I'll be happy with Snake's level of knockback.
It was a fun experience seeing that dude hit like a truck when I first picked him.
Super Smash Bros Wii U & 3DS Thread 4: New Year, Old Arguments
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I'll be happy with Snake's level of knockback.
It was a fun experience seeing that dude hit like a truck when I first picked him.
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Toon Link and Regular-Ass Link's Master Swords look significantly different to one another despite being the same sword timeline-wise.
I wouldn't say significantly, but yes:
Wind Waker did explain that without the sages prayers that the sword loses its blessing (and shape) though, so it's a bit more malleable.
Twilight Princess and Wind Waker are obviously nothing like each other visually -- that's pretty much the reason we have Toon Link as a separate character. Of course, each new Fire Emblem game looks a bit different than the previous one, but that's more a natural design evolution than a conscious effort to shift art styles. Wind Waker has an intentionally cartoony look, so it's fine for Toon Link's sword to look different than regular Link's.
I just think that since Marth and Chrom use the same sword in a similarly "realistic" art style, it would be strange for them to have different swords in Smash Bros. The SSB Falchion would look odd on Chrom, but at the same time it would be weird for Chrom to wield a different Falchion design altogether. I don't know... it just seems stranger the more I think about it.
So same sword, but it can look different from one generation to the next.
Guess that won't be an obstacle to Chrom's inclusion then!
"Other than the blade"
Also, from that same page:
"Falchion's blade will never dull or rust no matter how much time passes."
The SSB Falchion blade looks nothing like the Awakening Falchion blade, which is why I'm feeling a bit unsure. It would be weird for Chrom to randomly have an old, pre-Awakening Falchion design, but it would be just as weird for Chrom's Falchion blade to be different than Marth's since they're supposed to be the same sword.
OrangeGrayBlue
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8 hours away from the first update in a week! I think the world is ready for Captain Falcon.
Sakurai wouldn't let this keep Chrom out. He'd find away around it, for sure, whether it's a throwaway explanation in Chrom's trophy description, some sort of special effect like a glow that is tied to Chrom, or whatever.
Ludobacarkive discobisicuts for the greater good of gameplay my friend.
Yay!
soviet prince
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I would like to toss it out here since I was thinking of E3 2013, and now I realized that we are almost half way to see E3 2014. Date for E3 2014 is June 10-12 2014, and we still have 6 months and 5 days to go.
So it made me pondering "Would we still get epic trailers for Smash, or would we got our hand on the game before E3 happened?"
hoping it comes out before or a week or so after
And while it's a departure, it's not a super dramatic one. You can actually see a couple elements of Marth's Falchion in the one that's wielded in Awakening.
There's even a gaping hole where the gem was set.
Akibastman
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Samus is in the first trailer.
Samus.
soviet prince
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why you say that, the game seemes to be far in development, also didn't sakurai say balancing comes last? It seems like he is balancing them now
EmCeeGramr
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Speaking of Master Sword artistic variation, the Master Sword in ALBW is weird.
It starts out as a cartoony WW-ish Master Sword with a white fat blade, then upgrading it suddenly gives it realistic proportions and metal coloration.
It starts out as a cartoony WW-ish Master Sword with a white fat blade, then upgrading it suddenly gives it realistic proportions and metal coloration.
theprodigy
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Chrom can just wield the Exalted Falchion, which as a orange glow on it and probably looks more like the Monado than the old Falchion
inb4 Ryce says this deconfirms Shulk
I don't think Chrom is out because of the sword, I just think it's possible that Marth having an older Falchion design is a result of Chrom not being in the game to begin with. It's easier to justify an older design when the newer design isn't featured in the game.
Also, on a semi-related note, it's kind of interesting that when Sakurai was putting Brawl's roster together, he listed "someone from Fire Emblem" instead of Ike. He only settled on Ike after being told by the Fire Emblem producer that Ike would be featured in Radiant Dawn, making him the second protagonist after Marth to star in two Fire Emblem games. Ike was clearly regarded as an important character internally by Intelligent Systems. The producer also suggested that Ike should be "deceptively powerful," wielding a heavy sword with only one hand. Ike was conceptually distinct from Marth from the get-go.
Conversely, even though Awakening is a popular game, Chrom would be such a stale Smash Bros. character -- he looks sort of similar to Marth, and he even uses the same sword. Considering how big a deal Sakurai's been making about newcomers having to be unique and distinct, Chrom seems like such an uninspiring addition. His reveal trailer would be an incredibly boring retread.
Unless, of course, he's paired up with Lucina/Avatar...
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User 73706
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Zoot Suit Samus.
Ridley in Assist Trophy form swoops in and picks you up to save you from falling to your death, only to scrape your face across the wall and roar before letting go.
He never said that, and he wouldn't have to make a New Year's resolution to get the game out in 2014 if it really was on track to be a summer release.
November if we're lucky.
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Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
Takamaru will wield the Awakening Falchion.
theprodigy
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this doesn't make sense because Marth himself doesn't actually appear in the game, nor would him wielding a redesigned Falchion 2000 years later make any sense
especially because if anything, Marth using the old one makes it more likely someone is wielding the new one
Akibastman
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Why are you talking about Fire Emblem swords since we already have two Link with two Master Sword ?
Why would this "Falchion" exclude any character ? It's Smash Bros guys, the game where Solid Snake can launch a rocket on Sonic the Hedgehog while he's fighting Mario.
I don't really care about Fire Emblem but I seriously doubt that Sakurai will exclude a character because he has the same sword as Marth. If Chrom is not in, it surely won't be because of the Falchion.
Why would this "Falchion" exclude any character ? It's Smash Bros guys, the game where Solid Snake can launch a rocket on Sonic the Hedgehog while he's fighting Mario.
I don't really care about Fire Emblem but I seriously doubt that Sakurai will exclude a character because he has the same sword as Marth. If Chrom is not in, it surely won't be because of the Falchion.
Spring-Loaded
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Captain Falcon should be an item.
Green Mamba
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I'm not sure his sword has anything to do with it, but I am a big doubter of Chrom's chances because of the other reasons Ryce lists--he's conceptually boring and adds nothing of note to the cast.
And the dual Fire Emblem character mechanic I chalk up to "fan favorite idea that will never, ever happen."
And the dual Fire Emblem character mechanic I chalk up to "fan favorite idea that will never, ever happen."
Chrom's biggest hurdle is that he's not a distinct character moreso than his sharing a sword with someone else on the cast. His design (and his daughter's design) are intended to evoke Marth, his fighting style is supposed to be similar to Marth, and the character that knew Marth mistakes Chrom for him. Unless they do something crazy with him (i.e. Lucinia pair-up) he'd be a redundant choice..
edit: Mamba beat me to it, much more concisely.
But toon link exists, on the roster.
OrangeGrayBlue
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But then he can't show you his moves...
NUMBER 3 !
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAADMUKlfvaAAFA
Not a classic choice, but it IS one of the most active mascots outside Mario and Sonic
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAADMUKlfvaAAFA
Not a classic choice, but it IS one of the most active mascots outside Mario and Sonic
He's stylistically and proportionally different than Link. Chrom looks like Marth.
theprodigy
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it's only redundant if I don't want that character in this game!
I actually included Chrom in my original roster prediction for IntelliHeath's E3 contest, but that was before I really knew anything about the character. I still think he's possible -- it's just that he's uninteresting, and he seems like too obvious of a roster addition. He's the safest newcomer imaginable.
The common line of thinking is, "Roy was in Melee and Ike was in Brawl, so surely Chrom will be in SSB4!" It's almost as if more people expect Chrom than actually want him.
Karsticles
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Why can't Chrom just be a Marth alt costume? Nothing about him demands a new moveset.
OrangeGrayBlue
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Toon Link looks drastically different though. Chrom looks like Marth. I'd much rather just keep Ike and, if FE is to get a 3rd rep, have it be two paired characters.
So two characters can't look similar and fight similar because it would offend your artistic sensibilities?
Man its the game called Street fighter, and Tekken WOO Boy. You gonna hate those.
I don't think "they look a like" is a reasonable argument against someone wanting their favorite character in.
Demand.
People wanting to play as chrom not as a skin, ect. You might be supried, but making a character a skin is a middle finger to a lot of people.
Epically when STAR FOX has 3 people. STAR FOX.
Akibastman
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That's what I wanted to say. If Chrom isn't in the game, the sword itself won't be the problem. As you said, it will be because of his moveset or his likeness with Marth.
The only thing that could stop chrom from being a character is if Robin becomes an actual playable character. Imo, Chrom has a unique style and Sakurai could easily differentiate him from Marth if he plans to include him. I don't have the sell records on hand but I feel Awakening has done very well for itself so I can see it getting a character and an AT at the least.
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Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
Demand alone doesn't sway Sakurai. Otherwise, Ridley would have been in Brawl.
Adventures came out in 2002, Assault came out in 2005, and Command came out in 2006 when Sakurai was putting together Brawls roster, Star Fox was a thriving series with worldwide recognition. Three characters was justifiable at the time. He couldnt have predicted the future.
That's a remarkably dinginuious statement and you know it. Sakurai's commented on how he avoids picking characters that aren't distinct or don't add much, which makes the proposition of Chrom look pretty bad.
It's a much different game and style than a traditional 2D fighter like Street Fighter, where much less is going on at a time that isn't controlled by players.
And nobody's getting criticized for wanting their favorite characters in, only the ones insisting that it's a "sure thing."
Thats true, but wolf got in.
So I dunno.
A new character from a franchise that has new success and an adverting opportunity, AND the game is popular and the characters are popular.
I trying figure out why people like he ain't getting in?
" hey plays similar to another person, and ....... kind sort of... if you squint real hard on a Tuesday looks like marth."
You mean that thing that doesn't stop people from getting in fighting games?
theprodigy
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Internet wankers don't count
How are going coming up with this?
Isn't this guy who put and attempted to put a again , the doctor version of a character in?
Seems like it. " they look alike" is the silliest explanation I have ever heard. Even though the bickering has grown tiring at least the "ridley is too big " argument has some thematic reason in which would could argue his unplayable nature, along with the guy being a stage hazard. And a boss in the previous installment, But looking alike? The guy put the Dr. Version of a character in Melee and was ready to do it agian in brawl. Along with Plussel and Minum two pikachu like creatures, oh yeah Pichu.
Looking alike and playing simular is not a restriction of his game design.
Lucas an Ness share a lot of qualities and have similar move sets too by the way.
That is my point, fire emblem seems to be doing real well.
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Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
Does Nintendo send you ballots in the mail?