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I take an SNRI and haven't had any sexual side effects. Ever considered asking about that? If find it helps with anxiety, depression, irritability and general negative moods.

I am through with so-called medicine.

Sexual side effects, weight gain, and dependence are not overblown side effects when it comes to SSRIs. In fact, you'll find that those things are quite common and a lot of (good) doctors are starting to steer people away from them altogether.
 
I am through with so-called medicine.

Sexual side effects, weight gain, and dependence are not overblown side effects when it comes to SSRIs. In fact, you'll find that those things are quite common and a lot of (good) doctors are starting to steer people away from them altogether.

Been on WellButrin for a year and have't had a problem. Just because there are side effects does not automatically mean you'll have them. They wear off after a while, anyway.

ThisWreckage: Wrong on Obama. Wrong on medication.
 
I am through with so-called medicine.

Sexual side effects, weight gain, and dependence are not overblown side effects when it comes to SSRIs. In fact, you'll find that those things are quite common and a lot of (good) doctors are starting to steer people away from them altogether.

Even if I had all those side effects, (which I don't), it would still be worth it for me. I don't think there's any harm in trying out an SSRI. They can work very well. Maybe you'll be like me and only have very mild side effects.
 
I am through with so-called medicine.

Sexual side effects, weight gain, and dependence are not overblown side effects when it comes to SSRIs. In fact, you'll find that those things are quite common and a lot of (good) doctors are starting to steer people away from them altogether.

Understandable. It doesn't help that not everyone responds to medications the same way- I'm lucky in that I haven't had ANY noticable side effects, but that's probably because I had a high sex drive to begin with and exercise intensely and regularly anyway. For me, I lived a healthy lifestyle but I could not get over the hump that kept my mood down and feeling like shit all the time, mentally.

I know side effects are a pain but I look at medication as a single tool in a large toolkit to improve the quality of my life. I have no intention of being on it forever, and actually have a 2 year goal to slowly go off of it when I plan to try for children.

It feels like the stigmas against medications is becoming just as bad as the ones against mental health issues. It's too bad because depending on the issues and the severity of them, medication really is a necessity for some people (schizophrenia, for example). Side effects are unfortunate but I feel with lifestyle changes (that take a long time to bring about their full effects) many medication side effects can be worked through or minimized. :)
 
Nope. I'm through. I also feel completely validated because I've always said that antidepressants are not a solution. Before you know it, they've got you on three or four different medications to counter act the negative side effects. It's just a way for doctors to peddle pills because a lot of them get a check to push a certain brand. So yes, I'd rather be a shut in than an angry, dizzy mess.
 
Nope. I'm through. I also feel completely validated because I've always said that antidepressants are not a solution. Before you know it, they've got you on three or four different medications to counter act the negative side effects. It's just a way for doctors to peddle pills because a lot of them get a check to push a certain brand. So yes, I'd rather be a shut in than an angry, dizzy mess.

Hey, I'm not trying to convince you. I have had my qualms with medication in the past. I only take one thing and have been fortunate with how I've responded to it. I had tried two other SSRIs before I got to what is working for me now. I have never had a doctor push extra/more pills on me and only recieved this sort of medication when I asked for it to help the way I feel along. I don't treat it as an exclusive solution, simply something that helps along with many other things I do as well. I hope you find more things that help you feel better. :3
 
Hey, I'm not trying to convince you. I have had my qualms with medication in the past. I only take one thing and have been fortunate with how I've responded to it. I had tried two other SSRIs before I got to what is working for me now. I have never had a doctor push extra/more pills on me and only recieved this sort of medication when I asked for it to help the way I feel along. I don't treat it as an exclusive solution, simply something that helps along with many other things I do as well. I hope you find more things that help you feel better. :3

I appreciate the concern, but I am smart enough and old enough to know that some people on this planet will never be happy. I am one of them. I'd have to destroy myself through recreational drug use to feel anything at this point. Sounds like a plan, actually.
 
Nope. I'm through. I also feel completely validated because I've always said that antidepressants are not a solution. Before you know it, they've got you on three or four different medications to counter act the negative side effects. It's just a way for doctors to peddle pills because a lot of them get a check to push a certain brand. So yes, I'd rather be a shut in than an angry, dizzy mess.

I understand that not everyone likes the meds, and there are some serious drawbacks, but you've crossed over from "personal preference" to just out and out lying to support your point. It's telling that you've "always said that antidepressants are not a solution." It clearly wasn't based on experience, as you've done a single short trial with an atypical antidepressant. It's clearly not based on something silly like science, because who needs that when we can make arguments from emotion?

How many people in this thread are on one pill, let alone more than two? I've tried medication therapy for a long time, and I've been on more than one antidepressant exactly once. Your idea that doctors continue to add on meds in some kind of effort to overwhelm side effects has no place in modern medicine.

It is unethical and outright illegal for doctors to receive money for prescribing certain drugs. The law is very clear on this.

Your views and experiences are always welcome here, and meds are an emotional issue, so I understand getting worked up about them. We're still cool. But if you post things that aren't true, I'm going to call you on it.
 
I want to reply to a bunch of stuff and be helpful, but Lyme disease is the fucking worst and the antibiotic makes you feel like crap and I'm tired and miserable and everything is the worst ever and I either want to be put out of my misery OR put to bed after some ice cream (depending on flavor availability).

Get some rest man, curl up in bed with all the ice cream and
watch Buffy
veg out on some good TV. Don't feel bad about taking the time to recover.
 
You obviously haven't done your research because wellbutrin is commonly prescribed to combat the sexual side effects that SSRIs often give people. So yes, it becomes a rabbit hole issue of, "Well, this medication has had negative side effects and what else can we prescribe to combat those?" This is not uncommon whatsoever.

And paying doctors to push certain pills definitely happens. Dr. Drew was allegedly paid over 200K to promote wellbutrin. If it happens on a larger scale then it happens on a smaller scale. But I don't give a shit either way because I'm not buying into the vicious cycle of dependency.
 
If you are not going to take medication, at least see a psychologist. Perhaps a psychologist could help you get past your paranoia. Otherwise, good luck with the untreated mental illness.
 
You obviously haven't done your research because wellbutrin is commonly prescribed to combat the sexual side effects that SSRIs often give people. So yes, it becomes a rabbit hole issue of, "Well, this medication has had negative side effects and what else can we prescribe to combat those?" This is not uncommon whatsoever.

And paying doctors to push certain pills definitely happens. Dr. Drew was allegedly paid over 200K to promote wellbutrin. If it happens on a larger scale then it happens on a smaller scale. But I don't give a shit either way because I'm not buying into the vicious cycle of dependency.

Sometimes it's the battle of finding a doctor who respects the fact that you don't want to be taking a bunch of different medications. It took me 5 years and moving somewhere else before I found a GP that understood I just needed a little extra boost and wanted to try a different medication if I wasn't getting good results instead of adding more to battle side effects.

Dependancy is subjective as well. Again, maybe it's just me but I've stopped taking medications on my own several times when I first tried some things several years ago. I feel it's about slowly reducing the dosage and doing so when you have a good schedule and support around you as you're getting off something.

I'm not going to pay a stranger to wax philosophical. Psychology is one of the biggest modern scams known to man.

I'm sorry you feel so against it and that it hasn't helped you. I honestly have never gotten much out of the one psychologist I've ever spoken to, but I do speak to a counsellor as a release and a safe sounding board that can help give me good advice and a more objective view on my emotional issues and reactions.

Psychology isn't perfect, just like any medical field-- we know very little about the human brain even now. But it's better that there is effort and research being put into trying to improve the quality of life for people with mental illness'. As angry as it might make you, nothing is done in the best way possible to begin with.

Also, am not sure how you equate philosophy with psychology but, eh, /shrug.
 
You obviously haven't done your research because wellbutrin is commonly prescribed to combat the sexual side effects that SSRIs often give people. So yes, it becomes a rabbit hole issue of, "Well, this medication has had negative side effects and what else can we prescribe to combat those?" This is not uncommon whatsoever.

And paying doctors to push certain pills definitely happens. Dr. Drew was allegedly paid over 200K to promote wellbutrin. If it happens on a larger scale then it happens on a smaller scale. But I don't give a shit either way because I'm not buying into the vicious cycle of dependency.

Did... did you come into this thread just to bitch and stir up shit? Because I think you came into this thread just to bitch and stir up shit.
 
How do you want to get better, ThisWreckage?

Like, what exactly do you think can be done to help you?

Because you're kinda runnin' thin on things that could help you out.
 
I'm sorry about all this argument stuff...I just kind of need to vent.

I'm just really on the edge...

Ok I'm done...resume arguing.
 
I appreciate the concern, but I am smart enough and old enough to know that some people on this planet will never be happy. I am one of them. I'd have to destroy myself through recreational drug use to feel anything at this point. Sounds like a plan, actually.

You obviously haven't done your research because wellbutrin is commonly prescribed to combat the sexual side effects that SSRIs often give people. So yes, it becomes a rabbit hole issue of, "Well, this medication has had negative side effects and what else can we prescribe to combat those?" This is not uncommon whatsoever.

And paying doctors to push certain pills definitely happens. Dr. Drew was allegedly paid over 200K to promote wellbutrin. If it happens on a larger scale then it happens on a smaller scale. But I don't give a shit either way because I'm not buying into the vicious cycle of dependency.


I haven't done my research? One of the two of us has done actual research in receptor biology and medicine.

In this very thread, like less than 5 pages back, I've talked about adding Wellbutrin to combat sexual side effects. How that one specific example (and it is a very specific example) supports the idea of people being put on "3-4" medications to mask side effects is beyond me.

I'm not sure Dr. Drew is an example of anything, but the issue there was pushing Wellbutrin to other physicians. Dr. Drew was paid to encourage other doctors to prescribe Wellbutrin. The prescribing physicians still see nothing for writing those prescriptions. Shitty? Sure. But quite different than the pay-per-pill scheme you touted.

Why am I arguing with you? What a waste of time. I just saw your post on psychology.

Good luck getting better.
 
I don't put stock into armchair psychology either.

You've already admitted you only put stock in things never getting better for you, and that you see no value in any medical advances in mental health treatment. Sounds like a heaping serving of depression with a side of finger pointing just because you're angry. Bad form.
 
I'm not going to leave just because you disagree. The world doesn't work like that.

But you're sitting here saying, "I want to get better!"

And when people try to offer you ideas on how to get better you say, "No! Not that! Here's an excuse for why I don't like it and will never do it!"

You don't lose your problems by saying "I don't want to feel like this anymore, but I don't want to do the things needed to do that."

The world doesn't work like that.
 
I'm not going to leave just because you disagree. The world doesn't work like that.

Hey, lots of people aren't a fan of psychology or medication. But to come to a place where people seek support and get all toxic about it is pretty immature. Sorry if it doesn't help you, but if it helps other people what's the need to snap about it in a mental health thread of all places? You sounds dead set on feeling like shit and masking it with substance abuse- if you want help that's fine. If you believe no one here can offer you anything then could you maybe not take your shit out on us for trying to be helpful?

If you want someone to be angry at I don't think this is the right place for it please.
 
How do you want to get better, ThisWreckage?

Like, what exactly do you think can be done to help you?

Because you're kinda runnin' thin on things that could help you out.

I honestly feel there is no hope for me. It's just something I'll have to live with. And that's fine, because I've been in this state for a long time. I don't think anything can be done to help me. That's just being honest. I hope that answers your question.
 
I honestly feel there is no hope for me. It's just something I'll have to live with. And that's fine, because I've been in this state for a long time. I don't think anything can be done to help me. That's just being honest. I hope that answers your question.

Not the "what you get out of shitting on the rest of us" part.
 
I honestly feel there is no hope for me. It's just something I'll have to live with. And that's fine, because I've been in this state for a long time. I don't think anything can be done to help me. That's just being honest. I hope that answers your question.

Well, that's not why we are here, in this thread.

We are here to talk about how we feel and figure out how we can make it so we don't feel this way and support each other. In the most positive manner we can muster up, of course.

Please don't come in here and argue with other users or stir anything up. We're all stressed and depressed and anxious and etc. etc. enough and we don't need it.

There are things that can be done for you, if you were more open to them. But you're not. And that's fine for you. But don't get all angry when someone in here tries to help you or offers an idea of some kind of help for you. It's what we do for each other.
 
I honestly feel there is no hope for me. It's just something I'll have to live with. And that's fine, because I've been in this state for a long time. I don't think anything can be done to help me. That's just being honest. I hope that answers your question.

Hey, I've been depressed. I've felt like there is zero hope for myself (and do on occasion still, sometimes). I've grown up with a schizophrenic mother who I had to be more of a parent of to her than she could be for me. She's on more medications currently then you will probably guess so I am very familiar with the bad side of psychology gone wrong, and uncaring doctors just loading you up with more to make you easier to deal with.

It's not always easy but it's worth it. There is no miracle pill, instant fix. It's a combination of a lot of things that are different for everyone. Sorry you have lost hope in yourself. I hope something gives you a spark back to try things to improve your life, even if they don't make you feel better right away. Change is slow and sometimes you just have to go through the motions and get a good routine going, even if it seems pointless and frustrating at first.
 
So one of the effects of my OCD is that i find it incredibly hard to get thoughts and things out of my head. This extends to music as well. I have a very very tiny music library that I just listen to on repeat, instead of searching out new songs. I do like getting new song recommendations though! Agent Coopers -The cat empire- suggestions and Sadsics -Bibio- stuff has been very nice. Fiction also showed me some good stuff but I can't remember the name right now.

When I find a song I like I will listen to it on repeat for months. It is so hard to break away. So here is MikeDips song of 2013! I've listened to this constantly on loop for months and months.I basically always have it open unless I'm in mumble or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNoKguSdy4Y#t=02m03s

A fun side note, there is a phrase that pops into my head randomly once in a while, and I have no idea why. I'll just be doing whatever, and the phrase "How naked are you?" will enter my head. I can't get rid of it and have no idea where I first heard it, but It's now stuck with me.
 
I'm not going to pay a stranger to wax philosophical. Psychology is one of the biggest modern scams known to man.
I would like to make a snide remark right now, but obviously you need something better than that.
So one of the effects of my OCD is that i find it incredibly hard to get thoughts and things out of my head. This extends to music as well. I have a very very tiny music library that I just listen to on repeat, instead of searching out new songs. I do like getting new song recommendations though! Agent Coopers -The cat empire- suggestions and Sadsics -Bibio- stuff has been very nice. Fiction also showed me some good stuff but I can't remember the name right now.

When I find a song I like I will listen to it on repeat for months. It is so hard to break away. So here is MikeDips song of 2013! I've listened to this constantly on loop for months and months.I basically always have it open unless I'm in mumble or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNoKguSdy4Y#t=02m03s

A fun side note, there is a phrase that pops into my head randomly once in a while, and I have no idea why. I'll just be doing whatever, and the phrase "How naked are you?" will enter my head. I can't get rid of it and have no idea where I first heard it, but It's now stuck with me.
I used to be able to listen a CD for a week straight when I was younger, these days I get tired of albums after a few listens if that.
 
So one of the effects of my OCD is that i find it incredibly hard to get thoughts and things out of my head. This extends to music as well. I have a very very tiny music library that I just listen to on repeat, instead of searching out new songs. I do like getting new song recommendations though! Agent Coopers -The cat empire- suggestions and Sadsics -Bibio- stuff has been very nice. Fiction also showed me some good stuff but I can't remember the name right now.

When I find a song I like I will listen to it on repeat for months. It is so hard to break away. So here is MikeDips song of 2013! I've listened to this constantly on loop for months and months.I basically always have it open unless I'm in mumble or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNoKguSdy4Y#t=02m03s

A fun side note, there is a phrase that pops into my head randomly once in a while, and I have no idea why. I'll just be doing whatever, and the phrase "How naked are you?" will enter my head. I can't get rid of it and have no idea where I first heard it, but It's now stuck with me.

I actually thought it was going to be something different.

I actually thought that.
 
I want to reply to a bunch of stuff and be helpful, but Lyme disease is the fucking worst and the antibiotic makes you feel like crap and I'm tired and miserable and everything is the worst ever and I either want to be put out of my misery OR put to bed after some ice cream (depending on flavor availability).

I know how you feel buddy. I was on a cocktail of antibiotics for 6 months during treatment(pills, mouthwashes that you spit AND swallow, slow dissolving caps that take 30 minutes to dissolve, etc etc), and I JUST got off my last antibiotic last month(bactrim DS) and I know how miserable it can feel. I dont know what antibiotic is used for lyme disease, but I wouldnt be surprised if its similar. Get ice cream, get fat, best medicine imo.

Stick a boot up lyme disease's ass!

EDIT: Quick Lionheart secret for you. When I try to pump myself up, I listen to Ken's theme from Street Fighter 2. Ive been doing it since I was in elementary school.

I even recorded my own version of the song: http://youtu.be/wBPAOKhG9zY but the Turbo HD remix version is way better than mine: http://youtu.be/2qCeZrRq080

I'm sorry about all this argument stuff...I just kind of need to vent.

I'm just really on the edge...

Ok I'm done...resume arguing.

*gives Collette a hug*

I actually thought it was going to be something different.

I actually thought that.

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I swear that if my father talks to me about school again, I'm going to snap. We had another talk last night (no yelling but plenty of bullshit) and it has been playing over and over again in my head all day long. Just spent the last 45 minutes driving home having various imaginary conversations with him and what not. Thank goodness I see my psychologist tomorrow.
 
I've been trying to stay positive lately. I've been trying to force myself to stop having depression meltdowns. I've been successful at it so far, but man it's really exhausting.
 
The engraved score to "Shattered Mind" sits to my right. There's so many emotions involved in the piece. Just hearing it fills me with turmoil. I wrote it during the worst month of my life (June 2013) and not only did I not believe I'd finish it but I also firmly believed that it would be the last thing I ever wrote. I was mostly bedridden in June and I remember forcing myself out of bed in that terrible pain, crawling over to the piano, writing a few measures and then crawling back into bed. Day after day, this went on. Obviously, the engraved score shows no traces of the anguish involved but the composition sketch certainly does. There are entire pages which look like a bomb went off. Page 4 is especially bad, line after line clearly erased and rewritten, the pencil marks strained and weak. I was going to kill myself after it was finished, the natural culmination of a decade of shattered dreams and misery.

Obviously, that didn't happen. And I ended up writing several pieces after it (with several others in an unfinished state). "Shattered Mind" was the first piece I'd finished in ten years and it ended up opening up a floodgate of pieces that are similarly thorny but deliberately less ambitious. "Shattered Mind" remains the pinnacle of my compositional career, the piece I'm proudest of. If I ever performed it, I have no idea how I'd introduce it to the audience. The harmonic language of the piece is tonal but dissonant so it's not entirely inaccessible. I still maintain a melodic core throughout the work (as that's just how I roll) but the music is very raw. It makes a lot of the people who've heard it very uncomfortable. My mom hates it. I remember when she and and her friend Karen came over a few weeks ago and Karen was looking over the score. She read aloud some of the expression markings. At the very end, I wrote, "Slowly, like death" and I could see my mom's lips pursing. She's never really understood the mindset of the artist, how we create from nothing what we know, what we're experiencing and feeling.

I dedicated "Shattered Mind" to Bagels, which blew him away. I don't think either of us have quite grasped the ramifications of that decision, given how extremely personal that piece is to me. It was just a gut feeling, that he deserved that dedication, a sense that a particularly strong kinship was developing. Two months later, I recognize it was absolutely the right choice.

A week ago, I put the finishing touches on the "Prelude for the End of the World", my most ambitious piece since "Shattered Mind." It's tonally similar, maybe a little less dark (if you can believe that). I write in the description that "it depicts the end of life, whether you know your life is ending or you merely think your life is ending." That sounds about right. It's a dirge of death, a topic very much on my mind these days. The "Prelude for a Straitjacket" was composed a few months ago and then there's the three other Preludes in a various state of completion. The "Prelude for the End of Hope," "Prelude for Inner Turbulence" and finally, the "Prelude for D-GAF", which will complete the set, my Preludes depicting the summer of 2013.

I don't really know where I'm going. The "Prelude for the End of Hope" is a very literal interpretation of my current mindset (which is why I'm working on it now). I've tried every avenue of treatment available to me. The drugs barely put a dent in the symptoms (but then, I wasn't expecting them to). Alternative treatments can be useful but they're too expensive to do regularly. What's left is the very vague hope that some day, somewhere, some researcher in a very dark room will come up with the magic bullet. And unfortunately, that may not come in time for me. I take comfort in knowing that progress marches on and the people after me will not have to suffer like I did. In the meantime, there's some music to write. I want to claim that I finished at least one last thing.
 
... What's left is the very vague hope that some day, somewhere, some researcher in a very dark room will come up with the magic bullet. And unfortunately, that may not come in time for me. I take comfort in knowing that progress marches on and the people after me will not have to suffer like I did. In the meantime, there's some music to write. I want to claim that I finished at least one last thing.

I don't think I can really express how your post made me feel so an image will have to make a poor substitute.
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I can't sleep. There's too much going through my head. It's one of those nights, combined with being sick and not taking to the antibiotics too well.

As usual, everything that jb says gives me lots to think about, and kicks my mind into higher gear. I've been working on this big post about jb and having healthy relationships and all this stuff (too much stuff, as usual) for over a week now, and maybe it's time to try to actually make it into something. I've snipped a bunch of stuff that was either too personal or belongs in another post. I'm tying to keep my epic word counts slightly lower.

-snipped a bunch of stuff-

I talk to jb in chat, on twitter, by text, or on our voice chat almost every day. And I was going through how awful this whole thing was after I got the Lyme Diseases diagnosis. And he was being the great friend that he is and listening and being appropriately sympathetic and, man, could I be a bigger asshole?

[Disclaimer: So this next part is the "but others have it worse, so you can't talk!" fallacy. It's a bad way to think, but we all get that way from time to time. It really hit me here because the comparison between Lyme Disease and fibromyalgia is so direct. The first is treatable, easily diagnosed, treated as "real," etc. Fibromyalgia is very hard to diagnose or treat, and isn't even considered a legitimate illness by many people. If you're going to choose one, pick Lyme Disease :P Me feeling bad for talking about my "lesser" illness and him possibly complaining to me because he has it worse are both terrible attitudes that we need to work to overcome in here sometimes. I *know* my thinking here was toxic, but I still have this feeling that I should not have dumped on jb like I did.]

I spent basically a few weeks living with the kind of things he has gone through for years, and here he is feeling all sorry for *me*! And I'm saying bullshit like, "my big fear was that the tests would be negative and no one would believe I'm sick and I wouldn't know what to do!" - which is basically his exact situation - and he could not have been kinder and happier for me and all the rest. At no point did he tell me to go fuck myself, which was surely justified. So we talked and I felt better, and then I felt a lot worse because I could not have been more self-centered. I know he'd kill to have something that a few antibiotics, nasty as they are, would clear up. God, I'm just sorry I wasn't a little more aware. A little less self-centered?

But man, what a friend. I needed someone to talk to, and jb is always there for me. Even if the topic is something that hits close to home, like this, and I'm complaining about having it much easier than him, which I was, like the douche I am, he still makes me feel like all he cares about is how I'm doing. I absolutely love him for it.

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We talk about "Shattered Mind" a lot, as it means a great deal to both of us. I've gone through the story with him maybe 10 times now, but I never get tired of it. There are many stories there actually, but one I like is how the piece was originally dedicated to "Bagels," and is now dedicated to my actual full name, and jb doesn't call me either of those things today. I like the formality of having a serious piece of music dedicated to my actual full name, but when jb gets a chance to perform it, and if he mentions who it's dedicated to, I think he knows what I'd like him to say.

It’s a silly story, and I’ve told it to a few of you already, but I’ll tell it again anyways. I guess it's no great secret around here that my real name is not, in fact, Bagels (much as I’d like that to be the case - I've grown quite fond of being called Bagels). I go through streaks of sending PMs to people who seem like they need someone to talk to in this thread, and I usually sign my real name, as a a little sign of trust. So here's how jb and I kinda met:

Hey!
Hang in there, man!

If you ever need to talk, I'm at my parents' place right not, but I'll get your PMs.

We're all in this together.

Peter


All my life, people have asked if I want to go by ‘Pete’ or ‘Peter’ (both of which I actually dislike). I strongly prefer ‘Peter,’ but I didn’t really have an explanation for why I hated ‘Pete’ so much more until just a few years ago. When I go to Maine, where I’m surrounded by people who are officially and unofficially my family, people who I love more than anything, and have known all my life, EVERYONE calls me Pete, and I love it! It took me years to even notice (I had my best friend come to Maine 3 years ago, and she called me Peter at the time, because that's what I told everyone I go by. But she was literally the only person doing it, so she finally screwed up and called me Pete and it totally fit and felt right. We laughed, and I told her to keep doing it, and it ended up meaning a lot to both of us). I finally figured out that the people who have always called me Pete are my closest loved ones. When someone I just met does it, it feels way over the line to me. That’s what my mom and dad call me, and it feels so affectionate. Why is this random stranger doing it?!

So I figured that out and thought about it for a while. Now I end up giving this little speech to people when I feel a certain closeness to them. I tell them they can call me Pete. And it may seem like a small thing, but to me, it’s really not. It's saying, “we’re family.” So if I’ve said that to you, or signed a letter ‘Pete,’ it’s a quick way to know how I feel about you. I don't say it to a lot of people.

The funny thing is, Pete is actually a better name than Peter in many ways. Peter is more formal, so people all tend to say it the same way. But Pete is a nickname, and it's easier to put different inflections on it. So I've been called Pete in this really diminutive, "I don't respect you" way, or a flat "this is your name" way, or in this special way that my family does it that just kills me.

I'm still more comfortable being Bagels than I am Pete to my friends, but it's slowly getting there, and it still means a lot to me to tell people they can call me Pete. Most people still call me Bagels when we voice chat, which is just fine by me. I'm still more comfortable seeing it in writing, but whatever. Anyway, we all go by our internet handles on our mumble server for the most part, but jb constantly slips and calls me Pete and I laugh every damn time. I dunno, it just feels right. I know he has taken to heart what that silly gesture means to me - he is like a brother to me, more so every day. So when he asks, "How far are you in Ys, Pete?" I dunno, I feel like it means a great deal to both of us.

I've been struggling for a long time to figure out how to tell jb what he means to me, and maybe that's the best I can do. I've given a handful of people the option to call me Pete, like my family does. Jb is the first person outside of my actual family where, if he called me Peter, I'd fucking hate it.

So many of you have come to mean so much to me. Between an earlier tweet and his post, messages have been flying back and forth about jb all day. I don't know if there's anything better than seeing the people you care about care about each other.


Hey jb!
Hang in there, man!

If you ever need to talk, you know how to find me.

We're in this together.

Love,
Pete
 
I talk to jb in chat, on twitter, by text, or on our voice chat almost every day. And I was going through how awful this whole thing was after I got the Lyme Diseases diagnosis. And he was being the great friend that he is and listening and being appropriately sympathetic and, man, could I be a bigger asshole? I spent basically a few weeks living with the kind of things he has gone through for years, and here he is feeling all sorry for *me*! And I'm saying bullshit like, "my big fear was that the tests would be negative and no one would believe I'm sick and I wouldn't know what to do!" - which is basically his exact situation - and he could not have been kinder and happier for me and all the rest. At no point did he tell me to go fuck myself, which was surely justified.

Hmmm, it's all becoming clear now. Here we are talking or posting about our problems to others when there's all these starving kids in Africa going through much worse who could tell us to go fuck ourselves.
I'm sure there's a moral to this story somewhere!
 
Hmmm, it's all becoming clear now. Here we are talking or posting about our problems to others when there's all these starving kids in Africa going through much worse who could tell us to go fuck ourselves.
I'm sure there's a moral to this story somewhere!

I realize it's the starving kids in Africa fallacy, but in this case, it's like I'm complaining to the starving African kids about how I forgot my wallet and had to skip lunch.

The moral of the story is just that jb is a great friend for listening and caring as I complained about having a problem that is very much a markedly milder version of what he has been going through for far longer. He only compared our problems insofar as he empathized with me and wanted to discuss our shared experience. Plenty of other people would have said, "Bagels, take your antibiotics and shut the fuck up!"
 
I think it's time for a big group hug guys. Bring it in everyone, but no inappropriate touching.

/hug
 
I realize it's the starving kids in Africa fallacy, but in this case, it's like I'm complaining to the starving African kids about how I forgot my wallet and had to skip lunch.

It's always funny when people acknowledge something and then throw in a but :)

But maybe we should only let suicidal posters post here since for everyone else it's like they're complaining about smaller problems to people that have bigger problems. Amirite?
 
It's always funny when people acknowledge something and then throw in a but :)

But maybe we should only let suicidal posters post here since for everyone else it's like they're complaining about smaller problems to people that have bigger problems. Amirite?

Man, why you gotta go after a man with Lyme disease like that? It's damn cold, heidern. Can't we focus on me trying to say lovely things about another poster and gloss over the part that was stupid? That part is probably due to the Lyme Disease coursing through my body.

And guess who is getting his lovely things post cancelled? Here's a hint - he has been mean to Bagels, his name rhymes with yours, and he looks a lot like you. Because he is you. You poop.
 
It's always funny when people acknowledge something and then throw in a but :)

But maybe we should only let suicidal posters post here since for everyone else it's like they're complaining about smaller problems to people that have bigger problems. Amirite?

While it's true that depression is irrational and as such you can't really compare cases against each other, this is a _slightly_ different case. I know Bagels and Jb fairly well (although not nearly as well as I would like). What Bagels means by that comment is that he (in hindsight) just feels like crap complaining and attention-whoring about something fairly minor while Jb is more or less bláse about his own condition and isn't nearly as public about it. Basically he is just trying to be humble and nice and it's not really working since he's a big poophead who thinks I'm unsympathetic.
 
It's always funny when people acknowledge something and then throw in a but :)

But maybe we should only let suicidal posters post here since for everyone else it's like they're complaining about smaller problems to people that have bigger problems. Amirite?
Oh, shut the hell up.

Getting kind of sick of the people coming up in here trying to be total asshats about everything.

This thread isn't for you to pick apart someone's post (which had jack shit to do with you, anyway) in some passive aggressive smiley-face-amirite manner. Be respectful or get out.
 
So what the hell is this SAWAP thing I keep reading?

Wow! What is going on in here? So much anger...



Stay as well as possible..

Hopefully angry times are over for a bit.

SAWAP is our unofficial motto around here. I need to dig out the cartoon it's from, again. A lot of us really like what it expresses, but yeah, plenty of people have no idea what it means.

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Credit goes to Swecide for finding that particular comic and sharing it.
 
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