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[Curufinwe]

Wrong. Wipeout 2048 won't be compatible. Can you guess why? That's right, because it requires the touchscreen. For menus. This is something people just aren't getting. If a Vita game requires the touch screen for anything then it won't be compatible. Absolutely anything. Touch is required for menu navigation in wipeout, therefore won't be playable. Just like something like Super Monkey Vita. It may not use touch for the core gameplay, but the menu navigation touch requirement alone is enough to make it not playable..

Wrong. Menu navigation won't be a problem. It's games that require touch screen use during gameplay that will be hard to make work.

Erm noticing alot of posts saying Touchscreen games are not supported:

http://www.jp.playstation.com/psvitatv/faq/

It's specifically stated in the faq that there is a manner of touchscreen control. By holding either L3 or R3 a pointer will appear on the screen which you can manipulate using the DS3.

Via google translate...

There was manipulation of on-screen "touch" and "flick" in Q. PS Vita, but how do you operate the wireless controller?

The PS Vita TV, there is a "touch pointer" as the support function of the system.
You can set PS button Press and hold> menu> from "Using the touch pointer".
Once set, by pressing the button on R3 or L3 of the wireless controller, the pointer in the shape of the finger is displayed. You can operate move it.

 

[R10Neymarfan]

This is dumb. I mean couldn't you use the PS4 for this stuff?

I guess this means the PS4 will be able to play Vita games on it's own too

 

[Anilusion]

Will this support using your Vita as a controller?

 

[popeutlal]

Because there are not enough $99 devices that play SNES games already...

What are they? Hopefully not Ouya.

 

[Stealthcobra]

Like the Wii U?

You must have never played with the wii u. The wii u game pad loses connection with the wii u if walk more than 10-20 ft from the system. Then the screen goes blank and tells you're too far away from said sydtem.

 

[Screamapillar]

They just eliminated the need for a ton of people to own the Vita...

If it accepts and plays Vita games, I think it counts as a Vita.

 

[MarauderShields]

I would buy this

 

[Stealthcobra]

This is dumb. I mean couldn't you use the PS4 for this stuff?

I guess this means the PS4 will be able to play Vita games on it's own too

No idea where you draw this conclusion...

 

[RealMeat]

If nothing else, Giantbomb can start doing Vita quicklooks once this comes out.

 

[$h@d0w]

Definitely, for those. I was more referring to the retail Vita games that aren't compatible at the moment (Eurogamer says Gravity Rush isn't compatible, for example) - I wonder if we'll see Gravity Rush Remix for Vita TV or something?

That's a question for yosp for the really touch heavy games.

- but like I've said several times in this thread, there are games on the compatibility list that require touch for the menus (like I Wanna Be The Man is referring to with Super Monkey Ball Banana Splitz, not on the list) but they are on this list as working (Lumines uses touch for menus and back touch for powering up, Ninja Gaiden Sigma ninpo usage).

They have a solution for this, just that they haven't detailed or demonstrated it yet.

http://www.jp.playstation.com/psvitatv/game/psvitalist/


Edit: boom there you have it, touch screen emulation - http://www.jp.playstation.com/psvitatv/faq/

 

[Father_Brain]

Well, kudos to the people who predicted this based on the House comments in February. I recall there were a few.

A PS-branded set-top gaming box makes a great deal of sense given where the market is trending, but I'm not convinced that this is going to be a big success. It has better-established competitors as far as media functions go, it can't run a lot of native Vita software (though I'm sure more will be patched), and most of the gaming target audience already owns at least one device that can play much of Vita's multiplatform library.

If this had been launched instead of Vita, or as a companion device to a hypothetical Vita sans extra inputs, it might work, but as is, I'm not clear what the selling point is supposed to be beyond its use as a PS4 accessory.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

Wrong. Wipeout 2048 won't be compatible. Can you guess why? That's right, because it requires the touchscreen. For menus. This is something people just aren't getting. If a Vita game requires the touch screen for anything then it won't be compatible. Absolutely anything. Touch is required for menu navigation in wipeout, therefore won't be playable. Just like something like Super Monkey Vita. It may not use touch for the core gameplay, but the menu navigation touch requirement alone is enough to make it not playable.

Very few retail Vita games require no sort of touch interaction. The ones that don't are indies and games that are also available on PS3. If you want to play those games on your tv then buy a PS3 for a similar price point and also have access to loads of PS3 games.

The only way something like wipeout will be playable is if they take the effort to patch it so touch is no longer required. No third party is going to do that for any existing game and Sony won't do it for many of their games. For some it's impossible even if they wanted to, like Uncharted GA. About as many retail Vita games will be patched for use with Vita TV as PS3 games that were patched to be playable on Vita via remote play. Sony might decide to do it with a couple games just so they can say it's doable and have an extra selling point. But in reality that's all it will be. A couple of games. The rest of the library on Vita TV will be indies you can already play on PS3 and PS1 games you can already play on PS3. And PSP games, but in this day and age does anybody really give a shit about playing PSP games on a big screen? A small minority at best.

They can simply adapt the touch controls to a different, button-orientated configuration. Especially if it's a first or second party game (the ones that generally sell on Vita to begin with). I don't see the problem there other than not wanting to put the time in to do it.

This is actually a really cool reveal. I like the look of the device and it's practically something I wish Nintendo was doing right now. This seems a lot like a Vita relaunch and I think it's the best way to do so, especially if they market it right. I might actually pick this up this year too seeing I probably won't be able to get a PS4 anytime too soon.

 

[Oppo]

Wrong. Wipeout 2048 won't be compatible. Can you guess why? That's right, because it requires the touchscreen. For menus. This is something people just aren't getting. If a Vita game requires the touch screen for anything then it won't be compatible. Absolutely anything. Touch is required for menu navigation in wipeout, therefore won't be playable. Just like something like Super Monkey Vita. It may not use touch for the core gameplay, but the menu navigation touch requirement alone is enough to make it not playable.

Very few retail Vita games require no sort of touch interaction. The ones that don't are indies and games that are also available on PS3. If you want to play those games on your tv then buy a PS3 for a similar price point and also have access to loads of PS3 games.

Oh it's not nearly as bad as that. Or maybe not in my Vita library, anyways. I've found most touch controls are optional.

In the case of Wipeout 2048, all they need to do is patch in a cursor highlight for the menu and they are done.

 

[Jimrpg]

Maybe have two control schemes? It's not like touchscreen controls have somehow revolutionized the games we do play on Vita.

yes thats true. they can definitely do that.

but it probably means they probably won't put as much effort into developing new touchscreen control schemes unless its completely obvious. it just seems like with the vita TV they are getting away from touchscreen controls.

not that i like touchscreen games to be perfectly honest but the touchscreen / motion gaming fad looks like its going away

 

[RPGCrazied]

How about dissidia would that be playable?

 

[Vitor711]

If nothing else, Giantbomb can start doing Vita quicklooks once this comes out.

First thing I thought of too. They'll import it in for sure.

 

[Anoregon]

Man this is so fucking weird but also pretty interesting and kind of cool.

 

[Luigi87]

It would be simply amazing if PS3 fight sticks could be use via that USB port.

 

[ImpassionateGods]

Hmmm I'd like to get this just because it's cheaper, but are handheld games even going to look good on a tv?

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

They just eliminated the need for a ton of people to own the Vita...

It is a Vita.

 

[bob page]

This is a brilliant idea and I will be buying one. Definitely gets me interested in Vita software without requiring me to commit to the hardware. And I can finally try all those Plus games I have stored up! The PS4 extending functionalith only sweetens the deal.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

Wait, wait.

So I can buy this, and play my Vita games from PS+ on my TV, without a Vita?

Really?

Well fuck, I'll take one. This is like, super cool. I always played my Vita in the house anyway, so I'd much rather replay those games on my TV with a controller.

 

[I Wanna Be The Guy]

Wrong. Menu navigation won't be a problem. It's games that require touch screen use during gameplay that will be hard to make work.




Via google translate...

There was manipulation of on-screen "touch" and "flick" in Q. PS Vita, but how do you operate the wireless controller?

Oh. In that case I stand corrected. Ok, this is slightly more appealing now. Well not for me, but for some I guess. Still, a very large number of Vita games won't be playable because of how touch screen is used in gameplay.

 

[Curufinwe]

Oh it's not nearly as bad as that. Or maybe not in my Vita library, anyways. I've found most touch controls are optional.

In the case of Wipeout 2048, all they need to do is patch in a cursor highlight for the menu and they are done.

No patch required, it's already built in to the system.

http://www.jp.playstation.com/psvitatv/faq/

The PS Vita TV, there is a "touch pointer" as the support function of the system.
You can set PS button Press and hold> menu> from "Using the touch pointer".
Once set, by pressing the button on R3 or L3 of the wireless controller, the pointer in the shape of the finger is displayed. You can operate move it.

This is not going to be enough to make games like Gravity Rush work, or games like Uncharted GA which require you to use the camera.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Okay, I thought this was an in-between box and you still needed the handheld. Probably getting this at this price. Great price.

 

[Stealthcobra]

Well, kudos to the people who predicted this based on the House comments in February. I recall there were a few.

A PS-branded set-top gaming box makes a great deal of sense given where the market is trending, but I'm not convinced that this is going to be a big success. It has better-established competitors as far as media functions go, it can't run a lot of native Vita software (though I'm sure more will be patched), and most of the gaming target audience already owns at least one device that can play much of Vita's multiplatform library.

If this had been launched instead of Vita, or as a companion device to a hypothetical Vita sans extra inputs, it might work, but as is, I'm not clear what the selling point is supposed to be beyond its use as a PS4 accessory.

Why would people buy an appletv or roku when they can buy this? How can you not see the selling point.

 

[8byte]

Services will make or break this device, not games. They need apps like Amazon Instant, Hulu, HBO Go, Spotify, Pandora, and last.fm. If they want to entice people to get on board with Music Unlimited, they need to show why it's a better service with a trial, and have the app pre-loaded with a video that shows you can use it on PS3/4, vita, Vita Tv, and phones.

They also need to write the app so you can use it for custom soundtracks during gameplay on both vita and PS4.

 

[Devilgunman]

Wrong. Wipeout 2048 won't be compatible. Can you guess why? That's right, because it requires the touchscreen. For menus. This is something people just aren't getting. If a Vita game requires the touch screen for anything then it won't be compatible. Absolutely anything.

Not really true. Sony already has a solution for a light touch control (it was mention few pages ago) - you can hold down L3 or R3 to bring up a cursor and use right analog to move it around. This can definitely work for menu navigating in Wipeout. All we know right now is that the game is not supported at the moment but that might change later.

 

[Finalizer]

If Sony made the PS3 portable in 2011 then it would be the exact same platform as the PS3, why would there be less games made for PS3, I really don't know what point you are trying to make here.

That's basically my point - they wouldn't; the whole idea is preposterous. The Vita is in a similar situation, just reversed. I don't see there being particularly less reason to make Vita games now because of this, when if anything I see this as increasing the potential audience for owners of Vita-compatible devices.

 

[BronsonLee]

Really interesting overall. I wonder how the games will look, but either way this is a slick ass device. That Remote Play thing is a nut.

If they hurl Gaikai on this thing (and I'm betting that's what they do), shit just got real very quickly

 

[PaulLFC]

This is dumb. I mean couldn't you use the PS4 for this stuff?

I guess this means the PS4 will be able to play Vita games on it's own too

It doesn't. The PS4 has no way of playing Vita games. This box allows you to:

- Play Vita games using a DS3/DS4 - it's cheaper than a Vita, and works through your TV
- Stream PS4 games to a second TV via remote play
- Supposedly watch other video services such as Hulu, Netflix etc.

 

[Emarv]

This may have been asked, but I wonder if since you can remote play PS4 games in other rooms, can you "Remote Watch" Blu-Rays in other rooms? Not talking about off their ecosystem. Probably not, but curious.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

Fuck awesome. PS4 can stay on the main TV and this can go in my office Hooked up to my gaming monitor.

This is so perfect for me.

 

[Bumhead]

I'm not clear what the selling point is supposed to be beyond its use as a PS4 accessory.

My impression is that it doesn't have one exclusive selling point. More a list of supported features, any one of which might convince someone to buy one.

Personally I'm interested in it for PS4 remote play to a different room and PS1 support. For others, it might be the cheapest way to access the Vita library (subject to improvements in compatibility; I don't think we should jump to conclusions about this just yet) or for someone else it might be the promise of stuff like PS3 streaming through Gaikai down the line.

 

[RedNumberFive]

Fuck awesome. PS4 can stay on the main TV and this can go in my office Hooked up to my gaming monitor.

This is so perfect for me.

My thoughts exactly! I can now use one box for the family room, office, and basement!

 

[omg_mjd]

Very few retail Vita games require no sort of touch interaction. The ones that don't are indies and games that are also available on PS3. If you want to play those games on your tv then buy a PS3 for a similar price point and also have access to loads of PS3 games.

I seem to recall someone saying that as far as Sony is concerned there will be no more resources going to PS3 game development after the PS4 is launched.

So buying a PS3 is cool if all you want is that library (and third-parties will still likely support the platform for quite a while) but for new first-party content, the only two options going forward will be PS4 and Vita(TV).

 

[Oppo]

No patch required, it's already built in to the system.

http://www.jp.playstation.com/psvitatv/faq/

This is not going to be enough to make games like Gravity Rush work, or games like Uncharted GA which require yo to use the camera.

That's nice that there's a fallback, but they should patch those games anyhow

I don't recall a required camera use for Uncharted? There was just the little tilt-aim thing you could do but that was just a frill...?

 

[Drkirby]

Is there any way to output the sound to anther device? I would likely want it hooked up to a monitor, but I don't see a way to rout the sound to head phones or speakers.

 

[Z3M0G]

You could use the DS3 with the PSPgo, I don't know if that one had TV out or not though.

Yes, I used my PSPgo as a PSP home console in the very way this Vita TV is to be used.

 

[Chocolate & Vanilla]

I'll be buying one of these for sure. I've been umming and ahhing over getting a Vita for a while but I struggle with small screens. This is perfect for me and the PS4 remote play is just icing.

 

[paperheart]

If I can use this to play Tearaway on the DS4, I want it.

 

[Dorimukyasuto]

WHAT

I'm sorry, is this real life?
This is cool and all because I guess it will help Vita game sales but I kinda feel a bit baffled.

What they should do is release a Vita system update that would allow us video out and DualShock 3 & 4 support. I'd have no problem buying proprietary cables if I could do video out and use a DualShock.

 

[rjc571]

Not really true. Sony already has a solution for a light touch control (it was mention few pages ago) - you can hold down L3 or R3 to bring up a cursor and use right analog to move it around. This can definitely work for menu navigating in Wipeout. All we know right now is that the game is not supported at the moment but that might change later.

Wow, what a perfect solution! Not.

How Sony could release a set top box console, and fail to release a controller for it which is capable of adequately playing many of the console's games, is absolutely baffling.

 

[$h@d0w]

Vita has a Skype app btw.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

PS4 + Vita TV + PS+ = alot of freaking games.

 

[Devilgunman]

This is dumb. I mean couldn't you use the PS4 for this stuff?

I guess this means the PS4 will be able to play Vita games on it's own too

You really need to re-watch the trailer again.

 

[DidntKnowJack]

WTF did I just wake up to?

Wow. Really didn't see this coming. This is like Sony's Gameboy Micro. (Kind of.)

 

[CaptainTiptop]

Wow, what a perfect solution! Not.

How Sony could release a set top box console, and fail to release a controller for it which is capable of adequately playing many of the console's games, is absolutely baffling.

DualShock 4 will be supported, too.

 

[BasilZero]

Getting this.

When it comes to the US!

 

[BronsonLee]

One caveat though;

They must have real faith in their Remote Play tech for this shit. Like, unequivocal faith.

Cause if it's busted, they're busted.

Also; that Gaikai acquisition looks like the smartest goddamn thing they've ever done if the likely scenario (them putting it on this too) comes to pass.

And someone needs to buy OnLive like nowsterday.