GAF, I'm 100% sure I'm getting friendzoned on Monday

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The fuck? So HE does? He doesn't enjoy the company, that's a beta statement if I ever saw one. No guy is ever just friends with a girl he's physically attracted to, and any girl that's aware of this and still wants him as a friend after SCHEDULING an "I'll explain why [not]" reunion (the fucking nerve) doesn't deserve the benefits of a friendship.

He's distancing for himself. Only a self-rightous, misguided beta would think of her feelings before his own. Yeah, sure, let him go into that self-destructive, powerless path of unrequited "love"!

He needs to snap out of this infatuation. He needs to see that just like this girl, there are hundreds more. He doesn't have to back away like a douche, just simply state why civilly. Going to this scheduled meeting willingly, knowing the inevitable, is just clinging to a desperate hope that will just make it even harder for him to get back on his feet.

Also, nice of you sending a low self-esteem guy to a reunion where this girl will inevitably crush his hopes and dreams with words sugar-coated in "friendship", " need time", "it's not you it's me's", "other guy", "we can still hang out though!", etc., all for OUR entertainment, right? Because we need the update.

Talk about bullshit advice.

This right here.

Let the OP get over the infatuation first. He can always hit her up out of the blue a month or two later when he's moved on and ready to start a friendship again.

A lot y'all are so obsessed over this girls feelings when it's the OP who is in a bad spot emotionally. Shaming him to go to a 'date' (I can't believe some people are calling it a date) where he will feel even more humiliated is backwards advice.

Allow yourself some healing time OP away from the girl.
 
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Stop this.
 
Haha I don't know if you're be serious or not but this is a very entertaining post.

Look, he hasn't known her too long, and he really does enjoy her company. She wants to explain herself, and he wants to listen.

Thinking of yourself in an internal alpha/beta battle is reckless and prone to unleash your insecurities in all kinds of unproductive ways when you finally do fall in love.

Until that day, be civilized and manage your emotions well enough to move on without being abrupt, insecure, or hurtful.

I see nothing here that's not what I said. Also, funny how it's entertaining, and yet nothing's been counter-argued. I guess it's both funny and unarguable to you, and I can live with that.

What is that you want from OP though? You want him to stay friends with a girl he's physically attracted to? How is that emotionally and mentally stable? It's a self-destructive path, in which this girl will follow this poor fellow along. She'll want him there for moral support, be he'll be there clinging to something that will never be.

We are animals. Go read up on ethology and come back to me. Beta/Alpha are not made up words to describe the nice guy/bad boy, they are indeed social constructs. But these are moldable, and OP has a chance to snap out of his infatuation by distancing from her. Something only an Alpha does naturally. He just has to do it through encouragement.

He's not becoming an Alpha, he's simply borrowing its good traits.

There's no life manual for when you truly fall in love. When you fall in love, Alpha or Beta, that person will fall in love for who you naturally are. The task at hand is not letting OP believe this is it. And that probably won't happen any time soon. He comes first for himself, then others. Going to this meeting to listen to her doesn't make him "understanding", it will make him clingy, because she will offer a friendship his hopeful self simply cannot resist: being "good" friends with the girl he's physically attracted to until the off-chance she changes her mind.

Also note how I didn't tell him not to be friends with her. His distancing is nothing but a tool to help him get over her; to take him back a few notches if you will, to the level of relationship she can only accept. Having unbalanced expectations, the relationship is only recipe for failure, both physically and emotionally.


Where did I imply that?


He said he wants to remain friends with the girl. If it's going to cause him heartache he should explain that that to the girl before taking his leave. She would understand. I've had people just ignore me because I rejected them, and it's really rude. I've had more people become very cherished friends of mine after I explained that I was already in a relationship. They have girlfriends (I've even set some of them up) and we all hang out and it's great. Friendships can work, and I don't see a reason to just throw it away because the internet said that it's beta to befriend a woman. If he can't be friends with her then he should just tell her that and not be friends and that's fine. If he can get over his feelings and be friends why not? It's going to be hard ignoring her if they study together and hang out with the same group.




All the beta insults are making your argument kind of incoherent. I know there's a point int there somewhere but it all just reads like "you're a wuss if you meet up with this girl tomorrow and/or want to be her friend!"

Oh, good. Nice of you to agree with me, but disagree with two words I used. If I change "beta" in my previous comment with another word, will that make you feel better?

Those who associate being Beta or Alpha to positive or negative social constructs are damn wrong to assume so, because that's not what they are. Just don't think those terms were made up to affront socially-inept guys; to the contrary, they were made to describe, not insult. We are nothing but evolved apes, still subject to an eusocial framework. He's not becoming an Alpha, he's merely borrowing useful Alpha traits that come naturally to others. He'll still be who he is.
 
You wanna know what I think?

Don't go. Nothing good will come from it, and the humiliation will haunt you for the rest of your life. Once a woman believes she is superior to you, she will never like you. You're already done, son.

Don't go, and preserve your dignity.
 
Most people (men and women) know if there is chemistry almost immediately. If you are a month in and she doesn't have it with you the chances of it suddenly appearing are practically zero. Sorry. Next time you meet a girl who you like start flirting, complementing, and make your intentions clear right away. I don't expect you to trust a stranger on the internet but at least give it some consideration. Good luck in the future.
 
Met this girl who's doing the same course as me at Uni about a month ago and fell hard for her. She was the first girl I've ever fell for and because we shared plenty of the same interests(games) we became friends immediately but there's this other guy in our course who she's also friends with and he's closer to her than me and has broken the touch barrier far more often.

Anyway her birthday was on Saturday(That's yesterday for me now, it'll still be Saturday for most of you) and I planned a surprise birthday party for her on Friday. So I came early, gave her the gift she wanted and we hugged. So at this point, I couldn't wait anymore and told her how I felt about her. We talked and laughed and I was pleased she seemed really positive about it all and I told her to think about it before we were interrupted by that other guy.

So throughout the day we were still talking and joking and in my naivete I thought things were going great and a yes was forthcoming as soon as we managed to get alone. But by the end of the day I kinda sensed that it wasn't going that way and when I reminded her of what I asked she simply told me "I'll tell you why tonight." That kind of hit me hard and I was pretty hurt then.

So then I said my goodbyes after which we hugged again and I went home. We chatted a bit on Facebook, and she gave me all the signals that she was gonna say no while still joking and talking about games(she also noticed that I looked sad towards the end earlier) but never explicitly stated so. She finally asked me to meet her for drinks on Monday so she could explain everything(her literal words) and I agreed.

I'm not even sure what I'm asking or why I'm posting this, a part me(hell probably all of me) still sees a tiny chance to make this work. I think I'll have to tell her that I'll not hang out with her as often and want some time apart from each other. This isn't because I don't enjoy her company anymore,I really do. But seeing her with this other guy(even though they're not dating yet, I'm certain their going to) just hurts too much. I also got some advice that distancing yourself is kinda important to anyone wanting to escape the friendzone. I don't think I'll stop loving her if we continue hanging out, I just keep being reminded of why I love her every time we're together.

I guess I've done goofed here. And I know I might sound pathetic or a 'beta bitch' and that I should man up and move on but damn It's just so fucking difficult GAF. I really love this girl. I guess I'll keep you updated about what happens after this.

I see your problem.
 
You wanna know what I think?

Don't go. Nothing good will come from it, and the humiliation will haunt you for the rest of your life. Once a woman believes she is superior to you, she will never like you. You're already done, son.

Don't go, and preserve your dignity.

re stated again and again, GAF thinks the entire universe will hinge on this outcome on monday, but it doesn't matter what OP does or saids his mind is set and probably the girls too.

and then there's this other guy whos probably "getting it in" as all of GAF ponders the fate of the OP.

do it OP if you want your suffering to be more severe and possibly hers too.

but one day you will come to realize that in the world of dating and relationships nothing makes logical sense and everything is a mindgame/fuck

I mean who knows she may confess her love for you saying that her other guy beats her or something and will latch on to you like a leech and use you as a emotional tampon keeping you around with the lure of sex but keeping it just far as away as to give you a glimmer of Hope.

hope is dangerous

break the touch barrier OP
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start stroking her face with your backhand and slowly and see what happens and go from there.

if all out fails, release the ricin
 
Ahh, young "love". You have a crush on her, she doesn't return those feelings, so time to move on.
 
It's a descriptor. It works as such. You can argue that using the term is "beta", it's a useful differentiator for guys that need to understand why girls don't like them the way they like the girl. Being friends doesn't lead to a romantic relationship. This 'nice guy' fallacy is one that insecure guys cling to, because they feel it's logical that girls like them if they're nice. That does fall into the way you say they feel women 'owe' them sex. I don't think it's the case for OP, and I think the "friendzone" concept is a way to conceptualize that fact that if you aren't a romantic interest for a woman, just being a friend for them won't change that. I think the "friendzone" is a problem for guys that think being friends means ending up with something romantic. I'm sure there are tons of guys with good friendships with girls, that if they did decide to go for something more, would be able to build something. As such, "friendzone" is when the girl pulls away when the guy pushes.

That's why OP pulling will create a nice push-pull, that might spark an emotional reaction in this girl. Friendzone is only "everlasting" as much as the behaviour that makes the girl choose to be friends with OP continues to exist.

I don't think there's anything shallow (or recent) about "friendzone". It's a concept that's at least 20 years old. Joey of Friends, as an example, uses it in a very early episode to describe Ross' relationship to Rachel. It's a meaningful term to describe that you've done something wrong in your process of trying to swoon this girl, and your time would be better spent elsewhere, plus being cautious not to be 'used' by some girls that do that type of things to 'friendzoned' guys. So yeah, it's a shallow, but very meaningful concept. But that's the way of all things.
It's a sexist term born out of entitlement and emotional immaturity. Just don't use it.
 
OP should have watched to 500 Days of Summer
Just because some cute girl likes the same weird crap that you do, doesn't mean she's your soulmate.

Just be friends with her, or don't it doesn't really matter to me; if you feel you can't live without being in a relationship with her then you need to take a mental step back.
 
OP should have watched to 500 Days of Summer
Just because some cute girl likes the same weird crap that you do, doesn't mean she's your soulmate.

Just be friends with her, or don't it doesn't really matter to me; if you feel you can't live without being in a relationship with her then you need to take a mental step back.

I'll be the only person to say it on GAF, but relationships are vastly over-rated compared to the attention every source of media and the internet gives it.

it's great but, you have to deal with the realities of it all.

http://thoughtcatalog.com/2011/ten-reasons-why-being-in-a-relationship-sucks/

if you've never been in one, you'll find out for yourself
 
Sexist? Lol wut!

You don't think it's sexist to think "I was too nice to her, and that's why she doesn't like me. Her rejecting me isn't a reflection on my personality, it's a reflection of the society we live in where girls only go after bastards who treat them poorly".
 
Agreed with the few posts above. Should be noted that OP admitted this is his first ever crush. He needs to stay away from this girl.
 
You don't think it's sexist to think "I was too nice to her, and that's why she doesn't like me. Her rejecting me isn't a reflection on my personality, it's a reflection of the society we live in where girls only go after bastards who treat them poorly".

Edit.
 
Your blaming society now? Sheesh... Your the one who sounds sexist. "Girls go after bastards because society told them so!" Get real.

Please note my quite apparent use of quotation marks.
 
It implies women owe you something because you were nice to them.

Consider the reverse where women keep getting sexzoned by men who they thought were fun to hang out with.

You don't think it's sexist to think "I was too nice to her, and that's why she doesn't like me. Her rejecting me isn't a reflection on my personality, it's a reflection of the society we live in where girls only go after bastards who treat them poorly".

And what when women use it in reference to men friendzoning them?
 
can anyone see this as ultimately the result of simple human evolution.

this is all instinctually hardwired (even the "friendzone")

for a male (everything is sex) lets not deny this the ultimate goal for any man is to pass on his genetic info and replicate it as many times as humanly possible.

for a female (it's about choosing the best candidate for sex, to provide, protect and care for future off spring) it would benefit her to find as many suitable fallback males as possible in case the first one goes awol.

hence you have fallout between the two sexes.

it's just the natural order of things GAF
 
Obviously personal anecdotal examples don't count. So I will ask you if I could show you a documented case study (can't believe you're asking for examples lol) would you say the woman was using a sexist term? Yes or no.
Yes, though I think you're trying to make a particular point in a vacuum where internalized misogyny doesn't exist. The term friendzone was created and popularized by men in regards to women rejecting men.
 
Yes, though I think you're trying to make a particular point in a vacuum where internalized misogyny doesn't exist. The term friendzone was created and popularized by men in regards to women rejecting men.

I couldnt care less how it was popularized. Both sexes use it as a defense mechanism to explain why the person they are interested in doesn't share said interest. If you want to go all 'IT'S SEXIST!!' that's your right. I'll simply see it for what it is without having to throw in any ism's.
 
It's a descriptor. It works as such. You can argue that using the term is "beta", it's a useful differentiator for guys that need to understand why girls don't like them the way they like the girl.

What?

Being friends doesn't lead to a romantic relationship.

What?

That's why OP pulling will create a nice push-pull, that might spark an emotional reaction in this girl. Friendzone is only "everlasting" as much as the behaviour that makes the girl choose to be friends with OP continues to exist.

What?

This way of thinking about human relationships (and about women!) is so mind-bogglingly fucked up.

You know what "works" in real life? Being a good person, acting like yourself, and interacting with other people like a normal human being.
 
Claims all media depicts relationships wrong.

Posts Buzzfeed list about relationships.

never mentioned it was wrong, just over-rated as the end all be all solve all solution to almost everything.

it's great being in a relationship, but it's also great to be carefree, single, non-committed and just not having to worry about another person in general.

maybe it's a good thing OP gets "friendzoned" (I hate that terminology)
He'll learn from it and make up his mind and his decide his best course of action.
 
What?



What?



What?

This way of thinking about human relationships (and about women!) is so mind-bogglingly fucked up.

You know what "works" in real life? Being a good person, acting like yourself, and interacting with other people like a normal human being.

That's exactly what he just said. In your scenario, acting like yourself will not guarantee that X girl is going to like you back, in which case you move on. Beta, among other things, usually describes those who find it hard to do so, while Alphas do it naturally.

Being Beta or Alpha, is not some kind of unchangeable psychological archetype. It's a social structure that's modifiable. You don't become "Alpha" by not being a good person or not being normal, and your implication that that's case just goes to show how good of a job society has done in burying simple ethological terms under the nice guy/bad guy roles.

You people have no idea what you're talking about.
 
ITT I learned that "friend zone" is a sexist and misogynist term rather than simply describing a situation in which someone considers you just a friend with no romantic aspirations (current or future), even though you may feel otherwise.
 
ITT I learned that "friend zone" is a sexist and misogynist term rather than simply describing a situation in which someone considers you just a friend with no romantic aspirations (current or future), even though you may feel otherwise.

Don't listen to those people. They're being absolutely ridiculous.

"Friendzone" is a completely harmless and, above all, gender-neutral term. As a gay man, I have done my fair share of friendzoning and being friendzoned. And, believe it or not, many heterosexual women often find themselves being friendzoned by men they're attracted to. Crazy, right?

Being friendzoned is a completely harmless way to describe the dynamic between two people where one party is completely oblivious to the attractions of the other person and merely views them as a friend. Attempting to apply a gender requirement here and getting trapped in that argument just degrades the discussion.
 
ITT I learned that "friend zone" is a sexist and misogynist term rather than simply describing a situation in which someone considers you just a friend with no romantic aspirations (current or future), even though you may feel otherwise.
No matter your intentions, it's probably best not to be using terms adopted and reenforced by bitter men's rights activists.

Also consider that the term implies there are methods to follow to get a woman to be into you, meaning you don't value their humanity and that their own personal feelings and choices are irrelevant. It gets into a gross territory where there's a distrust and rejection of the word "no."
 
No matter your intentions, it's probably best not to be using terms adopted and reenforced by bitter men's rights activists.

Also consider that the term implies there are methods to follow to get a woman to be into you, meaning you don't value their humanity and that their own personal feelings and choices are irrelevant. It gets into a gross territory where there's a distrust and rejection of the word "no."


LOL!
 
No matter your intentions, it's probably best not to be using terms adopted and reenforced by bitter men's rights activists.

Also consider that the term implies there are methods to follow to get a woman to be into you, meaning you don't value their humanity and that their own personal feelings and choices are irrelevant. It gets into a gross territory where there's a distrust and rejection of the word "no."

No. Not at all. Not even a little bit.

You are projecting your own interpretation onto the term and then using that as a means to accuse people of sexism when, in reality, there's nothing inherently sexist about using that term. Nor is there gender even implied. This whole thing is completely silly.
 
No. Not at all. Not even a little bit.

You are projecting your own interpretation onto the term and then using that as a means to accuse people of sexism when, in reality, there's nothing inherently sexist about using that term. This whole thing is completely silly.
It's not my interpretation. It's the generally accepted one. The problem with men tricking women into thinking they're just friends because the guy actually only wants to bone is pretty common and frustrating.
 
It's not my interpretation. It's the generally accepted one. The problem with men tricking women into thinking they're just friends because the guy actually only wants to bone is pretty common and frustrating.

I understand that, and that is a problem, but none of that is actually implied by the term "friendzoned."

ANYONE and EVERYONE can be friendzoned, and it happens often to EVERYONE. Men may use the term more often, but that's just a symptom of the fact that we still live in a society where men are socially expected to be the pursuers/instigators in a relationship. But that alone doesn't make friendzoned a "gendered" term. A girl/gay man will just as easily use the phrase when they're attracted to someone who only regards them in a platonic sense, and it doesn't mean anything less or different in those cases.
 
No. Not at all. Not even a little bit.

You are projecting your own interpretation onto the term and then using that as a means to accuse people of sexism when, in reality, there's nothing inherently sexist about using that term. Nor is there gender even implied. This whole thing is completely silly.

Yep and he routinely does this. White knighting even though most women I have seen on GAF and in public arent even offended by the term. Seems to me that dude has issues.
 
Am I the only one who thinks the term "friendzoned" has an undeserved sense of entitlement to it? That's why I don't like it.

To clarify, I mean it seems like when a guy uses the term to describe his relationship with a girl, they exude a sense of entitlement because of how they went about pursuing the girl. I dunno. It comes off as "she denied my advances even though they were supposed to work and now I'm in the friendzone."
 
Don't listen to those people. They're being absolutely ridiculous.

"Friendzone" is a completely harmless and, above all, gender-neutral term. As a gay man, I have done my fair share of friendzoning and being friendzoned. And, believe it or not, many heterosexual women often find themselves being friendzoned by men they're attracted to. Crazy, right?

Being friendzoned is a completely harmliess way to describe the dynamic between two people where one party is completely oblivious to the attractions of the other person and merely views them as a friend. Attempting to apply a gender requirement here and getting trapped in that argument just degrades the discussion.

This. People are ridiculous.
 
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