True Detective - McConaughey/Harrelson crime series - S2 starts June 21st

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inm8num2 said:
I liked the Lone Star beer cans on the table during Rust's interrogation as a subtle nod to McConaughey's earlier role in the film of the same name. Yes, I know Texas is the Lone Star state, the beer is a real brand, etc.
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Maybe part of their contracts, in having Harrelson/McConaughey agree to be on the show, is that the show needs to have constant references to their previous work. All we need now are some quotes from Cheers.
 
James Woods said:
That doesn't change the fact that he's annoying and says tons of empty bullshit.
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he is like that because is what he believes, it is supposed to make people uncomfortable.

tino said:
So far we actually get a lot more of Marty'a life than Rust's. In Ep 3 there is no personally life of Rust at all.

I think they are going to kill the gas mask guy in confrontation and pin him as the sole perpetrator.
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that was a given when woody asked the detectives if they ever been in a shootout.
 
After it shows them eating at the Vietnamese place, it cuts to one of Marty's interviews. One of the cops asks Martyy if he thinks Rust pushed the investigation in a certain direction and/or kept it out of the hands of the task force.

Does that sound right? If so, where are they going with this?

Does anyone feel like the interviews with Rust are somewhat more antagonistic than the ones with Marty?
 
I really like Rust's monologues. But maybe I like well-delivered monologues in general. I don't believe in what Rust says, but it does have an effect on me.

But man, if I spent eight hours with 2012 Rust, I'd probably wanna kill myself.

I kinda wanna hang out 1995 Rust though.
 
SD-Ness said:
After it shows them eating at the Vietnamese place, it cuts to one of Marty's interviews. One of the cops asks Martyy if he thinks Rust pushed the investigation in a certain direction and/or kept it out of the hands of the task force.

Does that sound right? If so, where are they going with this?

Does anyone feel like the interviews with Rust are somewhat more antagonistic than the ones with Marty?
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Yes, in the back of my mind I think they suspect Rust knows more than he's giving them. Either that or he's a suspect, especially with him being all weird. That sorta entered my mind but I sorta wrote it off thinking that would be way too obvious.
 
see5harp said:
Yes, in the back of my mind I think they suspect Rust knows more than he's giving them. Either that or he's a suspect, especially with him being all weird. That sorta entered my mind but I sorta wrote it off thinking that would be way too obvious.
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Rust is obviously the suspect in this new case, they didn't hide this from marty, my theory is that the real killer got away planting evidence just like in the last scene where that sculpture of wood can be seen, of course the killer knew every victim until now and their acquaintances..
 
I actually really like the fact that they showed a Bahn Mi spot. Gives it some authenticity. A lot of people don't realize that there's a large population of Vietnamese in LA.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
I think it's cutting it. So do many others. It's one of those things, you either feel the words or you don't. But just because you don't doesn't mean it's shit. You're just angry at it..like Marty!
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Yep. I can understand people being grated by his monologues, but I personally love the stuff.
 
see5harp said:
I actually really like the fact that they showed a Bahn Mi spot. Gives it some authenticity. A lot of people don't realize that there's a large population of Vietnamese in LA.
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A lot of Vietnamese all over the Gulf Coast. One of my closest friends is Vietnamese and is from Bay St. Louis.
 
Socreges said:
Yeah, nothing that Rust says is "empty". It's actually ridiculously concentrated and articulate, as if he's reading a nihilist handbook. It's nothing revolutionary (why does it need to be?). How it works for me is the interplay between his soliloquies and the show's events. I feel like he's the narrator in a Cormac McCarthy novel.
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I was getting that exact vibe. I think it's why I love his character so much.
 
see5harp said:
Yes, in the back of my mind I think they suspect Rust knows more than he's giving them. Either that or he's a suspect, especially with him being all weird. That sorta entered my mind but I sorta wrote it off thinking that would be way too obvious.
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I think it was obvious that the new murder had evidence pointed to one of the detective (Rust) thats why theywere interviewing them.
 
The question is who committed the 2012 killing if it wasn't Rust? I'm with everyone else in thinking that he certainly won't be the one responsible simply because of how obvious it would be, but at the same time we're so far in and we're only getting to the character that they assume did it the first time around. With how well written this show is, I couldn't see them throwing out a character that hasn't been introduced yet to make him/her the killer, especially with the pace at which the show moves.

I'm going to say it goes unresolved or (screw it) Rust did it and confesses in the final episode as the culmination of an incredibly bleak and disheartening speech and cuts his own throat with the knife, having finally gotten over his inability to kill himself. Could definitely see the knife as a big old Chekov's gun. I don't know. Maybe it was actually Marty and the girl is Alexandra Daddario or some shit, considering that I doubt he ever actually gave the detectives her name and Rust wasn't aware of Marty's sidepiece's identity.

Edit: Nevermind, I'm throwing all my eggs in the Marty basket. Rust sleeps with his wife, Marty ends up divorced. Alone, angry, and drunk, he turns into a man beyond a certain age without a family. We've seen that he's prone to bouts of extreme and near-uncontrollable rage, he's "all fucked up", and even though he's "not a psycho", we all know he's full of shit. Snaps one day when he's drunk, kills a girl, does it up to look like the serial killer because he knows that everyone'll be looking at Rust (revenge!), especially when he gets the chance to play "stand by your partner" in the interview while still talking about what seems like underlying mental instability. Once again, full of shit.

Could just be a random girl. I can't remember if they've given any specifics about her, but it would make sense for him to snap on Daddario years later after seeing her again. Her acting run is done on the show according to IMDB, but they could still throw a morgue photo in no problem. Rust wouldn't do it because he's not a dynamic character. He knows who he is and what he does, and he's not going to go through that sort of drastic change into a murderer, let alone that kind of murderer, so late in life. He's just gonna keep on being bleak and lacking the willpower to kill himself. Gonna be exciting seeing how wrong I am.

Ugh, this show.

I've never felt the urge to curse the game itself over the teams in it, but fuck you Superbowl.
 
tino said:
I think it was obvious that the new murder had evidence pointed to one of the detective (Rust) thats why theywere interviewing them.
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Well yea the thought definitely entered my mind. If they truly suspect him though, why would they bring him in for questioning. I would assume they have zero evidence to link him if they are already showing their cards. It could just be that they really have zero idea and need help. They could go a number of ways with the show. Hell they could have it shoot right back to present day and have woody and MM get back together to solve the case for good (cheesy sure but they could make it work). At this point, they've earned my trust. Carey Fukanaga is a helluva director. Everything he's done has impressed me.
 
Burt said:
Edit: Nevermind, I'm throwing all my eggs in the Marty basket. Rust sleeps with his wife, Marty ends up divorced. Alone, angry, and drunk, he turns into a man beyond a certain age without a family. We've seen that he's prone to bouts of extreme and near-uncontrollable rage, he's "all fucked up", and even though he's "not a psycho", we all know he's full of shit. Snaps one day when he's drunk, kills a girl, does it up to look like the serial killer because he knows that everyone'll be looking at Rust (revenge!), especially when he gets the chance to play "stand by your partner" in the interview while still talking about what seems like underlying mental instability. Once again, full of shit.
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Feels reasonable. I suppose we'll get closer after an episode or two.
 
Azula said:
I still find it odd he has a Jesus cross in his house. I don't entirely buy his explanation for that. Wouldn't be surprised if he was once religious.
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I think this and the fact that he hasn't put a bullet in his own head yet, show that he isn't beyond redemption in some form. (Even though I really dig the character the way he is)

Or maybe he just likes the torture of living in a life that he's let beat him down every step of the way.
 
Socreges said:
Yeah, nothing that Rust says is "empty". It's actually ridiculously concentrated and articulate, as if he's reading a nihilist handbook. It's nothing revolutionary (why does it need to be?). How it works for me is the interplay between his soliloquies and the show's events. I feel like he's the narrator in a Cormac McCarthy novel.
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Now I want a Blood Meridian HBO miniseries
 
fuck marty.

fuck him.

saying 'im not a psycho" means "YOU ARE A PSYCHO" I love the dichitomy (wrong word...) with what marty was doing and saying as he was barging in that girls home. :P
 
Pretty sure that the Reverend Tuttle guy is going to be the one that ends up killing people and he gets it covered up. He came up twice in the last episode for no reason. The occult squad is a way to keep him coming up until the reveal.

He probably abused the kids at that school.
 
I liked the ad for Game of Thrones at the start.
And then this story just floored me, it seems like the building of a great mystery.
 
Bet reverend Tuttle was organizing the drugging of addicts and undesirables over time to get them into a cult where they can be rounded up by the task force. LSD!

Rust does start hallucinating regularly after dipping into the town drug supply.

Or not. At all.
 
Did we see Rust borrow Marty's lawnmower last week or something? Why would Rust need that, he's the last man I would expect to mow his own lawn . Was that just contrived writing or did I miss something?

I feel like an asshole honing in on the one tiny thing about the episode that bothered me. Because otherwise it was an amazing hour of television. Show continues to feel more like cinema than anything on the tube right now.
 
xtrasauce said:
Did we see Rust borrow Marty's last week or something? Why would Rust need a lawnmower, he's the last man I would expect to care to mow his own lawn. Was that just contrived writing or did I miss something?

I feel like an asshole honing it on the one tiny thing about the episode that bothered me. Because otherwise it was an amazing hour of television. Show continues to feel more like cinema than anything on the tube right now.
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Yeah I didn't get that, either...
 
xtrasauce said:
I mean we saw what the interior of his home looks like in the first episode. The man does not give a fuck about his housing situation.
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Eh, I wouldn't say that. The room is pretty immaculate. It isn't that he doesn't give a shit, he just doesn't own anything in excess of his minimum needs. What he does have, though, he keeps in fairly spectacular condition and order. He would mow his lawn for the same reason that he cuts his hair and shaves, and hell, probably keeps his nails in perfect order too. I would say that he finds honor in that sort of spartan discipline, utilitarianism, and perfection. At least, relative to being a regular piece of human filth.

You could probably trace the reason back to the whole "humans are evil and wasteful and earth rapers" speech he gave in the first episode. Of course, he completely changes by the time we get the 2012, so it'll be interesting to see how that happens. Probably something about him no longer "trying to be part of the member/body/whatever" anymore after he leaves the force.
 
The mower doesn't really matter. The point is to show that Marty doesn't really know what's going on in his own household as well as he thinks he does. Rust could have borrowed the mower for a variety of reasons. There's no narrative reason to dwell on the borrowing.
 
lets get some theories on why rust would borrow the lawn mower. WHY'D U BORROW THE LAWN MOWER RUST!

1. rust actually still has a home but he chooses to live in a dumpy apartment. why? i don't know. maybe to concentrate on work or to punish himself for his daughters death.

2. rust has a small back area with grass on his apartment premesis. it looked to me like it was on the 2nd floor but i can't say for sure now!

3. rust has a family member who... needed him to mow the lawn?

4. rust had no need to borrow the mower except with the intention of returning it when marty wasn't home so that he could plant the seeds for operation "get inside martys wifes vag"
 
Burt said:
Eh, I wouldn't say that. The room is pretty immaculate. It isn't that he doesn't give a shit, he just doesn't own anything in excess of his minimum needs. What he does have, though, he keeps in fairly spectacular condition and order. He would mow his lawn for the same reason that he cuts his hair and shaves, and hell, probably keeps his nails in perfect order too. I would say that he finds honor in that sort of spartan discipline, utilitarianism, and perfection. At least, relative to being a regular piece of human filth.

You could probably trace the reason back to the whole "humans are evil and wasteful and earth rapers" speech he gave in the first episode. Of course, he completely changes by the time we get the 2012, so it'll be interesting to see how that happens. Probably something about him no longer "trying to be part of the member/body/whatever" anymore after he leaves the force.
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I stand corrected.

Still, I would like to see the scene where Rust borrows Marty's lawnmower. Seems absurd when I picture it in my mind.

duckroll said:
The mower doesn't really matter. The point is to show that Marty doesn't really know what's going on in his own household as well as he thinks he does. Rust could have borrowed the mower for a variety of reasons. There's no narrative reason to dwell on the borrowing.
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Things matter if they seem out of character, but I feel like Burt's explanation alleviated my initial skepticism.
 
Let's be honest, after hanging around with him for a few months, if Rust asked you to borrow your lawnmower would you ask him why? Or would you just let him have it and hope there isn't a follow up conversation?

"Can I borrow your lawn mower?"
"Why?"
"The blades of grass in my lawn are just dark symbols of our extensential-"
"Oh shut the fuck up Rust and take the goddamn mower!"
 
Beautiful, thanks for linking those images. Probably one of my favorite intros in quite some time.

I am so in love with this show right now. I don't know anyone else who's watching it, which is a shame, because I want to talk about it for hours. Everything else I'm watching right now pales in comparison.
 
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