say Walt has no gray areas, why do you think _____, ______ and _____ happened? Or do you just mean he doesn't have any gray areas lately?"
This is not a contribution ->
"Is every BB thread like this!? Amir0x sharing his opinion over and over! I'll unsub arggh!?!?!"
The ladder has been your behavior throughout this current discussion.
RoninChaos
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I think if he was truly sub-human or 100% monster then we'll see him off hank shortly. I don't think that'll happen though.
The Atticus
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If they don't do a flashback and tell us what happened with Gray Matters and his other Lab job, I'll always wonder what went wrong that caused Walt to leave those jobs. Given Walt's personality (being driven by pride), I really wonder if these events would have been extremely revealing of Walt's personality that we might have been aware of in the very beginning of the show. I guess it's not really necessary to the main plot as we've seen Walt make decisions that have shown us who he really is (with this regard). And of course they have a lot of stuff to cover that has more importance at this point.
But damn, what the hell went wrong with his life. My guess is he created his own bad fortunes.
But damn, what the hell went wrong with his life. My guess is he created his own bad fortunes.
I enjoy the fact that we love to try to find a meaning out of everything but this one is a miss.
Robot Pants
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Going back to Walt showing traits of Gus for a sec:
Since Walt was never there to see Gus perform his vomit ritual, that kinda debunks the whole, "takes on traits of people he's killed" theory as pointed out earlier.
Instead, what I think has happened is that Walt has become the same person Gus was. Built his empire in a similar way as Gus, and is now the seemingly perfect business man on the outside but really a cold blooded criminal on the inside. So they think the same way, and have for sometime. Everything they do is calculated. I think by Walt laying down the towel shows that his whole thought process in everything he does is so similar to Gus' that when put in the same scenario - in this case throwing up in front of a toilet - their reactions would be almost identical.
Hope that makes sense.
Since Walt was never there to see Gus perform his vomit ritual, that kinda debunks the whole, "takes on traits of people he's killed" theory as pointed out earlier.
Instead, what I think has happened is that Walt has become the same person Gus was. Built his empire in a similar way as Gus, and is now the seemingly perfect business man on the outside but really a cold blooded criminal on the inside. So they think the same way, and have for sometime. Everything they do is calculated. I think by Walt laying down the towel shows that his whole thought process in everything he does is so similar to Gus' that when put in the same scenario - in this case throwing up in front of a toilet - their reactions would be almost identical.
Hope that makes sense.
Intheflorsh
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Another great gif destroyed by bad diffusion.
I didn't notice that the third instance was a callback, though. Neat!
Interesting. It strikes me how fascinating it is that Walt is such a fantastically written character and yet it would probably make extremely boring television to have a flashback season where he worked at one of those labs ha
King Allant
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pssh I'm on #Team Waltwinbuthisfamilydiedintheprocess
Nameless
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I don't think Walt sees Hank as a serious threat right now. If/when that changes Hank loses.
Vince said it had something to do with Walt's relationship with Gretchen. Something about him feeling insecure by the fact that she was very rich.
I always thought it was more a symbolic idea than it was any literal action taken on Walt's part.
Interesting, thanks for sharing that. I could see Walt reacting that way.
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Chie Satonaka
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I agree. I don't think Hank could pull the trigger, if it came down to that.
But I think Walt can.
3 birthdays, 3 reactions
That's pretty neat.
I loved this - how did you get this (assuming that's your url?)
Steelyuhas
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Walt arriving at the house at the beginning has to be a bit of time after his 52nd birthday because it appears he's driven from New Hampshire to New Mexico (over 2000 miles).
I believe he was already in Albuquerque in the 5.1 cold open. The waitress sees his ID and mentions something along the lines of he's a long way from home and asks if he's headed through to California, and he says no, that he has business there.
King Allant
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he had his 52 birthday at the diner in Albuquerque.
RoninChaos
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I think people like Hank, Jesse and his family are why he didn't go full bore into scarface mode 100%. You could see it on his face that he didn't want to go full Hsienberg. From what I can see Walt feels he's out. That's why he could say that he only runs a car wash. I truly believe that Walt naively thinks because he walked away that all his sins don't matter.
Don't forget hank loves Walt and Walt loves hank. That's why Walt acted how he did. And why Hank was such a hurricane of emotions. Here's this guy who is family, and he's been behind some of the awful shit you've been trying to prevent. You've watched him beat cancer, you've had him help you when you were down, you've watched his kids, tried to help with his marriage and it turns out he's making meth and murdering people. That's a fucking mind job right there.
And I think in some twisted way Walt thinks hes done good for the people around him by becoming a Meth kingpin. His wife "owns" a business. He's putting people to work. He paid for Hank to get well, he took Gus Fring out, etc. But walt's choice to make meth has lead to the tainting if everyone in his circle.
I'm really curious to see how they let things happen. I feel like they'll give Walt a redeeming moment at some point.
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Cornballer
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There are so many scenes/situations on Breaking Bad where someone could and should have walked away, either literally or figuratively, but they come back for one reason or another and then things go sour.
Indeed, but I absolutely loved this one. It's Walt to its very core.
The Hermit
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omgee
just watched
that quote...so awesome!
my mind... blow
phew! Damn I didn't expect for the confrontation to happen so fast... this is crazy
spindoctor
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Damn. Jump into this thread to talk about the episode and see that it's completely gone to shit in the last couple of pages.
Anyway I thought the episode was great. I really liked how they didn't drag out the whole Hank discovering Walter's identity plot line. One and done, now he knows for sure who Heisenberg is.
Jesse's character is starting to grate on me now. I get that they're showing that he's a broken man but his downward spiral started so many episodes (years?) ago that he has just become a uni-dimensional, constantly lifeless person who is just not interesting to watch anymore. And this takes out half the equation of why this show is so awesome.
I am thoroughly intrigued by what happened to Walt's house though. The state of disrepair it's in seems to suggest that it happens at least a few years in the future. I also agree with one poster earlier who said that no one would really let their neighbourhood go to crap like that, so that part was a little jarring.
Anyway I thought the episode was great. I really liked how they didn't drag out the whole Hank discovering Walter's identity plot line. One and done, now he knows for sure who Heisenberg is.
Jesse's character is starting to grate on me now. I get that they're showing that he's a broken man but his downward spiral started so many episodes (years?) ago that he has just become a uni-dimensional, constantly lifeless person who is just not interesting to watch anymore. And this takes out half the equation of why this show is so awesome.
I am thoroughly intrigued by what happened to Walt's house though. The state of disrepair it's in seems to suggest that it happens at least a few years in the future. I also agree with one poster earlier who said that no one would really let their neighbourhood go to crap like that, so that part was a little jarring.
Haven't posted since the episode. Have like 2000 posts to catch up on but v little time to read them.
From a glance though I can tell that people are being completely rational and discussion is fun and personable, and definitely not insufferable and full of people who like to snipe from the sidelines instead of defending their bad opinions from others debating them. like always in bb threads.
"tread lightly" should be the #1 rule for these threads.
e: Oh, and the episode: it was very very good.
From a glance though I can tell that people are being completely rational and discussion is fun and personable, and definitely not insufferable and full of people who like to snipe from the sidelines instead of defending their bad opinions from others debating them. like always in bb threads.
"tread lightly" should be the #1 rule for these threads.
e: Oh, and the episode: it was very very good.
Yep. Like the dinner scene where he can't resist tipping his hand to Hank just a little bit.
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