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[WickedCobra03]

You are paying $500 for new hardware that is running at resolutions of machines that are seven years old. It's 2013. For even shitty low-end, mid-range PC's, 720p is like low settings. I agree with you that gameplay is king, but for $500 I expect new hardware to out perform the hardware I have now.

Basically this. And with the PS4 seemingly having a hardware advantage for the core gamers for $100 less seems to be a better choice at this point.

I am glad MS has been getting blasted after last gen, they got incredibly arrogant and bloated.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Ah but japan only? Still waiting out on Black Friday. I'm sure there will be a system bundle somewhere.

Same, but I'm waiting to buy PS4+Vita next year. Hopefully next year black Friday I'll be able to nab a bundle for $499.

So we're back to "Xbox720" nickname ?

I'm ok with this.

Progress.

 

[EatinOlives]

Nobody is saying graphics don't matter but is just one part of what goes into making a game.

Yes graphics do matter but is not the deciding factor for me. Yes it is obvious that the PS4 will have the graphics edge but I don't think it will be that big of a difference and because your console is capable of better graphics doesn't mean Sony will automatically win the next gen.

If graphics was the only deciding factor than you should buy a high end PC and upgrade it anually to make sure you can run the latest games at the highest possible settings.

Again, you're employing the graphics matter/graphics don't matter double standard. Trumpet the XB1's graphics while at the same time downplay the difference of the PS4. They're great and much better than the 360, great reason to own an XB1, but if the competitor has more horsepower then woah there, stop nitpicking! Graphics don't make or break a game! Trying to have your cake and eat it too.

 

[Drek]

Hate to break it to you but my cable TV is set to 1080i, Netflix is 1080p

This is one reason why I dropped cable. Sports look better with an OTA antenna (higher bandwidth than what cable will give you) and shows/movies all look better streamed from 1080p sources.

I also have a massive collection of blu-rays though. I guess I'm just an HD snob.

 

[Faustek]

fanboyism is a hell of a drug

Read something funny about "Fanboys" a while back.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2319992

Where Professor Kahan proved that no matter the numbers, the math, the science and proof could change the mind of a person that already had decided on a "truth".

And that reminded me when I was a kid, remember this was way before the "feel good" thing started in school, where another parent and a teacher agreed that the only way to teach kids anything, boys, was to beat the sense into us with a brick.

I do not in anyway think that laying hand on kids(or "fanboys") is a good way but at the same time I think these "hippie" ideas where everyone gets a Trophy just for participating or refusing to give a kid a failing degree is as stupid. Then again I'm not a child psychologist nor am I a behavioural scientist.

 

[Drek]

Nobody is saying graphics don't matter but is just one part of what goes into making a game.

Yes graphics do matter but is not the deciding factor for me. Yes it is obvious that the PS4 will have the graphics edge but I don't think it will be that big of a difference and because your console is capable of better graphics doesn't mean Sony will automatically win the next gen.

If graphics was the only deciding factor than you should buy a high end PC and upgrade it anually to make sure you can run the latest games at the highest possible settings.

The fact that it is decidedly superior tech, at a $100 lower MSRP, with a more open publishing format, and a stronger long term first party support commitment is why it SHOULD win. Yes, there is no guarantee, but as the educated consumer we're doing ourselves a disservice when we let companies like MS get away with delivering a product aimed at a different customer base (advertisers) expecting to land the core gamer who wants to "catch 'em all" anyway.

Also, the extra horsepower stopped being just about graphics a long time ago and GPGPU is poised to make that even more relevant this generation than ever before. The Order is the best looking game shown off on either system to date while also doing some incredibly interesting physics modeling. Where are we going to be in three or four years if there are next generation equivalents to PhysX that can only run on PS4 thanks to superior GPGPU implementation and more horsepower to fit them in without compromising visuals?

 

[Jburton]

Again, you're employing the graphics matter/graphics don't matter double standard. Trumpet the XB1's graphics while at the same time downplay the difference of the PS4. They're great and much better than the 360, great reason to own an XB1, but if the competitor has more horsepower then woah there, stop nitpicking! Graphics don't make or break a game! Trying to have your cake and eat it too.

It would be better if he was just honest and admit he is a fanboy ......... which is ok, as long as you don't shit up threads who cares ... but as you say you can't have your cake and eat it too, especially if you are pretending to have an honest conversation.

 

[NoPiece]

I agree with him. This whole FPS thing is getting out of hands as well.
Do you think movies look bad? Because they're 24fps.

I love the way film looks at 24fps, blur and stuttering and all. Just look at The Hobbit - like it or not 48fps looks shockingly different than 24 fps.

Check out the some of the comparison videos on the RED camera site:
http://www.red.com/learn/red-101/high-frame-rate-video

 

[rjcc]

This is true for a variety of reasons. Cable/Sat providers engage in a lot of recompression on the feeds they receive in order to fit more channels onto their network without having to increase bandwidth capacity. Lots of programming like live sports are also compressed in real-time to begin with resulting in a certain amount of degradation.

Meanwhile, Netflix and other streamers can perform more sophisticated offline compression of their content. They also only need to transmit 24fps for film content, rather than a 60 frame/field per second feed like TV. I got caught up on the last season of Fringe recently on Netflix and it was incredible how much better their Super HD stream looked than the original broadcast.

yeah, this is not an accurate assessment of the facts. If your local cable company, or your local affiliate, is compressing the feed poorly, then maybe. But as good as Netflix has gotten at compression there are way more places where its quality falls apart than a typical broadcast.

If you're watching cable TV at the end of a string and a tin can, then man, that must suck, but broadcast HD over here is better than any stream, and I like Netflix / amazon / Hulu Plus.

 

[Dictator93]

I agree with him. This whole FPS thing is getting out of hands as well.
Do you think movies look bad? Because they're 24fps.

8/10 almost rage posted

 

[Can Crusher]

900p is a perfectly fine alternative and trade off, 720p is just too blurry.

 

[BruiserBear]

900p is a perfectly fine alternative and trade off, 720p is just too blurry.

I wouldn't say perfectly fine, but 900p would certainly be a much better alternative.

 

[Can Crusher]

I wouldn't say perfectly fine, but 900p would certainly be a much better alternative.

Heh, I've been gaming Tomb Raider and Bioshock Infinite at 900p and it looks great to me. Apply AA and there's almost no difference, or at least I don't notice loss of detail after 10 seconds. Ryse at 900p looks super clean too, which gels with my experience thus far.

 

[Always-honest]

900p is a perfectly fine alternative and trade off, 720p is just too blurry.

Both can be fine depending how well they handle jaggies, framerate, etc. (Imo)
1080p would be great ofcourse.

 

[bigboss370]

titanfall being 720p isn't as big a deal as cod: ghosts because titanfall won't appear for awhile on PS4.

 

[Massa]

titanfall being 720p isn't as big a deal as cod: ghosts because titanfall won't appear for awhile on PS4.

Hate to break it to you but Arthur Gies is convinced Titanfall is never coming to PS4.

 

[Kitschkraft]

I've been with MSFT the past two gens...but this is too much. Kinect fucking ruined this platform.

 

[Kabuki Quantum Lover]

I've been with MSFT the past two gens...but this is too much. Kinect fucking ruined this platform.

Microsoft policies ruined the platform, not the Kinect.

 

[RetroStu]

Hate to break it to you but Arthur Gies is convinced Titanfall is never coming to PS4.

I don't know how true it is but i read that Microsoft paid $50mil for Titanfall exclusivity, that does seem like a lot of money for a 6 month or a year exclusive deal for a brand new IP that may or may not be good/popular.

 

[Can Crusher]

Both can be fine depending how well they handle jaggies, framerate, etc. (Imo)
1080p would be great ofcourse.

Nah, it's just blurry at 720p on a 1080p screen. I can put 4xAA in to work around the jaggies, but it's not good enough. I have extreme doubts Titanfall will be 720p, MS would rather send an army of coders over there to work it out.

I might be running at 720p now, but I bet it won't when it launches.

 

[Curufinwe]

Hate to break it to you but Arthur Gies is convinced Titanfall is never coming to PS4.

I'll take that bet.

 

[Jburton]

I don't know how true it is but i read that Microsoft paid $50mil for Titanfall exclusivity, that does seem like a lot of money for a 6 month or a year exclusive deal for a brand new IP that may or may not be good/popular.

50mil payed for GTA4 DLC exclusivity for a time only, no way TitanFall stays exclusive indefinitely.

 

[McLovin]

I guess I'll wait for the next-gen version.

 

[p3tran]

I guess I'll wait for the next-gen version.

pc is out day 1

 

[Zarx]

I guess I'll wait for the next-gen version.

Don't worry the PC version is coming day and date with the other versions

Edit: Beaten like a slug crossing the Bonneville Salt Flats

 

[krypt0nian]

Hate to break it to you but Arthur Gies is convinced Titanfall is never coming to PS4.

You do know what that means right?

 

[Papercuts]

Hate to break it to you but Arthur Gies is convinced Titanfall is never coming to PS4.

He isn't convinced of that, he just says it's locked down for awhile. But also that money changes relationships everyday and stuff can happen out of nowhere.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Resolution isn't a huge deal to me, but it is still very disappointing that these so called mega powerful consoles cannot hit 1080p after we were stuck in 720p for 8 years. Makes me question if they are as powerful as they were hyped up to me or if the developers are just not used to them yet. Come on, the original XBox was even capable of 720p lol.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Hate to break it to you but Arthur Gies is convinced Titanfall is never coming to PS4.

Last generation taught me to never say never. Look at the plethora of exclusives Sony lost with the PS3.

 

[krioto]

I'll take that bet.

I wouldn't bother - gies will never pay up

 

[Ysiadmihi]

Resolution isn't a huge deal to me, but it is still very disappointing that these so called mega powerful consoles cannot hit 1080p after we were stuck in 720p for 8 years. Makes me question if they are as powerful as they were hyped up to me or if the developers are just not used to them yet. Come on, the original XBox was even capable of 720p lol.

We already know that for machines releasing in 2013 they aren't very powerful, but even then it's still surprising just how underpowered the One is. At $500, it's completely inexcusable.

 

[FuturusX]

He isn't convinced of that, he just says it's locked down for awhile. But also that money changes relationships everyday and stuff can happen out of nowhere.

How is that news? He just reduced himself to guy spouting obvious anecdotes.

 

[RealityPales]

This is too funny...

 

[Dreams-Visions]

ESPN is 1080i.

Hmmmm.. I coulda swore that ESPN was 1080. And yeah, My cable comes in at 1080i as well.

You guys should set ESPN to 720p.

720p is better for motion, period. 1080i is better for still shots and channels and shows that don't move around a lot like the evening news, The View, The Tonight Show, The Daily Show. Stuff like that. 1080i gets blurry with its interlaced shenanigans with high speed stuff like sports and action films.

This is too funny...

There is truth in the imagery, however. The masses don't know and subsequently many won't give a shit. They don't frequent gaming forums, they don't read gaming magazines, and they for damn sure don't follow gaming celebs on Twitter.

 

[Tamanon]

Hate to break it to you but Arthur Gies is convinced Titanfall is never coming to PS4.

if you don't work at EA and insist Titanfall couldn't be released on the PS4, you literally don't know what you're talking about.

Spoiler

SimCity joke

 

[Tamanon]

This is too funny...

God I hope they stopped at the Bath & Body Works shop first if conventions are anything to go by.

 

[Papercuts]

How is that news? He just reduced himself to guy spouting obvious anecdotes.

I don't think it's news. I also don't think he reduced himself as that's what he always does, lol.

 

[RetroStu]

50mil payed for GTA4 DLC exclusivity for a time only, no way TitanFall stays exclusive indefinitely.

GTA is GTA though, the biggest game series there is, Titanfall is a brand new IP. I wouldn't be suprised if it did stay with Xbox, atleast the first game anyway. Gears of War stayed with Xbox throughout and that was another new ip launching with a new generation.

 

[Prelude.]

GTA is GTA though, the biggest game series there is, Titanfall is a brand new IP. I wouldn't be suprised if it did stay with Xbox, atleast the first game anyway. Gears of War stayed with Xbox throughout and that was another new ip launching with a new generation.

Gears was published by MS.

 

[NoirVisage]

Microsoft policies ruined the platform, not the Kinect.

It was kinect. Its existance and continued success was a priority that obscured everything else, they thought they'd rule the living room in concert with kinect.

 

[RetroStu]

Gears was published by MS.

Yep my mistake, i just thought of Epic.

 

[Artorias]

GTA is GTA though, the biggest game series there is, Titanfall is a brand new IP. I wouldn't be suprised if it did stay with Xbox, atleast the first game anyway. Gears of War stayed with Xbox throughout and that was another new ip launching with a new generation.

If it was staying exclusive, the devs would come out and say that, rather than give a wink and a shhh when asked about the PS4 version.

 

[RetroStu]

It was kinect. Its existance and continued success was a priority that obscured everything else, they thought they'd rule the living room in concert with kinect.

Without Kinect we would probably have a slightly more powerful machine at a lower price and price is the thing that casual consumers care about more than 1080p and pixel counts etc. I agree that Kinect is to blame.

 

[Jack_AG]

GTA is GTA though, the biggest game series there is, Titanfall is a brand new IP. I wouldn't be suprised if it did stay with Xbox, atleast the first game anyway. Gears of War stayed with Xbox throughout and that was another new ip launching with a new generation.

If PS4 outsells X1 by a country mile you can bet there won't be enough moneyhatting to keep them exclusive. Potentially losing millions of sales is on every 3rd party dev's mind right now. PS3 didn't sell enough early on so it was an easy choice back then. Apples/oranges comparison - this is a very difficult launch for MS.

 

[ViolentP]

2013 console gaming.

Where resolution suddenly doesn't matter anymore and public enjoyment suddenly does.

 

[Ghazi]

God I hope they stopped at the Bath & Body Works shop first if conventions are anything to go by.

They'll be stopping there alright, to return all the SALT!

 

[Can Crusher]

GTA is GTA though, the biggest game series there is, Titanfall is a brand new IP. I wouldn't be suprised if it did stay with Xbox, atleast the first game anyway. Gears of War stayed with Xbox throughout and that was another new ip launching with a new generation.

Gears of War was published by MS. The IP belongs to Epic, but they went after MS looking for a partner. EA is the publisher with Titanfall, and the game will release on PS4 once the year long exclusivity deal runs over.

It will only lead to disappointment to believe Titanfall will become a Xbox One exclusive IP. MS doesn't even have publishing rights on it.

 

[Jobbs]

There is truth in the imagery, however. The masses don't know and subsequently many won't give a shit. They don't frequent gaming forums, they don't read gaming magazines, and they for damn sure don't follow gaming celebs on Twitter.

This is kind of what I've been saying. It's more of a PR problem (which could be significant; Who knows) than a substantive problem -- The common consumer does not care about something like this. They don't care at all if one console is marginally (or even more than marginally) more powerful than the other.

The cheaper price [of PS4] does matter, though, I think it matters a lot. And the 720p thing feeds into a festering PR problem -- That the PS4 is cheaper and more powerful. This could be real. But 720 vs. 1080, on its face, is not significant to the common consumer.

 

[Possum]

I'm just looking to confirm that people are now calling the Xbox One the Xbox 720p.

 

[Hyun Sai]

The problem is not that the Xbox720 is weaker, it's a combination of that and PS4 cheaper by 100$.

Good luck with that. The exclusives better be good. And when I mean exclusive, I mean not on PC / 360.