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Is Peyton Manning the best quarterback of all time? No.
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Apeopleman
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Not gonna happen. The Seahawks defense will steamroll Peyton and knock him on his ass at the Meadowlands.
Seahawks 24
Broncos 10
HeisenbergLannister
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They won't even make the Super Bowl.
The refs gifted a few TDs in 07 to the Pats.
Watch the Ravens game that year where they were also gifted the game.
So Eli>Favre
Eli>Marino
Eli>Young
Eli=Elway
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Dilfer=Peyton
BradJohnson=Peyton
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Question. Which of any of those quarterbacks causes a 14-2 team to become a 2-14 team by his injury?
ZedIndyLil
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It's funny how this thread keeps getting bumped depending on how Peyton did that day.
Rabbit Lord
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He throws like a girl.
Peyton is playing the position at the highest level it has ever been played. He has defenses beat before the ball is snapped most of the time. Even with his "noodle arm" his passes are crisp and timely. No throwing window is unavailable to him. Just masterful; the offense is a true extension of one man and it shows.
johnny_park
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Lol, the seachickens are struggling at home against the cardinals.
Winning always counts, brother.
timetokill
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Eli manning has had a thoroughly mediocre career. 2 playoff hot streaks doesn't make his career better than Peyton's or any of the other great QBs.
No qb with two rings has had a mediocre career, that is just asinine.
He is obviously not better than Peyton, but come on.
Look at his entire career outside of those 2 playoff runs, including the seasons they made those playoff runs. In 07 he had 23 TDs and 20 INTs but they squeaked in to the playoffs and got hot at the right time. This year he's got 16 TDs and 25 INTs with a game to go still. He's basically on the Stafford/Romo tier as far as actual QB ability goes but unlike those two he has the capability of getting extremely hot in the playoffs.
And that ability to get super hot in the playoffs is what elevates him above mediocre quarterback.
Romo is a mediocre quarterback. Stafford is a mediocre quarterback. Eli is clearly better than mediocre. He was a key element in two Super Bowl championships. He is not a Dilfer or Johnson. They were mediocre quarterbacks.
He's made other playoff appearances though and they were all 1 and done. So we're basically saying 8 games in Eli Manning's entire career is what makes him a great QB or a hall of famer even (because he sadly probably will be thanks to the insane focus on championships from the media), because his performance in the other 154 games would not get him anywhere near a HoF ballot.
and I was talking mediocre for today's standards where 4000 yards and 25-30 TDs is pretty much the expected norm for all the teams who don't have one of those gimmick hybrid QBs that are more running back than QB.
johnny_park
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His record against teams with a winning record is 4-28. I couldn't believe that when I heard it earlier this week.
StanleyStutters
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That record should provide him some comfort after he bows out after his first playoff game for the ninth time in his career.
With the embarrassing defense we have and Von Miller likely being gone now I'd say that's extremely likely. Hell I've been saying that almost weekly since the Jacksonville game since they've been really flawed in every game since. Of course if Peyton actually plays bad that's on him, but if he throws for something like 350 and 3 TDs and still loses that's not going to be his fault.
The only thing that makes me feel a little at ease is that everyone else in the AFC playoff picture is playing so poorly right now, but who knows what will happen when they actually start.
My memory is acting up on me, but has a QB ever won a Superbowl with two different franchise?
That would look pretty good on his resume if he and the Broncos were able to pull it off.
StanleyStutters
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It's definitely been a real down year in the AFC. Before today, I thought Baltimore had a real chance of making another run, but after that home loss to New England I'm not so worried about them. I wouldn't be surprised if any of the six AFC teams wins the conference, it should be an entertaining January.
johnny_park
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Starting? No.
Anyone outside of Giants fans equating Romo and Eli Manning as far as ability is repeating ESPN talking points. The stats tell a different story.
Eli edges Romo on Super Bowl victories and comeback victories, but then again Eli also edges out Brady in both as well depending on your argument.
Eli is incredibly mediocre. The quality of the Giants defense carried Eli into the Super Bowl and it took miracle plays for the Giants to overcome the Pats in the end. Can this season finally be the end of the Eli stroking? It's an embarrassment that a football fan would even think such nonsense.
johnny_park
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I can't even think of a Qb leading two different teams to the Super Bowl besides Kurt Warner.
patjburns89
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Romo ain't mediocre. Since 2009, Romo's got 128 TD and 54 INT, and a 97 QB rating. Peyton Manning has 150 TD and 54 INT, QB Rating of 102.
Eli Manning? 129 TD, 95 INT, QB rating of 86.
patjburns89
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Romo in 2011 threw for 31 TD and 10 INT in 2011. He completed 67 percent of his passes.
That December and January, the Cowboys went 1-4, choking away a division they should have won. Romo's stats in those 5 games?
101 for 142 (71%), 1158 yards, 10 TD, 1 INT, 115.9 QB rating. It's almost like his defense let him down!
That December and January, the Cowboys went 1-4, choking away a division they should have won. Romo's stats in those 5 games?
101 for 142 (71%), 1158 yards, 10 TD, 1 INT, 115.9 QB rating. It's almost like his defense let him down!
Omg! Actual stats that doesn't reflect the ESPN talking points?!?
MetalFearSolid
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Why is Romo being mentioned in a thread about the best QB of all time?
Good question.
Why is a QB with 9 single game eliminations and one Super Bowl over a 16 year career being mentioned with the likes of Brady and Montana?
MetalFearSolid
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Because Brady has spygate, tuck rule, game manager years and losses to Manning's little brother associated to his legacy.
And for Montana, I got nothing...just a great winner.
johnny_park
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Since 2009, Romo 35-33, Peyton 48 -14
Peyton played one less season because of his neck injury. If he lost all 16 games he'd still have a better record then him.
Dude, Brady has 5 Super Bowl appearances to Manning's 1 with 3 victories. Plus Brady is a much better competitor in comeback situations.
The spygate is a tiny slight on his career.
johnny_park
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I know right? Marino shouldn't be mentioned with these guys either. Obviously Marino is ranked behind Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, etc...
StanleyStutters
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Spygate was against the rules, but it's something that has been done in the league for years. Former players and coaches came out and said that what the Pats did was common. Tuck rule was a terrible rule, but the right call (in fact it cost the Pats a game earlier in the season). Game manager who lead several comebacks, including one in the Super Bowl against the Rams backed up on his own side of the field with no timeouts. Losses to Eli are irrelevant, Peyton has several big losses to Brady, and they both lost to Sanchez in the postseason.
Don't get ahead of yourself.
The conversation is, is Manning the greatest ever. Greatest ability and greatest football IQ? Those are better arguments. Those also factor into the discussion of ranking players.
Discussing greatest ever has to include Super Bowls as the most important factor, however.
Manning is top 5 for sure. I'd put him 3rd behind Montana and Brady. Winning one more Super Bowl might be enough to convince me he is the best but he needs one more to enter that discussion, in my opinion.
johnny_park
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You're the one who asked why is he even in the discussion with Montana and Brady. It's pretty obvious why he is.
You couldn't go wrong having any of these guys as your starting Qb. As for me I'd choose Elway.
To be fair, those miracles could have easily been fuck ups instead.
In two of the biggest games in his career, he outplayed Brady and made plays when it mattered.
If Eli is in this discussion, then Ben Burger should be in it too.
RetroGreg
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I'm a Niner fan so I obviously think Montana is the greatest ever. Peyton loses too many big games. Even this year losing when he went back to Indy, by far the biggest game he played this year. Denver's 2nd loss this year? Against Tom Brady. I think Brady is 9-4 against Peyton all time. Peyton's going to choke in the playoffs this year too. The year Peyton did win the Super Bowl he threw more picks than touchdowns during the whole playoff run. His defense bailed him out.
In the AFC Championship that year, he had a game winning drive to seal a 18 point comeback (largest comeback in an AFC Championship I believe). As a Colts fan, it was probably my favorite drive of his career. Clutch as fuck.
A lot of people like to overlook it though.
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