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[plagiarize]

Of course it's about the games but the whole issue resolves around comparison of the same games - and let's be honest 90% or more of titles will be on each console. I'm sure nobody would argue against someone getting an XB1 vs PS4 because they prefer the exclusives or the controller or whatever - but when reputable sites fail not properly cover a fairly substantial gap for the same game that means one console offers an objectively better version of that game there's an issue.

We're not talking preferring Forza and Halo to GT and Uncharted or whatever, we're talking 720p/60fps up-scaled CoD vs 1080p/60fps CoD native resolution which is a whole different story.

seriously.

if you're weighing up the games for each system, unless you're a videogame journalist, the comparison should really be PS4 exclusives + multiplatform games compared to just Xbox One exclusives.

if the former outweighs the latter, there's no sense to chose the Xbone. multiplatform games aren't a wash. that said, I do think the people choosing the Xbox One because they want to play Ryse, Forza, etc, will be happy enough with the versions they get of NFS, COD, BF4, etc.

but if you care about those games more than Ryse, Forza, etc, then people should be recommending you buy the PS4.

 

[Jburton]

and without requiring a monthly subscription.

video game sites should be embarrassed that it took a movie site to post an article like this.

Very much so.

 

[Jack_AG]

There's nothing wrong with talking about specifics. If we never went into specifics there wouldn't be much to discuss now would there? However, going so far as to do mathematical calculations to figure the price per pixel is utterly ridiculous.

I honestly cannot even fathom your train of thought in your second point. What is my "logic" here that I supposedly stated before?

And as I said before, there's absolutely nothing wrong with discussing graphics. However, when someone goes so far as to say that something so completely dumbfounded like the "price-per-pixel" of a game console is actually important, that's where I draw the line.

First off - If that's where you draw the line, then don't post or TELL A MOD you don't like the way i post. That you have a problem with me discussing video games in a away YOU don't think should be discussed.

Second, and here's the kicker, son - why do you think I went so far comparing PPP? Could it be, I dunno, the fact that its downplayed so hard that I up-played it just as hard? Did you not see what I did? Go check out several posts in my history and look at the pattern. See any sarcasm? Do... Do you get it yet?

Seriously. If everything in life goes this far over your head don't come bitching at me, son. Take that shit to a mod if you have a problem and out of this thread.

TLDR;
"See what i did there"?

 

[oconnomiyaki]

Of course it's about the games but the whole issue resolves around comparison of the same games - and let's be honest 90% or more of titles will be on each console. I'm sure nobody would argue against someone getting an XB1 vs PS4 because they prefer the exclusives or the controller or whatever - but when reputable sites fail not properly cover a fairly substantial gap for the same game that means one console offers an objectively better version of that game there's an issue.

We're not talking preferring Forza and Halo to GT and Uncharted or whatever, we're talking 720p/60fps up-scaled CoD vs 1080p/60fps CoD native resolution which is a whole different story.

Of course. But the point is does 1080p matter so much that you'd be willing to forsake Halo and Forza?

For me, no, it wouldn't. As you say, 90% of the games will be available on both platforms, and I don't like Sony's exclusives except for Everybody's Golf. (I liked Wipeout, but they killed it. :C )

I have neither on order -- I went with a Wii U -- so I'm not picking sides in this. And yes, downplaying the difference in isolation is a bit questionable. But everyone seems to be acting like this alone is a huge deal and is obvious proof that everyone should be going with the PS4.

 

[tokkun]

Article nailed. All of these tech sites would be heaping praise (and have in the past) to video cards that are cheaper but more powerful than the competition but for some reason when it comes to the Xbone, 720p compared to 1080p doesn't make a difference even at $100 more.

Hypocrisy at its finest. Why is the question. Paid off? Fanboys? Ignorant?

I found that video card argument to be pretty dumb. People do pay more for Nvidia cards than AMD cards. But more importantly, video game consoles have far more components to their value proposition beyond performance: exclusive games, input devices (preferred controller, Kinect, WiiU pad, etc), OS features, apps, ergonomics, online services, expandability, sales/deals/promotions, interaction with other devices like handhelds/phones/tablets, and more.

 

[Chamber]

The gaming press doesn't seem to give a shit unless the problem affects them directly. They've done more crying about getting their free PS4 from Sony than they did about DRM.

 

[malboroking]

What the fuck I want from a console?

Well let me explain a few things. this is no longer 2001, nor 2006 nor even 2010. Games no longer exist in some walled off garden to only be enjoyed only by nerds and enthusiasts. Consoles no longer are the only major game in town anymore to enjoy gaming. As such to keep treating them like they are, as you seem to want to do, is stupid. Hell the biggest games in the world isn't even ON a console for crying out loud. The sooner you get that gaming is FAR bigger than Sony, Nintendo, and MS, the sooner you'll understand my next point.

With so much competition that is growing at an alarming rate, you need to bring something exciting, something new to the table. You can't just show up with a slower CPU and faster GPU and the next COD and hope all is well, that won't work anymore when I can get COD in a far superior form on a PC which, despite what you say or feel, is growing as a gaming platform faster than ever. So if you are bringing nothing new, nothing innovative, then you better damn sure be bringing the best of what you got, and PS4 and Xbox are not even doing that. So instead of praising the PS4 as the second coming of gaming, you need to be looking at why Sony decided to release a half assed console.

Now can I enjoy games on it? Of course! because graphics are not as important when I have a PC which will give me graphics the Ps4/xbone will only dream of. So i'm looking at all the others for games I want to play, new experiences I can't get. PS4 doesn't do that in ANY capacity. Now in two years, maybe it'll be different, but ATM no.

And I never said they all sucked, just that they were average at BEST, and if you HAD to choose by launch games, MS has the better ones. PS4 has cross gen ports, multiplats and a few indies. All their shit, like Wii U, and others was "delayed."

So lets not crown a "king" just yet.

First of all, where in my post did I say anything about a console being the only place to game? I've got a PS3, a Wii, a gaming Pc, a 3ds, a Vita and an iPad, and I play and enjoy games on all of them, so lets just nip that in the bud. Second of all, how is a PC anything more than just "a faster cpu and a faster GPU"? There is nothing innovative in the PC space, its the same thing as consoles in terms of hardware (much better hardware if you are willing to spend some money), and any innovations in peripherals or software could also be brought to the console space.

The "biggest" games in the world right now are found in the mobile space. I don't think even LOL can compete with puzzles and dragons in terms of revenue or player base. And I'm sorry, I just don't see how the PS4 is a "half-assed" console. They packed it with as much power as they could for 400 dollars. Again, it is being sold at a loss, so the power/price value is quite good. I ask again, what specifically do you want them to do to innovate? You can argue that MS has the better launch offering, that's fine, its your opinion, but to just dismiss the dozens of title being developed for the launch window as "average and nothing new" when you haven't even played them yet is asinine.

 

[plagiarize]

Of course. But the point is does 1080p matter so much that you'd be willing to forsake Halo and Forza?

For me, no, it wouldn't. As you say, 90% of the games will be available on both platforms, and I don't like Sony's exclusives except for Everybody's Golf. (I liked Wipeout, but they killed it. :C )

I have neither on order -- I went with a Wii U -- so I'm not picking sides in this. And yes, downplaying the difference in isolation is a bit questionable. But everyone seems to be acting like this alone is a huge deal and is obvious proof that everyone should be going with the PS4.

If you're expecting differences in resolution to be the only differences, I'd love to know where you've been hiding the last couple of weeks. Halo matters to me. I will get an Xbox One down the line, and I will buy a handful of exclusives on it. But that's it. Sony will be seeing a LOT more of my money, just as Microsoft saw a lot more of my money last gen. I bought *three* multiplatform titles on PS3. I bought about thirty on Xbox 360.

 

[Thorgal]

I thought the article was pretty bad TBH although I do actually agree with the core point. It was way too frothing at the mouth and seemed to be driven by an anti-XB1 slant to an extent.

But I firmly believe that US in particular and to a lesser extent UK based sites are reporting on the XB1 vs PS4 performance issues really, really badly.

I can't believe I've had EDGE basically tell me that there is little difference between a native 1080p output in 60fps vs a 720p then up-scaled just to be super accurate output in 60fps : my mind literally boggles at this fallacy.

Then Ars... I can't even...

It really feels like certain western sites cannot bring themselves to report on this sensibly: they seem to be flailing around in indecision as to how to behave on the matter. I have no idea if it's MS influence, XB1 being Western made and the follow up to the successful 360 which defined online/western centric gameplay for many this gen or what... but something is definitely not right and they need to sort it out. I accept opinions are opinions but 1080p vs 720p image of same game with same effects isn't an opinion - that's a fact and yet it's being treated as an opinion by sites that know better.

As i said before : from where i am standing it looks like the entire gaming media is in a total meltdown over this.

It is hilarious to watch.

 

[Jburton]

The gaming press doesn't seem to give a shit unless the problem affects them directly. They've done more crying about getting their free PS4 from Sony than they did about DRM.

Fucking despicable when you put it like that, and they spent more time saying Sony where likely to do it as well than actually stand up for the consumer.


I'm all for a list of discredited, hypocritical and downright incompetent games journalists / personalities.

 

[EGM1966]

Of course. But the point is does 1080p matter so much that you'd be willing to forsake Halo and Forza?

For me, no, it wouldn't. As you say, 90% of the games will be available on both platforms, and I don't like Sony's exclusives except for Everybody's Golf. (I liked Wipeout, but they killed it. :C )

I have neither on order -- I went with a Wii U -- so I'm not picking sides in this. And yes, downplaying the difference in isolation is a bit questionable. But everyone seems to be acting like this alone is a huge deal and is obvious proof that everyone should be going with the PS4.

You're missing my point I fear. The issue around resolution isn't about exclusives or which console to get - it;s about poor reporting of the specific examples of BF and CoD.

As I noted of course if you prefer MS exclusives or other aspects of the XB1 ecosystem then you should get that - it's not like BF and CoD are going to perform terribly on the platform. However the specific reporting of BF/CoD should be making it clear that the PS4 version is objectively better (as Bayonetta and RDR are objectively better on 360) and not trying to fudge the issue.

 

[plagiarize]

As i said before : from where i am standing it looks like the entire gaming media is in a total meltdown over this.

It is hilarious to watch.

I think it's partly screaming fanboy reactions to things like Edge favouring the PS4 that have led us here too.

Again, the gaming press seems to think that to be unbiased, means to not favour one thing over another, no matter the measurable, factual differences between them. What it really means to be unbiased is to not favour one console over the other *because of the company that made it*.

If we can't trust the gaming press to advise us on the real differences between the systems... and evidently we can't, thank god we have this forum, and thank god it isn't going unnoticed.

 

[baxter2231]

If the ps4 and xbone were switched i highly doubt reactions from the press would be as they are now, there would be no end of the articles blasting them. No consistency.

 

[Reg]

If the ps4 and xbone were switched i highly doubt reactions from the press would be as they are now, there would be no end of the articles blasting them. No consistency.

Honestly feels that way.

 

[oconnomiyaki]

If you're expecting differences in resolution to be the only differences, I'd love to know where you've been hiding the last couple of weeks. Halo matters to me. I will get an Xbox One down the line, and I will buy a handful of exclusives on it. But that's it. Sony will be seeing a LOT more of my money, just as Microsoft saw a lot more of my money last gen. I bought *three* multiplatform titles on PS3. I bought about thirty on Xbox 360.

Of course it's not the only difference. The Xbox One plays media over DLNA. As someone who uses his console as a media centre, that matters a lot to me.

Like I said, I chose a Wii U. When the support for that finally dries up, I'll look at getting another console, and it'll likely be an Xbox One simply because Sony doesn't make games I like.

If I want the best looking version, I'll get it for my PC. Consoles will always be for their exclusives, including those that never come to PC like Red Dead Redemption and Virtua Fighter.

 

[plagiarize]

If the ps4 and xbone were switched i highly doubt reactions from the press would be as they are now, there would be no end of the articles blasting them. No consistency.

we don't know that, and we can only speculate to that, but what we do know is that the gaming press aren't looking out for us as consumers.

at all.

they told us we should shut up and like the DRM.
they told us we 'ruined things' when Microsoft back tracked on it.
they told us launch titles would look the same.
they told us we must be nit picky pixel counters if we care about playing games in a higher resolution.

they're writing for advertising dollars, but they're going to lose those if they keep ignoring the desires of the people they claim to be informing.

 

[Speedy Blue Dude]

Huh? When was it confirmed that PS4 wouldn't have any of those?

Those things are on PS4 as well.

Lol.

but I already have YouTube, Netflix, Internet via ps4. hence why I would take cheaper 1080p tv to fully experience best of all

;p

Like I said, EXTREME comparisons.

What I said was just as wrong as calling the Xbox One a 720p TV, considering Forza, NBA2K13, NFS, FIFA, Madden, etc are all 1080p.

 

[TekGryphon]

This article just made me bookmark CinemaBlend.

I'm sure within a month NeoGAF will give me a reason to remove them

 

[Goldmund]

Relevant post from another thread.

 

[Amused]

Still finding it wierd... We are approaching the dawn og the next generation of gaming consoles, and this is how I see the gaming press the last few weeks:

One of these consoles are better at playing CDs than the other console: NEEEEEWS!!!
One of these consoles are better at playing games than the other console: What? That? No, not important. Irrelevant.

 

[plagiarize]

Of course it's not the only difference. The Xbox One plays media over DLNA. As someone who uses his console as a media centre, that matters a lot to me.

Like I said, I chose a Wii U. When the support for that finally dries up, I'll look at getting another console, and it'll likely be an Xbox One simply because Sony doesn't make games I like.

If I want the best looking version, I'll get it for my PC. Consoles will always be for their exclusives, including those that never come to PC like Red Dead Redemption and Virtua Fighter.

not that I care, but DLNA is going to come to PS4 in time too, according to GAF sources anyways. even so, the Xbox One is the better multimedia device (if you have an Xbox Gold subscription) and I have no hesitation admitting it.

but if the gaming press aren't going to tell us about the differences in gaming then what good are they? if I wanted to read the junk they've been coming out with lately, I'd read the regular press's opinion of the two consoles.

 

[mrklaw]

Article was 100% spot on. If you want to buy an XBONE, that's great. But this "there's not really a noticeable difference" that's cropped up in the press would be laughed at in any other industry.

There's a difference. 50% lower resolution at a worse frame rate. There it is plain and simple.

If you know this and want to buy the system, that's great. You are making an informed decision. The point is the press, REAL press, owes it to you to give you that information. Not this "not much of a difference" or "XBONE will eventually catch up in performance" or any of the other absolutely preposterous shit we've seen in the past week or two.

Absolutely. Most of us here are informed gamers, but anyone that isn't, relies on the press to provide hem information to help them make a purchasing decision. That the press is overwhelmingly downplaying these differences means people are not being given proper information, and that is disappointing at best, and a damning indictment of the state of gaming media at worst.

 

[plagiarize]

Like I said, EXTREME comparisons.

What I said was just as wrong as calling the Xbox One a 720p TV, considering Forza, NBA2K13, NFS, FIFA, Madden, etc are all 1080p.

drop the etc. and Need For Speed is very unlikely to be 1080p... given that it uses the same engine as BF4.

it might be given it uses half the frame rate, but again, 900p (like Ryse) is a safer presumption until we have it confirmed, and we haven't had it confirmed for either system. I won't be surprised if it isn't full 1080p on PS4, although I am hoping it will be.

 

[perineumlick]

Of course it's not the only difference. The Xbox One plays media over DLNA. As someone who uses his console as a media centre, that matters a lot to me.

Like I said, I chose a Wii U. When the support for that finally dries up, I'll look at getting another console, and it'll likely be an Xbox One simply because Sony doesn't make games I like.

If I want the best looking version, I'll get it for my PC. Consoles will always be for their exclusives, including those that never come to PC like Red Dead Redemption and Virtua Fighter.

That feature will be available on PS4 also.
-beaten-

 

[scoobs]

Relevant post from another thread.

Oh my.... really does make you wonder.

 

[Jburton]

Like I said, EXTREME comparisons.

What I said was just as wrong as calling the Xbox One a 720p TV, considering Forza, NBA2K13, NFS, FIFA, Madden, etc are all 1080p.

So you where all sorts of wrong then.

 

[MrDaravon]

seriously.

if you're weighing up the games for each system, unless you're a videogame journalist, the comparison should really be PS4 exclusives + multiplatform games compared to just Xbox One exclusives.

if the former outweighs the latter, there's no sense to chose the Xbone. multiplatform games aren't a wash. that said, I do think the people choosing the Xbox One because they want to play Ryse, Forza, etc, will be happy enough with the versions they get of NFS, COD, BF4, etc.

but if you care about those games more than Ryse, Forza, etc, then people should be recommending you buy the PS4.

If you're expecting differences in resolution to be the only differences, I'd love to know where you've been hiding the last couple of weeks. Halo matters to me. I will get an Xbox One down the line, and I will buy a handful of exclusives on it. But that's it. Sony will be seeing a LOT more of my money, just as Microsoft saw a lot more of my money last gen. I bought *three* multiplatform titles on PS3. I bought about thirty on Xbox 360.

Completely agree. Outside of Halo lastgen I'm fairly indifferent to most first party exclusives on all platforms, so me and all my friends went 360 since it was cheaper, had the online shit going, and Halo.

Nextgen the PS4 is cheaper, more powerful, has it's online shit together, and after Halo 4 none of us give a shit about Halo anymore. So with all things being equal there is zero reason to get a Xbox over a PS4 UNLESS you're into Kinect, or prefer to the MS exclusive lineup over Sony's which are both valid reasons (I think MS definitely has a better exclusive lineup). If you're super into KI or Halo or something there's nothing wrong with getting an Xbox at all. I'll get one eventually, but like you I'll be transitioning from 85% 360 this gen to 85% PS4 next gen. I just looked at my Backloggery, and this gen I finished 191 360 games, and 29 PS3 games. If you'd told me a year ago I would have been going with Sony over MS nextgen I would have said you were crazy.

What does bother me as many others have posted here is sites and "journalists" being completely dismissive or not even covering the fact that the exact same game on both platforms is noticeably and objectively worse on one over the other. Between this and the almost complete non-coverage and downplaying of the original DRM plans from pretty much every site there is just literally no place that I take seriously at all anymore. I still frequent some sites and podcasts because I find them entertaining (like Giant Bomb), but the general sentiment from most sites and individuals acting like people on the internet are out of control wild beasts for saying that 1080p vs 720p matters is actually insulting. There is not a single site or "journalist" I take seriously at all anymore after the last 6 months.

 

[oconnomiyaki]

not that I care, but DLNA is going to come to PS4 in time too, according to GAF sources anyways. even so, the Xbox One is the better multimedia device (if you have an Xbox Gold subscription) and I have no hesitation admitting it.

but if the gaming press aren't going to tell us about the differences in gaming then what good are they? if I wanted to read the junk they've been coming out with lately, I'd read the regular press's opinion of the two consoles.

Of course, but I said that in my first post. Originally, I was referencing CinemaBlend's notion that tech specs are all that matter, hence my smartphone analogy. There's a lot more that factors into it. CinemaBlend's stance seems to be that because the PS4 is more powerful, that's all that matters, and anyone suggesting the Xbox One is on the take.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Doritocratic Dewmocracy.

Gaming journalism is a bit of a joke.
Loved it when IGN said something along the lines of "sure, there's a difference, but the Xbone can scale up to 1080p so it doesn't look too different from PS4".

 

[Dahbomb]

Relevant post from another thread.

This isn't even shocking anymore in a world of doritocracy and money hats.

 

[EatinOlives]

Like I said, EXTREME comparisons.

What I said was just as wrong as calling the Xbox One a 720p TV, considering Forza, NBA2K13, NFS, FIFA, Madden, etc are all 1080p.

"You don't understand, I WANTED to post nonsense!"

 

[plagiarize]

Completely agree. Outside of Halo lastgen I'm fairly indifferent to most first party exclusives on all platforms, so me and all my friends went 360 since it was cheaper, had the online shit going, and Halo.

Nextgen the PS4 is cheaper, more powerful, has it's online shit together, and after Halo 4 none of us give a shit about Halo anymore. So with all things being equal there is zero reason to get a Xbox over a PS4 UNLESS you're into Kinect, or prefer to the MS exclusive lineup over Sony's which are both valid reasons (I think MS definitely has a better exclusive lineup). If you're super into KI or Halo or something there's nothing wrong with getting an Xbox at all. I'll get one eventually, but like you I'll be transitioning from 85% 360 this gen to 85% PS4 next gen. I just looked at my Backloggery, and this gen I finished 191 360 games, and 29 PS3 games. If you'd told me a year ago I would have been going with Sony over MS nextgen I would have said you were crazy.

What does bother me as many others have posted here is sites and "journalists" being completely dismissive or not even covering the fact that the exact same game on both platforms is noticeably and objectively worse on one over the other. Between this and the almost complete non-coverage and downplaying of the original DRM plans from pretty much every site there is just literally no place that I take seriously at all anymore. I still frequent some sites and podcasts because I find them entertaining (like Giant Bomb), but the general sentiment from most sites and individuals acting like people on the internet are out of control wild beasts for saying that 1080p vs 720p matters is actually insulting. There is not a single site or "journalist" I take seriously at all anymore after the last 6 months.

I actually LIKE Kinect. seriously. you can check my post history on it. I cannot believe that Microsoft have completely dropped the ball with it. Nothing at launch... only ONE major title announced for the first year.

I'd have paid the extra $100 gladly if they'd shown me some Kinect experiences I couldn't get on PS4. Instead they just keep showing the voice commands, which PS4 is going to have.

This Kinect is meant to be much more advanced. They've given it some of the system power and memory. The specs on it are clearly better.

And they haven't shown me a single thing that demonstrates that it's better, or that it's worth further hampering what the system can do with gaming as a result.

How do they expect third parties to support it when they've got one title next year, that is basically just a knock off of Wii Sports Resort, to show for Kinect gaming.

 

[Yawnier]

Relevant post from another thread.

Yeah, that seems about par for the course for the gaming media and many (not all) gaming journalists now.

 

[Foffy]

I'm all for a list of discredited, hypocritical and downright incompetent games journalists / personalities.

I think it would be easier to make a list of those who aren't those things, quite honestly..

I'd bank on it being in the single digits.

 

[bill0527]

Killzone, is a well regarded franchise. If you're passing off your opinion on it as being a poor choice, then I can throw the MetaCritic ratings back at you (KZ2 was 91% and KZ3 at 84%). It's a fine piece of software and may well be the best looking game at any launch this fall for any system.

This is a fine launch so I don't know what you are expecting? Are you familiar with the Vita launch? Sony had quite the selection of software at launch and the weeks that followed. And then what? Nothing? The Wii U was/is also guilty of having a dire software selection after it's launch. As do all systems.

I think Sony is understands that the launch is for those already committed. On top of that, Sony is leveraging independent developers to help buoy what is a common problem in this industry. Lack of software after the honeymoon launch period. It's clear that the PS4 is not the system for you, but do you think Microsoft is better prepared?

Oh I'm buying a PS4. I just think Microsoft has better launch lineup. I also think Microsoft will shit the bed on year 2 or 3 of Xbox One and once again depend on 3rd parties to save the day.

Killzone may be a decent shooter, but are you seriously going to tell me its better than battlefield! CoD, Halo? I would put it as maybe the 4th best shooter franchise at the very least and BF and CoD are going to be at the launch next to it.

I'm just really disappointed in this launch lineup for PS4. I don't think its diverse and should have been better prepared for. No fighting game, no racing game, but lots of shooters, the usual sports games that ALWAYS suck on the launch of a new system, and indie titles that can probably be done on last gen systems, a PC or even a tablet.

Had Infamous and/or Driveclub launched with the system, I might be able to stomach it better. Instead, I'm buying a $400 box in 2 weeks, and really have no clue what I am going to buy to play on it yet.

 

[onanie]

Relevant post from another thread.

Indeed, the difference between 880x720 and 832x624 is worlds apart. Anything more is unbalanced.

 

[Jburton]

I think it would be easier to make a list of those who aren't those things, quite honestly..

I'd bank on it being in the single digits.

Fair point.

 

[plagiarize]

Of course, but I said that in my first post. Originally, I was referencing CinemaBlend's notion that tech specs are all that matter, hence my smartphone analogy. There's a lot more that factors into it. CinemaBlend's stance seems to be that because the PS4 is more powerful, that's all that matters, and anyone suggesting the Xbox One is on the take.

the tech specs aren't all that matter, but they matter. numerous gaming sites are telling me they don't. it's insane. one console is better at playing the same games than the other, but who cares!

wait what? I care. the audience of your website care.

they shouldn't have tried to keep us in the dark on this *before the facts came out*. now that the facts came out, they shouldn't be doubling down on it.

 

[OmegaDL50]

I'd rather the journalists can take a more objective outlook on things.

I have a strong dislike when you have articles which are spun in a fashion to support the company and go to lengths to be anti-consumer and ultimately don't acknowledge their statements are taking an anti-consumer / benefit for the company fashion. Articles that are done in such a method that shows a obvious bias to the corporate ad revenue they are receiving rather then an honest integrity to make sure the people who give their money for these products aren't being mislead and being fed misinformation.

Or articles that try to take what could be considered an actual fault or flaw and spin it as a strength. Case in point - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...unlock-more-gpu-power-for-xbox-one-developers

There is a lot of bullshit and twisting of information at face value done which can be interpreted in a positive sway to obscure issues. Is it too much to make it straight?

 

[BoboBrazil]

It's pretty embarassing the way the gaming media has gotten this generation. I've never seen so much covering up for a company as what they are doing for Microsoft. They might as well go work for Fox News with all the spinning they are doing.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

I just want an answer as to why the One is getting a pass like this with spin to match, first on rumors (ok, they're rumors I gotcha; facts first and all that) but now on facts that confirm rumors (ok, no, that isn't kosher what are you doing).

This is coming from sites like Ars Technica and Giant Bomb who are in no way irrational fanboys or paid shills like Arthur Gies or Larry Hryb respectively. Why the spin? Why not for Sony 8 years ago in a lesser case of Fuck Up Your Third Console? It's like they wanna appear unbiased but come off as the opposite for downplaying FACT. Out of the mouths of highranking members of the third parties of the games in question FACT.

They're not getting paid off (highly unlikely at best).

MS's ad budget ain't that big of a deal (if any threats were made with the condition the One is in, that's a great news story in and of itself).

They're not idiots (well a few are...)

It can't be cuz they like the 360 THAT much (besides, many are tired of the thing or feel its time for that thing to get its well-earned rest).

So what is it? Why are they risking their reputation in the eyes of their readers? If anything (and this thread is good evidence) it makes them come off as biased and I know that's not the case yet it only gets them labeled with "made a dumbass decision" which isn't much better.

With garmes jurnalizm shrinking ever more each year in both size and power, you'd think they'd not want to encourage finding reasons to stop being listened to as a source of news and editorials.

Here's another take with the same central theme for those that have an issue with this particular article

Hah, I fired that off and forgot about that.

Alex is probably the posterboy for this. Man doesn't have a MS fanboy bone in his body and still called it Gamespot Console Warz Forum discussion even though his broken reasoning not two sentences before that sounded word for word like a post from a Console Warz post. I...just don't know why someone would go out of their way to be percieved as unbiased in a way that is easily percieved as biased like that.

 

[semiconscious]

Relevant post from another thread.

can't be re-posted enough. new generation, new ground rules...

 

[Domcorleone]

Oh I'm buying a PS4. I just think Microsoft has better launch lineup. I also think Microsoft will shit the bed on year 2 or 3 of Xbox One and once again depend on 3rd parties to save the day.

Killzone may be a decent shooter, but are you seriously going to tell me its better than battlefield! CoD, Halo? I would put it as maybe the 4th best shooter franchise at the very least and BF and CoD are going to be at the launch next to it.

I'm just really disappointed in this launch lineup for PS4. I don't think its diverse and should have been better prepared for. No fighting game, no racing game, but lots of shooters, the usual sports games that ALWAYS suck on the launch of a new system, and indie titles that can probably be done on last gen systems, a PC or even a tablet.

Had Infamous and/or Driveclub launched with the system, I might be able to stomach it better. Instead, I'm buying a $400 box in 2 weeks, and really have no clue what I am going to buy to play on it yet.

Lol why are you buying it now then? Just buy it when it has games you want to play.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

Of course, but I said that in my first post. Originally, I was referencing CinemaBlend's notion that tech specs are all that matter, hence my smartphone analogy. There's a lot more that factors into it. CinemaBlend's stance seems to be that because the PS4 is more powerful, that's all that matters, and anyone suggesting the Xbox One is on the take.

Why can't the gaming press just report the tech difference and let us determine how much it matters? All I see is (fact that PS4 is 1080p, XB1 is 720p), but (jounalist's opinion that is doesn't matter). Everywhere, ugh. Almost no one wants to come out and just state the facts.

 

[MrDaravon]

I just want an answer as to why the One is getting a pass like this with spin to match, first on rumors (ok, they're rumors I gotcha; facts first and all that) but now on facts that confirm rumors (ok, no, that isn't kosher what are you doing).

This is coming from sites like Ars Technica and Giant Bomb who are in no way irrational fanboys or paid shills like Arthur Gies or Larry Hryb respectively. Why the spin? Why not for Sony 8 years ago in a lesser case of Fuck Up Your Third Console? It's like they wanna appear unbiased but come off as the opposite for downplaying FACT. Out of the mouths of highranking members of the third parties of the games in question FACT.

They're not getting paid off (highly unlikely at best).

MS's ad budget ain't that big of a deal (if any threats were made with the condition the One is in, that's a great news story in and of itself).

They're not idiots (well a few are...)

It can't be cuz they like the 360 THAT much (besides, many are tired of the thing or feel its time for that thing to get its well-earned rest).

So what is it? Why are they risking their reputation in the eyes of their readers? If anything (and this thread is good evidence) it makes them come off as biased and I know that's not the case yet it only gets them labeled with "made a dumbass decision" which isn't much better.

With garmes jurnalizm shrinking ever more each year in both size and power, you'd think they'd not want to encourage finding reasons to stop being listened to as a source of news and editorials.



Hah, I fired that off and forgot about that.

Alex is probably the posterboy for this. Man doesn't have a MS fanboy bone in his body and still called it Gamespot Console Warz Forum discussion even though his broken reasoning not two sentences before that sounded word for word like a post from a Console Warz post. I...just don't know why someone would go out of their way to be percieved as unbiased in a way that is easily percieved as biased like that.

I feel like going back to even E3 that some places like are actually trying TOO hard to remain objective and unbiased which is great to a point, but now we have 100% hard facts and it's still either being downplayed, or in worse case scenarios you have people saying things like "oh well it upscales to 1080 so it's whatever" which is ridiculous. I get that some places don't want to necessarily come off as a Consumer Reports style thing, but you're actually doing your readers MORE of a disservice by either glossing over or not reporting on facts and details on this stuff than posting stories that could interpreted as leaning one way or the other.

 

[oconnomiyaki]

Why can't the gaming press just report the tech difference and let us determine how much it matters? All I see is (fact that PS4 is 1080p, XB1 is 720p), but (jounalist's opinion that is doesn't matter). Everywhere, ugh. Almost no one wants to come out and just state the facts.

That's the FUD, though. It's one game. Sure, other games have shown a similar discrepancy, but the idea that PS4 is 1080p and the One is 720p is hyperbole. BF4 is 900p on PS4 and Forza 5 runs at 1080p on Xbox One.

Report the difference in that one game, sure, but that shouldn't suddenly be a statement for the entire generation, and I don't think journalists are on the take because they're not dancing to that drumbeat.

 

[Chobel]

Oh I'm buying a PS4. I just think Microsoft has better launch lineup. I also think Microsoft will shit the bed on year 2 or 3 of Xbox One and once again depend on 3rd parties to save the day.

Killzone may be a decent shooter, but are you seriously going to tell me its better than battlefield! CoD, Halo? I would put it as maybe the 4th best shooter franchise at the very least and BF and CoD are going to be at the launch next to it.

I'm just really disappointed in this launch lineup for PS4. I don't think its diverse and should have been better prepared for. No fighting game, no racing game, but lots of shooters, the usual sports games that ALWAYS suck on the launch of a new system, and indie titles that can probably be done on last gen systems, a PC or even a tablet.

Had Infamous and/or Driveclub launched with the system, I might be able to stomach it better. Instead, I'm buying a $400 box in 2 weeks, and really have no clue what I am going to buy to play on it yet.

Well you have a fighting game "injustice gods among us", and racing game "Need for speed: rivals"

 

[Glass Shark]

A lot of the media has to look in the mirror and realize they write for gamers and not companies-- or at least are supposed to.

Who are you to tell them what their opinion should be? Maybe they genuinely think that this whole resolution thing just isn't worth getting all worked up about.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

Who are you to tell them what their opinion should be? Maybe they genuinely think that this whole resolution thing just isn't worth getting all worked up about.

Odd how they cared for an entire generation and now it is irrelevant once the gap becomes wider

 

[unbias]

Why can't the gaming press just report the tech difference and let us determine how much it matters? All I see is (fact that PS4 is 1080p, XB1 is 720p), but (jounalist's opinion that is doesn't matter). Everywhere, ugh. Almost no one wants to come out and just state the facts.

Ya, it's odd. PS3/Xbox 360 we were always hearing about how the 360 version was better 90+% of the time. Now that we see evidence that the console makers have switched spots(to an even greater degree, it seems) all the sudden it doesn't really matter because the differences are small. You have a few good articles, here and there, and then you get ones that try and...blur the differences between the consoles, in terms of performance. Any games media website that does this, isnt doing this without knowing, so then you have to read the articles with trying to figure-out the motives to them posting crap like that.

To me, I side more on the side of politics in the work place coupled with the industry trying to play both sides of the fence.