I'm not interested in talking statistics - I'm just asking you if you think women are incapable, or rather if you find it unbelievable for women to commit mass crimes.
GTA V: No female PC; Houser clarifies: "Concept of being masculine was key in story"
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I'm not interested in talking statistics - I'm just asking you if you think women are incapable, or rather if you find it unbelievable for women to commit mass crimes.
Hero_of_the_Day
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He has said he wants to do a game with The Boss as the main character.
But that's what they've always done. Rockstar probably couldn't write female leads even if they wanted to. They aren't doing anything new in the story department, and that's part of why people are complaining. Why they get so much praise as writers is beyond me. The real answer to the question of why they can't put girls in GTA games is because they're incapable of it.
Also, I thought the female option in Saint's Row 3 was well-done, what with having recorded all the dialogue again, and showed that a girl COULD easily be the playable character in a game with a ton of action and there's nothing any more unbelievable about it than if the character was a guy.
So you're intentionally trying to lure him into a trap so you can pounce? Your question has already been answered.
velociraptor
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In a life of crime, yes. Think about prison. The strongest and aggressive inmates are the ones who survive.
Isn't the whole point of the Saints Row games to be as unrealistically over the top and cartoony as humanly possible?
Sectorseven
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"Women mass murderers aren't represented enough in games."
Is that what this thread is implying?
Is that what this thread is implying?
Forgot GTA wasn't a videogame.
Ironically the only one manufacturing outrage is you and others in this thread posting shit like this.
There is a big difference between outrage and disappointment.
velociraptor
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It simply does not reflect reality. So yes, I find it unbelievable for women to commit mass crimes. But whether I find it unbelievable or not does not matter - fact is, women do not commit mass crimes. Mass crimes appear to be exclusively committed by men.
AuthenticM
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Yeah I know, that's why Computer's post perplexed me.
Sapphire Dreams
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Sorry but I think creators have the right to do whatever they want to do with their games. They shouldn't put a female character or a character from another ethnicity just for the sake of diversity, there should be a reason for their inclusion and if you don't like it then you don't have to buy the game.
LOL.
They and a game set in china, this time they should make it a home console release.
gutter_trash
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I rather have characters well developed the way GTAV is approaching, especially with the character Michael than having a no-name generic create-a-character a la Saints Row who just tags along with the side characters.
Screaming Meat
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Not that I think this whole thing is really an issue, there are a number of notorious female gangsters: Enedina Arellano Felix, Griselda "The Cocaine Godmother" Blanco and Rosetta "Ice Eyes" Cutolo.
Just sayin'.
foxuzamaki
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Oh man, did you just set yourself up?
Bastion of character development. Saints Row 3.
SolidSnakex
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Bonnie in RDR alone is better than any of the female characters that you'll find in Saints Row. If Rockstar wanted to make a female lead then that would. If there's one company that really isn't scared to do whatever the hell they want then it's Rockstar.
Broder Salsa
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Yeah, its themes are completely different than GTA's.
I don't see the point of the comparison.
Hero_of_the_Day
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I assume there is more to the GTA5 characters than them being mass murderers.
Don't blame the industry, blame the people who love to get morally offended and outraged at every little thing.
Guarantee the same people who are genuinely bothered by this are the ones who would be complaining if GTA had a female protagonist that was shown being beaten up / tortured, etc in a cutscene.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Of course they can be. But I do think there are some things that only men deal with that have to do with masculinity. Not feeling masculine enough for example.
Palette Swap
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The zombie voiced main character has an amazing character arc.
GTA is pretty damn over the top, as well.
Developers get criticized and asked to explain themselves for lots of shortcomings in their games. Marginalizing 50% of the human race (and game consumers) seems like a fair thing to ask questions about.
Not at all, but it will generate interesting discourse in forums. And the industry was a joke long time ago.
I think he means in the sense of virility's idea in society and the way (some) men feel like they have to live up to that standard of virility.
All three characters seem to approach this concept, in a sense.
Not even in the same league as Saints Row in that regard.
They have a completely different narrative structure, is a silly comparison.
UltimaPooh
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They are fully capable of writing female characters. Yes one has not been the main protagonist yet but they can make strong female characters and weak female characters. The same goes for males as well.
Key word is option. There was no story designed for the female character it was just a palette and voice swap. Nothing about that make the female version unique except now you have a female hitting people with a giant dildo instead of a male.
We all know women are capable of doing such things and I'm all for palette swaps but I feel like a story behind that particular gender choice is better.
Screaming Meat
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She's a big ol' bag 'o' mental.
Fixed for you probably being too old and knowing better.
You are criminal in this game that commits felonies, that is genderless. Aside from Franklin kinda, but why that is is a very long and interesting retrospective, on African American life in the ghetto America.
So you have to be as crazy as Saints Row just to have a female playable character?
Again, it's not like GTA games are realistic to begin with.
So i'm marginalized every time I play a video game that doesn't have a black character? Cool.
DangerStepp
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A female main character in GTA would be bad...
for GAF. The servers would be brought to its knees.
for GAF. The servers would be brought to its knees.
Screaming Meat
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Hero_of_the_Day
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Has there really been any outrage about this? Serious question, 'cause I've seen none. There is a difference between discussing why there are no female characters and "What the fuck!? I'm boycotting this sexist piece of shit of a game!!!!!" outrage.
All I've seen are a few people saying "this could have been cool to have one of the characters be female" and a bunch of people trying to pretend like there is some huge witch hunt going on and getting outraged about that.
Dark Octave
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Yeah, if they ever do a female in GTA she better not be all young, pretty and high matinance. I just can't see that at all and stuff like that is very hard to believe. GTA characters are usually not attractive. Just average at best looking, rough life criminals. Not saying Paris Hilton is pretty or anything but she would not make a believable GTA character.
Actually you are, because most games do not have black characters in them. Most heroes are straite men. Your media has presented to you that most if not all protagonists, or heroic roles. Have to be strait white men. So yes, yes you are.
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Well, no shit. That's exactly the problem that some feminist gamers have with the proliferation of male protagonists. The "concept of masculinity" is key to almost every game's story. Just because the GTA games are smart and satirical doesn't make them an exception to that rule.
That's like saying the GTA games are justified in being so violent because violence is so key to the story. Circular logic, anyone? Sure, they're critical of the culture of violence, but that doesn't mean they don't also take pleasure in and partake in the violence they critique. Same goes for masculinity. Flimsiest excuse I can imagine.
Saint's Row doesn't have a female PC, they have character creation.
All their marketing shows the Boss as a male.
GTA doesn't work with character creation, and while they COULD write a story that has a PC female character, this story is about other themes that evidently need (according to Dan Houser) three males.
But the point is, the comparison with Saint's Row doesn't stand because that game isn't committed to having a female PC, it's committed to having character creation, which is a different concept.
Nice try at twisting my words but no. I'm saying your excuse of "Saints Row does it so GTA should too!" is not valid because they are two very different style of games, and Saints Row is not going for the narrative structure that GTA V is.
As other posters have already pointed out, Rockstar have shown they can write deep and meaningful female characters with previous games. They chose not to for GTA V, and they should have that right without having to explain themselves.
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