polyh3dron
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What about ValueAct getting a seat on the board of directors, a new CEO and a new head of the Xbox division that doesn't give two shits about vidya gaems? Those things factor in heavily.
Analyst: If Xbox One Tanks, It Could Be Microsoft's Last Console
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Yeah and then we got the PS3 launch, Giant Crabs , 599, "get a second job", etc etc.Imagine if no 360 or Wii were there to give Sony a proper kick in the ass. Inagine what the PS4 would be like now. Imagine if Sony were not around to put the pressure to MS a few months ago, there would e no "180's" i can tell you that. I know most console warrior types( not talking about you, just in general) don't like an sort of competition to the brands they shill for, so they don't like to acknowledge these kinds of things. These corporations aren't your friends the second there is no meaningful competition they do not hesitate to get arrogant and start pulling shit they otherwise would have thought twice about if there was a powerful rival on their asses that can take away their costumers.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
PS3 sold less than PS2
Vita sells less than PSP
If Sony can't reverse this trend with the PS4 then they may decide to pull out, who knows. Let's not forget we are talking about the same Sony who have been completely incapable of turning round the Vita, they have had nearly 2 years and can't do it.
If MS go from 80m consoles to 50m next gen then their marketshare will be in decline and they may think about pulling out as well.
Impeccable
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Every single piece of data we have suggests they are in for a rough time.
Fifa pack-in panic move.
Sony having 3:1 in pre-orders.
MS having a small launch and pretending there is no supply issues.
MS not having a concise message for direction.
The atmosphere across any hardcore gaming circle leaning heavily in the favour of Sony.
There is more but I'm on my iPad and hate typing with it. I don't see how a rational person can honestly think MS is in prime position gong into this next generation at all. Hate to break it to you and MS but I highly doubt this casual leaning is going to save the division.
Man, you're on a roll here. Keep it up!
You made me lol
Thanks for the reply. So it's not that far fetched that MS might consider getting out of the business, if this isn't AS successful as they want it to be.
It was a good call. It's basically the same thing as someone saying "Cool story bro" as the first reply. It adds nothing to the conversation and basically derails what the OP is saying by dismissing the content.
dragonelite
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Not gonna participate in an one console future.
Doesn't matter what console it is.
Doesn't matter what console it is.
TheLaughingStock
Member
I'm sure Apple is envious of the profits the Xbox and PlayStation bring in each year. /s
Most people are armchair generals.
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
Nintendo's IPs are irreplaceable. They will always be able to sell hardware with mario, zelda, pokemon etc. MS barely has that advantage. As I said Halo would still be big on the PC which is FPS territory.
mr teaspoon
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1) That stuff isn't mentioned in the headline at all. I'm making fun of the headline.
2) The ValueAct thing, while certainly worth mentioning and thinking about, doesn't seem to be the big deal people are making out of it (unless there's some info I missed). I can't imagine the board of directors consisting of 3 people. From the way people talk you'd think this was an episode of It's Always Sunny, where if one member of the gang can be swayed things are going to go in a radically different direction.
That's good to hear. There are certainly valid critiques of all consoles, but the silly, tired and frankly stupid replies waste so much space in any MS thread posted in the last 3 months. It'll be nice to see that abate just a bit.
I'm already unemployed. Give me support (money?) before helping others please.
(job begging is bannable? lol)
This thread is hilarious. Very excited to see what will change in future, with or without Microsoft. We are on the verge of seeing many major Chinese companies rise to dominance worldwide, and notably in electronic and entertainment markets.
Nintony has a better ring to it.
Duxxy3
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I have no faith in microsoft to innovate by creating new games. Because, for me, that's what video games are... games, not services.
dreamer3kx
Member
MS will never let this thing tank, not a ms fan but they are extremely aggressive.
dragonelite
Member
For the last 3 years there have been multiple talks and rumors about dissolving the entertainment section of MS.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
Vita is not important to Sony, do not use that thing as a example. Sony sole 80 million PS3s because they actually had competition this time, Wii was a revolution and 360 was doing everything right for the core gamers(and they STILL turned PS3 around).
I think if they focused on software they could really give EA a run for their money. I think owning the hardware is a big component of their current strategy but I think it's ultimately going to bust for them and they will do a Sega (and be more successful at it).
la flama blanca
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finallyyyy
Neuro
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The same argument can be made for Sony and Nintendo. This generation is going to be extremely critical for all three companies, with the rising propulsion of the realm of causal off beat gaming, dumping in a million dollars on a game like Halo or Uncharted will not be very financially viable.
The way I look at it is that Nintendo will soon exit the so called console market and focus most of its development on handheld devices
Microsoft will still remain in the hardware business, but the cross platform play between PC and the "Xbox" brand is likely to grow. They are going to turn the Xbox brand into a software, a one stop shop for games and other forms of entertainment
Sony well, I dont know if they are ever going to replicate the success of the original playstation and its successor, the tides have changed, I honestly do not see them last for too long in the business of hardware, most of their other electronics divisions are already suffering and Sony's as a company has never been a proponent of software
By the end of this generation all we will be left is the fond memories of a culture that used to be defined people who were passionate and dedicated to the realm of gaming...
The way I look at it is that Nintendo will soon exit the so called console market and focus most of its development on handheld devices
Microsoft will still remain in the hardware business, but the cross platform play between PC and the "Xbox" brand is likely to grow. They are going to turn the Xbox brand into a software, a one stop shop for games and other forms of entertainment
Sony well, I dont know if they are ever going to replicate the success of the original playstation and its successor, the tides have changed, I honestly do not see them last for too long in the business of hardware, most of their other electronics divisions are already suffering and Sony's as a company has never been a proponent of software
By the end of this generation all we will be left is the fond memories of a culture that used to be defined people who were passionate and dedicated to the realm of gaming...
Canis lupus
Member
Why not just Nony.
njean777
Member
joke post?
MS innovated by making you pay for what was free for years ahead of Xbox live, sadly Sony followed suit, but MS didn't innovate shit. I really hate this argument. PC had online gaming years before consoles and didn't charge for the service either.
I remember people like you being happy when Sega left the console space as well. Just as pathetic now as it was then.
CassidyIzABeast
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Why would either pull out when they're guaranteed to make more money this generation? Sony isn't taking a 200 dollar loss on each system sold and Microsoft put together a console that wont cost them a billion dollars to fix after it kill itself in 4 years or less. There no way they don't make more money this time around.
RukusProvider
Banned
I'm happy to pay for quality and convenience.
What MS did with Live this gen is move console gaming to a online focus across the board. I'm personally very thankful for that. You might not be.
And all it takes is one game to take off, and the console will follow. We can account for all these variables, but there are still plenty of unknowns that could happen. If there is a game everyone wants to play then all of that other stuff gets erased. Things are very fluid at this point in the game.
Man, Who's going to take Sega's place?
Thank you Modus, it was getting tiring.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
Yeah, they can do that in the handheld market. But home consoles aren't profitable if they sell like the N64 or the Gamecube and I don't see Nintendo surpassing those evels ever again.
Winnie the Pimp
Member
I don't believe it will tank, why would it? The 360 didn't, the dudebros will still be there to run out and buy whatever CODs or whatever sells these days.
Personally though, i'd be in heaven with just Sony and Nintendo on the console front, that is assuming they wouldn't go ever go crazy like MS has and come up with ideas to fuck up existing business models/introduce new ones in order to screw the customers/increase profit at ANY cost!
Personally though, i'd be in heaven with just Sony and Nintendo on the console front, that is assuming they wouldn't go ever go crazy like MS has and come up with ideas to fuck up existing business models/introduce new ones in order to screw the customers/increase profit at ANY cost!
Graphics Horse
Member
Getting?
The only funny one was the Ouya/Towerfall variant
On topic, I agree but it's not really saying much. They may even be the final consoles in a traditional sense even if they're a success. If the PS4 tanks, I think Sony would have to make huge changes to their division, maybe stick a bunch of people on smartphone games or something...
Kageshinzo
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While we're at it, I hope you guys do the same for the tired "Please understand" shit when it comes to Nintendo threads. It's getting as, if not more, irritating than this Titanfall and cloud thing.
Just leave "Please be excited" alone though. Square-Enix deserves that shit.
njean777
Member
having a paywall for Netflix/amazon/hbo go/p2p and everything else is quality? You my friend are delusional.
The Vita was well into R&D when smartphones gobbled up the intended market for it. Sony is doing what is financially responsible with it - slow profitable burn knowing they can't take over the market with it and therefore avoiding risks. I doubt we see another handheld from them and they'll instead move on to smartphone gaming for portable services (likely cloud based).
The home console line however is a tent pole product for them. They aren't scrapping their TV line where they've lost way more money and marketshare than the Playstation line, and with fewer positives on the horizon. Their current CEO was hired explicitly because of how he handheld the home console division post-Kutaragi. He's a Playstation man first and foremost.
If J Allard is the next CEO of Microsoft you might be on to something, but until then their commitment to the home console sector isn't remotely the same as Sony's.
Lasthope106
Member
I don't think so. MS has already the most dominant gaming platform on the market, and the one they have completely ignored. The pc. If the Xbox went away not everyone would go to Sony. Amazon is looking to get into the gaming business. There have been rumors with Google. Not to mention the Steambox.
Because half of the things you mentioned are rumor or speculation.... and ignoring the obvious that a lot of people see a pretty amazing product and a well improved follow up to a very successful 360.
You don't have to believe me now but it is less hopeful thinking on my part than it is wishful thinking on the naysayers and their "evidence" to the contrary.
I think all the doom and gloom a little humorous to be honest
In fact the more people try to convince themselves of these "facts" and speculation the more I realize how less likely it is to happen.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
I don't think either of them will, all I said was there was more chance Sony would in my opinion.
The smartest thing Sony have did so far is make PS+ compulsory for online gaming, they may also want to consider not giving away so many games for free.
slicedmass
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Don't think Sega has the money to enter the game again with a console, maybe samsung will jump in to the game if either microsoft or nintendo or even sony exit the hardware gaming business.
Opus Angelorum
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massivekettle
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It's not about the profits, but about consoles being a trojan horse/loss leader to widen the scope/breadth of your ecosystem. AppleTV hasn't been a resounding success, which is why such acquisition could potentially make sense (not that it necessarily does). Microsoft/Sony have what Google/Apple do not; an access to your living room.
Microsoft could scale back their console efforts if the X1 fails, but unless the failure is catastrophic (i.e. Wii-U type), X1 / 360 still represents a big part of their consumer ecosystem strategy - selling it would definitely put an end to these efforts.
dripdripsplash
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Isn't that an obvious ? If PS4 tanks wouldn't the same thing happen ?