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[Unknown Soldier]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/109957/obama-gains-among-former-clinton-supporters.aspx

The Democratic convention appears to have helped solidify support for Barack Obama among former Hillary Clinton supporters, with the percentage saying they will vote for Obama in November moving from 70% pre-convention to 81% after the convention, and the percentage certain to vote for Obama jumping from 47% to 65%.

The Democratic convention appears to have increased certainty of support for Obama among Democratic voters, including in particular among the critical group of Democrats who earlier this year supported Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries (see graph above).

Much attention was given to the fact that only 47% of former Clinton supporters said they were certain to vote for Obama in the pre-convention USA Today/Gallup poll, and that 16% of these voters said they were going to vote for McCain, with another 14% undecided.

The new polling shows that many of these disaffected Clinton voters have now returned to the loyal Democratic fold. The percentage of former Clinton voters who say they are certain to vote for Obama has now jumped to 65%. Although 12% of former Clinton voters persist in saying that they are going to vote for McCain, that's down from 16%, and the percentage who are undecided has dropped in half.

Overall, support for Obama among this group has moved from 70% pre-convention to 81% post-convention.

To be sure, former Clinton supporters are still less enthusiastic than former Obama supporters in the post-convention poll. And, the fact that 12% still say they are going to vote for McCain is no doubt troubling to the Obama camp. But it appears that, from a broad perspective, the concentrated effort by Obama's campaign managers to feature both Hillary and Bill Clinton in prominent roles, and efforts by Hillary Clinton to emphasize her support for Obama going into the November election, may have paid off.

Well, here's an interesting poll way back from September of 2008 conducted by Gallup. It's pretty fascinating to see that something like 20% of Clinton voters in the 2008 Democratic primary election, or 2 in 10, or even 1 in 5, were not going to vote for Obama in the general election after the Democratic convention.

The reality is that more Hillary supporters refused to vote for Obama in 2008 than Bernie supporters refused to vote for Hillary in 2016. This is how history went, but Obama went on to defeat McCain in a landslide in 2008 and so these days not a lot of people seem to remember just how poorly the supporters of Hillary treated Obama in 2008 or how many of them refused to vote for him. Victory heals all rifts, after all.

 

[jtb]

Racial resentment (and gender resentment!) is a hell of a drug.

Plenty of Hillary's supporters towards the end were just anti-Obama voters. And plenty of Bernie's supporters towards the end were anti-Hillary voters. Hence their overlapping coalitions.

I don't think there are many lessons to be learned from this particular data point. Too much noise. Much more interested in third party voters and Obama -> Trump voters

 

[djplaeskool]

Did we really need a separate thread for a 9 year old data point?

 

[SerAardvark]

Did we really need a separate thread for a 9 year old data point?

The arguments from the primary won't regurgitate themselves, friend.

 

[Particle Physicist]

You are conflating two things here. That poll was after the democratic convention. Not after the actual election like the recent Sanders thread. I think it was shown that Clinton voters overwhelmingly voted for Obama when the time came.

 

[Frozenprince]

Did we really need a separate thread for a 9 year old data point?

Unknown Soldier would give his/her still beating heart to Bernie if he needed it.

Just a "lol stupid neoliberals" thing. And trying to rehash the primary again because that's what all this is always about because not real libruls etc etc.

 

[kirblar]

a) good lord you could't have posted this in the other thread?

b) Clinton's PUIMAs were '08s Bernie or Busters! Their campaigns were both based primarily in appealing to "WWC" voters! It's the same subgroup of people that's stirring up shit and defecting.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

More Chaos.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

You are conflating two things here. That poll was after the democratic convention. Not after the actual election like the recent Sanders thread. I think it was shown that Clinton voters overwhelmingly voted for Obama when the time came.

Prove it.

I searched quite a bit and this poll that I linked was the best data I could find. I feel like no one bothered to do that kind of poll after Obama won because it literally didn't matter at that point.

 

[Hazmat]

Jesus fuck, it's August and we have 3 Hillary-Bernie threads on the front page.

 

[Frozenprince]

Jesus fuck, it's August and we have 3 Hillary-Bernie threads on the front page.

August of 2017

Next year is going to be a fucking slaughter.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Prove it.

I searched quite a bit and this poll that I linked was the best data I could find. I feel like no one bothered to do that kind of poll after Obama won because it literally didn't matter at that point.

You are comparing completely different data sets. You can't compare pre-election polls from 2008 with post election numbers from 2016. That's ridiculous.

As far as finding the data, why don't you first prove that the numbers were actually worse in the election? You haven't made a good comparison yet.

I'm also on my phone and most quick google searches just yield data for the most recent election.

 

[djplaeskool]

Jesus fuck, it's August and we have 3 Hillary-Bernie threads on the front page.

For real though

 

[AmayaPapaya]

Yeah it's a common phenomenon in primary elections, it seems. Didn't matter for Obama cause people actually liked him outside the core base. Obama crushed in 08 without them.

 

[ExVicis]

What a weird thread to make, I mean I understand and almost agree with the sentiment but I'm not sure if I would have made it, probably would have posted this in the other thread to be honest. I'm not sure we need more threads on this crap.

Jesus fuck, it's August and we have 3 Hillary-Bernie threads on the front page.

Right? Seriously guys the primary's over, fucking let it go.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Jesus fuck, it's August and we have 3 Hillary-Bernie threads on the front page.

Imagine how bad it's going to be in 2020. A lot of people itching to settle old scores.

 

[ModBot]

Bad enough that we have another dumb thread relitigating the primaries without you making a dumb spinoff thread of it. Just post this in that thread like everyone else.