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Miz was the last great heel champion, so I do care that he won.

Cody and Goldust are two of the best workers in the company, doesn't mean they are supposed to hold down a meaningless belt that pairs them. Goldy doesn't even have a contract, so he is working towards a payoff.

Sorry to break your heart Sanjuro but Miz's reign was awful and as worthless as Slater's/Otunga's tag reign. On another note Zeb's seen as a heel because what he says is racist bullshit.

Point being is that the tag belts were worth something on Cody and Goldust, and they could have been worth something on a heel team that was built up to take the belts from them. Not so much from shitty 40/50 year olds who could never work.
 
What do you expect? When you are fed shit for so long it starts to taste good. It's why I stopped watching. I realized it just made me miserable. I don't see how anyone can watch 3+ hours of this stuff every week unless they have a ton of self-contempt and are masochistic.

The lone fact you are in this thread means you haven't "stopped' watching.

WWE knows their audience. All these crybaby fans will be back for more. Until then?

Vince: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
 
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It's rare to see a teddy bear like Foley so pissed.

Again. $1 bet. Mick's on TV before 'Mania 'defending' Daniel Bryan against the evil Authority.

Really, if DB left the WWE right now, showed up on TNA, quickly picked up their World Heavyweight title, and got fed heel after heel for a decade or two I get the feeling he'd keep his popularity. Cena, on the other hand, has nothing on either man in terms of crowd support.

No. Just no. Jeff Hardy was as almost as over as Bryan was when he left WWE for TNA and he immediately fell off the radar. Same thing with Angle leaving for TNA in '06.

But, why would Bryan leave? His Wrestlemania check is probably going to be more than he made most years working the indies. Everybody in this thread is probably far more worried about his push than he is.
 
Sorry to break your heart Sanjuro but Miz's reign was awful and as worthless as Slater's/Otunga's tag reign. On another note Zeb's seen as a heel because what he says is racist bullshit.

Point being is that the tag belts were worth something on Cody and Goldust, and they could have been worth something on a heel team that was built up to take the belts from them. Not so much from shitty 40/50 year olds who could never work.

Miz's run as champion was infinitely superior to Orton's now. Better in the ring, better on the mic and the fans actually gave a shit to hate the guy.

Orton's title reign right now is literally going to go down as one of the worst runs ever It's been completely fucking worthless. Orton is god awful in every facet, dude is incapable of having a good match with anybody whether its Bryan or Cena or Kofi Kingston or anybody else on the roster. Orton vs Batista is going to be ugly.
 
Sorry to break your heart Sanjuro but Miz's reign was awful and as worthless as Slater's/Otunga's tag reign. On another note Zeb's seen as a heel because what he says is racist bullshit.

Point being is that the tag belts were worth something on Cody and Goldust, and they could have been worth something on a heel team that was built up to take the belts from them. Not so much from shitty 40/50 year olds who could never work.

Everything you typed here is revisionist history.

Of course the Miz's run was "awful and worthless". In reality, people hated him, and he played the role needed.

Zeb isn't a heel as well. He is acting as one, but a majority of the crowds love him in both a sarcastic and realistic manner depending on the venue. It's really outstanding.

Cody and Goldust did nothing worth anything. People who watch the programing know they are special performers. A stupid title hindering their progress doesn't change or enhance that.
 
Miz was fine at the time. He fell apart like all their upper-mid heels they've fed to Cena have fallen apart - they get bored with them.
 
I think Batista is turning heel. First I thought right after Wrestlemania when he's had a match with Lesnar, now I'm thinking the plan all along was probably prior to Wrestlemania since I don't think a Lesnar match is happening.

Triple H hinting that Batista could be the new 'face of the WWE'. Daniel Bryan had that kayfabe interview saying that the Authority doesn't want him anywhere near the Royal Rumble. Then his tweets tonight saying similar stuff which just seems like it has to be a work. They still have the unresolved issue with Bryan and the Authority last year too. Now with Cena seemingly involved with Wyatt, which means no Cena/Undertaker, Lesnar is probably going to be involved in that match instead. This means no Batista/Lesnar, which also means that Batista has no opponent. Orton doesn't count because WWE will definitely not do that match. Only reactionary and crazy people think that.

I think this means Bryan is getting the title next month, and Batista is likely going to heel turn on him at some point in the next few weeks.
 
Miz was fine at the time. He fell apart like all their upper-mid heels they've fed to Cena have fallen apart - they get bored with them.

The cowardly heel champion is the best champion. Everyone fucking believed Lawler was about to win that title because the Miz was so fucking poor. Everyone hated that he couldn't get a clean victory. In reality, he won every week he went out there.
 
I stopped watching regularly a long-ass time ago. I still turn on Raw for background noise like once every 2 or 3 months, but I check the dirtsheets and check in on rassle GAF way, way more than I actually watch.

And y'all motherfuckers are getting woooorked harder than you've ever been worked before. Shit is genius. Kind of dangerous, but genius.
 
I like you. You're completely delusional. You're the ideal WWE fan.
Hey, I'm not the fan who thought Batista wasn't winning this Rumble match. That was all you fools.

I'm just saying I don't believe for a second WWE will ever do Batista/Orton and since Cena is busy with Bray now, that means Lesnar is not an option for Batista since he's going to be with the Undertaker. That leaves Batista with no opponent.
 
No argument here.


See, I just think that softens any notion of a push. I could see that working if there was honestly reason to believe that somehow, someway, Punk and Bryan just don't have what it takes to overthrow the Authority without the help of two wrestling legends. I think part of the reason so many people are disappointed with Punk and Bryan's push is because they've gotten themselves over to the point that they should be able to overthrow the authority to bring this to a close by themselves and they're simply not being allowed to for unclear/stupid reasons. The audience already knows they're good enough; It doesn't help their case if Sting/Hogan get involved.

As much as I'd like for Bryan and Punk to do it without outside help, I don't think the WWE would allow it. Maybe Sheamus and Cena, but don't see Bryan and punk overcoming the odds right now.
 
And y'all motherfuckers are getting woooorked harder than you've ever been worked before. Shit is genius. Kind of dangerous, but genius.

There's literally NO CHANCE IN HELL this is an angle. Everyone in the company could come out a year from now and say "Yeah, that was an angle" after Daniel Bryan's had a crazy rise to the top of the company, and I wouldn't buy that for a second.

No way. Unpossible. The current WWE can barely book week to week much less pull something like this off. It's just pure terribleness on display.
 
People put way too much faith in WWE "working everyone", they managed to drop the ball with Punk, they can do the same with Bryan.

There's like a 95% chance they'll fuck up the follow through, but how well they've worked everyone into a frenzy by not putting Bryan in the rumble is fucking amazing.
 
It's something amazing really, you know what your customers want, but decide to give them the opposite each time. Each time they do this the payoff isn't even that good. They have been like this for about a decade now. It's weird cause it comes off like a child man that they aren't getting their way so they so fuck it to everyone else.

I mean they don't have competition like they did in the 90's but, I don't get the mentality with this company. It's almost like they are brain dead.
 
THANK YOU

You've put into words what I could not.

I stopped watching wrestling July 2012. I've started watching a few minutes again here and there and read the recaps of Raw and ppv(like tonight I did not watch this ppv). I will probably have Raw on in the background tomorrow to see the crowd shit all over what they put out and I will be out full time again after Mania.

There's literally NO CHANCE IN HELL this is an angle. Everyone in the company could come out a year from now and say "Yeah, that was an angle" after Daniel Bryan's had a crazy rise to the top of the company, and I wouldn't buy that for a second.

No way. Unpossible. The current WWE can barely book week to week much less pull something like this off. It's just pure terribleness on display.

Exactly. Having Bray go over him almost clean has no benefit for Bryan. Throwing Bryan into the Wyatt family had no benefit if this is what they are going for. WWE does what they want and doesn't give a shit if you don't like it. Ever since Cena has been main eventing they've squandered opportunity after opportunity to create a new star and they always do something to fuck it up. They never fail to do so. Wyatt is up next with the Cena feud.
 
Didn't Punk have that "year reign" tho? Bryan never had the strap let alone the ball in the first place

He did, but he still wasn't the top focus during that. It was still Cena. During his over year long run as champion, the only time he actually main evented a PPV was against Cena, HIAC with Ryback, and against Rock.


Matches that got the main event over Punk during that reign: HHH vs Bork, Cena vs Johnny Ace, Rock vs Cena, Kane vs Cena, Brock vs Cena, Cena vs Big Show, Raw MITB.
 
Some of us haven't watched RAW regularly for a number of years.
You can divorce yourself from the WWE while still actively contributing to WrassleGAF.
Whether it's to troll the people who still take the current shit seriously or to appreciate strobogo's amazing nostalgia write-ups or to rave about NJPW and the quality product put out by other companies.
And yes, the WWE does put out good matches from time to time too. Like Bryan vs. Wyatt tonight. We can still appreciate those in a vacuum.
 
his stock had already been lowered(not that it wasn't still high) by then after they screwed up the "Summer of Punk" with HHH and Kevin Nash and texting nonsense

He did, but he still wasn't the top focus during that. It was still Cena. During his over year long run as champion, the only time he actually main evented a PPV was against Cena, HIAC with Ryback, and against Rock.


Matches that got the main event over Punk during that reign: HHH vs Bork, Cena vs Johnny Ace, Rock vs Cena, Kane vs Cena, Brock vs Cena, Cena vs Big Show, Raw MITB.

Maybe it was a sort of "payback" for the whole shoot he did that seemed to get a little more personal at the end then it should have been. Idk anymore. I havn't seen Raw as much as I wanted to for the past year or so but morale seems lower then it ever has been
 
So, Rumble:

THE GOOD
Bray vs Bryan--nothing bad here at all. Will be rewatching this a few times over the course of the year. Great stuff.
The first 97% of the Rumble--the entrant order worked and tons of great character moments, logical moments, good storytelling and a solid build of every entrant up until the Miz entered, n which case it was a series of a few jobbers followed by someone like Cesaro who would make their big spot, someone would eliminate the jobbers and then everything went to hell around Del Rio's entry. More below.
Ziggler Chants!
The crowd--the only thing that made Orton-Cena watchable and they made it so very watchable. Good work.

THE BAD
The end of the Rumble--No explanation needed here.
Brock vs Big Show--What a boring waste of Lesnar. Charishots: The Match! You couldn't give us something more substantial? Waste of time, repetitive, does nothing for either person except establish Lesnar's a sadist which did not need establishing. And the WMD is still the stupidest finisher ever.
This list--
Daniel Bryan
Boring
Randy Savage
Y2J
Undertaker
You Both Suck
Yes!
Boo
End this match
This is awful
WE WANT DIVAS/WE WANT REFUNDS

Listen to your fans, WWE. They don't like what you're shoveling and to poorly paraphrase the words of The Rise and Fall of WCW, When wrestling business is good it's good, but when the fans turn on the business it's hard to recapture their attention.

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BTW, if Kane's elimination of Punk counts, then he just tied HBK's record.[/QUOTE]

Took you long enough to realize that; I'd have thought that would have been your first thought as soon as Punk spilled over the top rope. Thought that would make you happy.

[quote="strobogo, post: 98615336"]Can we talk about how great Bray Wyatt looked tonight? Dude kept up with Bryan the whole match and had a great match. All the people saying Bray sucked looked like total shit heads tonight, because that was the best WWE match since August of last year. Dude knows how to wrestle, but more importantly, knows how to wrestle in character, which no one in WWE does anymore. Sure, Kane was in shape. Sure, Bryan was super over. But Bray looked awesome and completely cemented himself as a top level star tonight.[/QUOTE]

This is why I picked him for the avatar rumble. Bray Wyatt, for whatever faults he might have, is a solid character actor and a good to great storyteller in and out of the ring. Magnificent work tonight and I'm never not excited to see him on the show.

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It's rare to see a teddy bear like Foley so pissed.[/QUOTE]

Contrary to Ewiak's stance, I seriously doubt a post with an f-bomb has anything to do with an upcoming angle and this might be legit, in which case, [I]damn[/I]. What a tumultuous period for the company.

[quote="BoboBrazil, post: 98615555"]Unfortunately he's just hopped aboard the burial train going in a feud with Cena. Verbal burial begins tomorrow night. I wonder when we will get the 3 on 1 Wyatt Family vs Cena match where he goes over?[/QUOTE]

I am so god damned afraid that this is the start of Wyatt's downfall. Nothing survives an encounter with Cena. He doesn't sell in the ring, he doesn't sell on the ramp and he sure as hell doesn't sell on the mic where Bray shines. Nothing is sacred to Cena and he will undermine the gravitas the Wyatt's built around their characters as sure as he will cleanly win the Mania match. It's a precharted minefield of shit promos, middling matches and ends with the Wyatts slinking away after April to do the joke tag team thing around July.
 
Well it's not like I can win the "it's a work" argument anyway, since if HHH comes out tomorrow and cuts a promo on how he knows the people think they want Daniel Bryan but he knows what they actually want, and turns it into a thing, people will just option select into how WWE's hand was forced into turning it into an angle by the overwhelming reaction.
 
Well it's not like I can win the "it's a work" argument anyway, since if HHH comes out tomorrow and cuts a promo on how he knows the people think they want Daniel Bryan but he knows what they actually want, and turns it into a thing, people will just option select into how WWE's hand was forced into turning it into an angle by the overwhelming reaction.

There is zero chance that they wanted Batista to be booed out of the building like that.
 
There's like a 95% chance they'll fuck up the follow through, but how well they've worked everyone into a frenzy by not putting Bryan in the rumble is fucking amazing.

I do not think their objective was to piss people off by not putting Bryan in the rumble it was more to protect Batista and Roman Reigns but it backfired horribly and Daniel Bryan despite losing cleanly to Bray Wyatt is the talk of the entire pay per view. Roman Reigns eliminated 12 people and almost won and he takes a backseat to the guy who lost clean in the pay per view opener. Batista won and got booed out of the building despite just returning monday after being gone for 4 years.
 
bleck. I could easily stop watching full eps of Raw, it's not like i'm able to watch it live anyway. we'll see how that goes!

I should learn to not joke about things i think they'd do, because a few weeks ago everyone was all "oh lol i bet they'll debut Alexander Rusev in the Royal Rumble and he'll beat up your favorites lol" and they went and actually did it. Cue me shouting WHAT?!?! at the TV while everyone else was like "wait who is this."

His appearance in the Rumble was actually pretty great though. He probably won't be able to follow up on that but at least he had an impressive debut.
 
I am so god damned afraid that this is the start of Wyatt's downfall. Nothing survives an encounter with Cena. He doesn't sell in the ring, he doesn't sell on the ramp and he sure as hell doesn't sell on the mic where Bray shines. Nothing is sacred to Cena and he will undermine the gravitas the Wyatt's built around their characters as sure as he will cleanly win the Mania match. It's a precharted minefield of shit promos, middling matches and ends with the Wyatts slinking away after April to do the joke tag team thing around July.
As great as Bray looked tonight, you have to know that a feud with Cena means it's all downhill from here.
 
Well it's not like I can win the "it's a work" argument anyway, since if HHH comes out tomorrow and cuts a promo on how he knows the people think they want Daniel Bryan but he knows what they actually want, and turns it into a thing, people will just option select into how WWE's hand was forced into turning it into an angle by the overwhelming reaction.

Because it would be the truth. They've squandered a million different angles and wrestlers for years and years now, the most recent one being CM Punk who was absolutely on fire the night of "The Shoot." All of a sudden they're capable of stringing people along for a multi-year glass ceiling angle? Absolutely, positively no way they've planned this, and nobody, not even Daniel Bryan himself in a shoot interview, could convince me otherwise.
 
Well it's not like I can win the "it's a work" argument anyway, since if HHH comes out tomorrow and cuts a promo on how he knows the people think they want Daniel Bryan but he knows what they actually want, and turns it into a thing, people will just option select into how WWE's hand was forced into turning it into an angle by the overwhelming reaction.
But if it is a work, it makes the past few pages look so hilarious in retrospect. And if we're wrong-- who really gives a shit!

No there's an option select.
 
I don't see why Batista would purposely want legit hatred towards him when he's trying to sell a movie. You could probably work with some obviously fake heel heat to sell your stuff, but you can't sell anything with a real life hate angle. You'd think they'd try to save the legit hate angle for someone else.
 
^that's kind of why their in a booking corner....again

Promoting movie usually means returning star will be Face. Especially a superhero one. I don't think he came back to be the bad guy for kids while promoting a movie for kids where he is the good guy

this is actually interesting.....in a "slow implosion" way
 
he's playing Drax the Destroyer, he could probably get away with not acting like the nicest guy on earth
 
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