Super Smash Bros Wii U & 3DS Thread 4: New Year, Old Arguments

So we haven't seen this part of the Rainbow Road stage. So did Mario Kart 7's Rainbow Road have all this stuff from the background or are they adding more Galaxy references?

Yeah it did. That's a part of the track where you can either glide through a bunch of launch stars and get boosts or do trick boosts off of the ramps.

edit: Beaten like 3 red shells in the final lap D:
 
Speaking of which, does anyone else think we'll get any cuts from the Brawl roster at this point? Lucas, Ike, and Snake were also on "the chopping black", but at this point I only really see it maybe being Snake and that's it.

Snake and Wolf are maybe's at this point. What's pretty telling is how Lucario wouldn't have been included if it were not for the extra manpower with Brawl. Makes me wonder how many other characters were close to being cut, and if these issues were reasons why characters like Wolf, Toon Link, Jigglypuff and R.O.B felt rushed compared to some of the other characters.

So is this "up until now" all over again?

Pretty much.
 
Sakurai called Lucario the "heroic" Aura Pokemon.

Heroic implies A Hero.

A Hero requires a villain.

Lucario is a Pokemon, so the villain must also be a Pokemon.

Villains have more savage hearts than any other being.

What Pokemon has a savage heart and is considered a villain?

Mewtwo.

Mewtwo confirmed!
Mewtwo Returns, as Lucario's fiercest rival.

My logic is undeniable.

shamelessly stolen from Smashboards
 
I feel much more confident about Ike returning, so I'm in good spirits.

Also, have we seen this stage before?

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New part of Rainbow Road. I really like the sky.

First time a veteran on 3DS has gotten more than a single screenshot? lol
 
Lucario was my favorite character in Brawl, hands-down. Loved to play as him.

Weirdly enough, I don't care about the character at all in his home series, I've never trained a Lucario or used one, even the free XY one was quickly dumped. Although I will say I really enjoy his Movie, it's pretty good for a Pokemon flick.
I had fun trying out Lucario's Mega Evolution in the story but didn't use him beyond that. He's BEASTLY.

Speaking of which, does anyone else think we'll get any cuts from the Brawl roster at this point? Lucas, Ike, and Snake were also on "the chopping black", but at this point I only really see it maybe being Snake and that's it.
I think it's quite possible everyone will come back from Brawl.

Sakurai makes a point in tonight's update of how the hard work of Brawl's staff made Lucario possible back then. I don't get the impression Sakurai is one to leave out unique characters who are already designed.

Leftover data on Brawl shows that Sakurai wanted to include Mewtwo and Roy in that game, and they must've been squeezed out due to time. With this go-around, I recall Sakurai saying in an interview that they ported over Brawl in its entirety, so I imagine that makes it even easier to work off of what is already there and keep all of the characters from Brawl.
 
Whoa, Lucario? Interesting. What does this mean for Mewtwo, I wonder? It's hard to say either way... I definitely don't think it means for sure that he isn't coming back, and Sakurai would likely hold out on his reveal longer than Lucario's since it would be a bigger deal.

Still, I'm honestly surprised Lucario is back.
 
Speaking of which, does anyone else think we'll get any cuts from the Brawl roster at this point? Lucas, Ike, and Snake were also on "the chopping black", but at this point I only really see it maybe being Snake and that's it.

Yoshi
Captain Falcon
Jiggilypuff
Pokemon Trainer
Ness
Lucas
Sheik
Ganondorf
Ice Climbers
Falco
Wolf
Mr. Game & Watch
Wario
Diddy Kong
Ike
Zero Suit Samus
Meta Knight
R.O.B.
Snake

What if... Mewtwo is the Gen 6 rep?

I think Game Freak would rather have a new 'Mon in there.
 
Not that big into Lucario, but still cool to see another Brawl character a ton of 'leaks' insisted was cut. Looks pretty identical to how he did in the last game though, beyond the better facial reactions.
 
Snake and Wolf are maybe's at this point. What's pretty telling is how Lucario wouldn't have been included if it were not for the extra manpower with Brawl. Makes me wonder how many other characters were close to being cut, and if these issues were reasons why characters like Wolf, Toon Link, Jigglypuff and R.O.B felt rushed compared to some of the other characters.

I forgot about Wolf! I enjoy him more than Fox and Falco, but he's not a priority for me.

Come onnnnnnn Lucas.
 
Yoshi
Captain Falcon
Jiggilypuff
Pokemon Trainer
Ness
Lucas
Sheik
Ganondorf
Ice Climbers
Falco
Wolf
Mr. Game & Watch
Wario
Diddy Kong
Ike
Zero Suit Samus
Meta Knight
R.O.B.
Snake

Wow, 22 revealed so far and 19 left from Brawl? I really hope we do end up getting 6-8 more newcomers to finish out the game. I also hope the rest of the newcomers are left secret
 
Sakurai called Lucario the "heroic" Aura Pokemon.

Heroic implies A Hero.

A Hero requires a villain.

Lucario is a Pokemon, so the villain must also be a Pokemon.

Villains have more savage hearts than any other being.

What Pokemon has a savage heart and is considered a villain?

Mewtwo.

Mewtwo confirmed!
Mewtwo Returns, as Lucario's fiercest rival.

My logic is undeniable.

shamelessly stolen from Smashboards
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I feel much more confident about Ike returning, so I'm in good spirits.

Also, have we seen this stage before?

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I believe its mario kart 7's rainbow road stage

now that I think about it, we havent had any pokemon nor starfox stage revealed yet.
 
Sakurai called Lucario the "heroic" Aura Pokemon.

Heroic implies A Hero.

A Hero requires a villain.

Lucario is a Pokemon, so the villain must also be a Pokemon.

Villains have more savage hearts than any other being.

What Pokemon has a savage heart and is considered a villain?

Mewtwo.

Mewtwo confirmed!
Mewtwo Returns, as Lucario's fiercest rival.

My logic is undeniable.

shamelessly stolen from Smashboards

This actually sounds plausible. Makes sense too.
 
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I think Game Freak would rather have a new 'Mon in there.

The only guys I can even consider from that list are Wolf (likely), Lucas (maybe), Game & Watch (unique, doubt it), Ike (probably), R.O.B. (not popular, maybe), Wario (doubt it), and Snake (possibly).

Most everyone else seems like a mainstay at this point. I'd cut ROB or GW for a new 'mon, IMO.

Anyone hear any news about Pokemon Trainer? I hope he gets 3 new 'mons to choose from.
 
I don't get thinking that characters will get cut. I just don't. Sakurai hates cutting characters that he worked hard on and that contribute to the roster. Just because it happened once doesn't mean it's going to happen again.

The only, and I mean the only character I can see getting cut is Snake. And that's due to issues with Konami. Even then, I think he'll return.

But whatevs.
 
The only guys I can even consider from that list are Wolf (likely), Lucas (maybe), Game & Watch (unique, doubt it), Ike (probably), R.O.B. (not popular, maybe), Wario (doubt it), and Snake (possibly).

Most everyone else seems like a mainstay at this point. I'd cut ROB or GW for a new 'mon, IMO.

Anyone hear any news about Pokemon Trainer? I hope he gets 3 new one too choose from.
ROB and Mr. Game & Watch are incredibly unique, both in concept and execution. I actually think they're among the least likely to be cut. Sakurai loves clever characters and they're certainly clever.

Also, there was this staff drawing at the onset of production, featuring Mr. G&W, at least:

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Sure, doesn't prove anything, but if nothing else it shows their staff hasn't forgotten my main, Mr. G&W. And I doubt they'd forget ROB anytime soon.
 
ROB and Mr. Game & Watch are incredibly unique, both in concept and execution. I actually think they're among the least likely to be cut. Sakurai loves clever characters and they're certainly clever.

Also, there was this staff drawing at the onset of production, featuring Mr. G&W, at least:

smash_bros_whiteboard.jpg


Sure, doesn't prove anything, but if nothing else it shows their staff hasn't forgotten my main, Mr. G&W. And I doubt they'd forget ROB anytime son.

No Yoshi. Cut imminent.
 
Overall this was a solid week of pics. We got a new item,stage, and Character confirmation. Next week we'll probably see alot of LucarioXRosalina pics.
 
SHIT SON

Mewtwo next :)

you'll take your pichu and like it

Also leaning towards there not being any unlockable characters this time around. Or, at the very least, none of the veterans being unlockable this time. Seems really weird to announce them so far ahead of time otherwise, even if Sonic/Snake were also hidden in Brawl.
 
Why?

I'd really like to know specifically why you think that. Just curious, is all.

Because showing off a new 'Mon is better promotion for their new games than "Hey look how we fucked up your favorite Pokemon designs." Besides, there's always been a rep for the most recent Pokemon games in each Smash (Pichu in Melee, an Lucario in Brawl).
 
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