$200 million for 17 men...*sigh* this disgust me

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090610/ap_on_re_as/us_guantanamo_palau

WELLINGTON, New Zealand – Palau agreed to accept 17 Chinese Muslims who have languished in legal limbo at Guantanamo Bay, indicating a resolution to one of the major obstacles to closing the U.S. prison camp.

The announcement Wednesday by the Pacific archipelago, which would clear the last of the Uighurs from the camp in Cuba, was a major step toward the Obama administration's goal of finding new homes for detainees who have been cleared of wrongdoing but cannot go home for fear of ill-treatment.

The U.S. feared the minority Uighurs would be tortured or executed as Islamic separatists if returned to China, but the Obama administration faced fierce congressional opposition to allowing them on U.S. soil as free men. The men were captured in Afghanistan and Pakistan in 2001, but the Pentagon determined that they were not "enemy combatants."

President Johnson Toribiong said the decision of Palau, one of a handful of countries that does not recognize China and maintains diplomatic relations with Taiwan, was "a humanitarian gesture" intended to help the detainees restart their lives. His archipelago, with a population of about 20,000, will accept up to 17 of the detainees subject to periodic review, Toribiong said in a statement released to The Associated Press.

"This is but a small thing we can do to thank our best friend and ally for all it has done for Palau," he said.

China, which has demanded the men be extradited to their homeland and pressured countries not to accept them, had no immediate reaction.

Two U.S. officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the U.S. was prepared to give Palau up to $200 million in development, budget support and other assistance in return for accepting the Uighurs and as part of a mutual defense and cooperation treaty that is due to be renegotiated this year.

A former U.S. trust territory in the Pacific, Palau has retained close ties with the United States since independence in 1994 when it signed a Free Compact of Association with the U.S.

While it is independent, it relies heavily on U.S. aid and is dependent on the United States for its defense. Native-born Palauans are allowed to enter the United States without passports or visas.

With eight main islands and more than 250 islets, Palau is best known for diving and tourism and is located some 500 miles (800 kilometers) east of the Philippines in the Pacific Ocean.

Uighurs are from Xinjiang, an isolated region that borders Afghanistan, Pakistan and six Central Asian nations. They say they have been repressed by the Chinese government. China long has said that insurgents are leading an Islamic separatist movement in Xinjiang.

A federal judge last year ordered the Uighur detainees released into the United States after the Pentagon determined they were not enemy combatants. But an appeals court halted the order, and they have been in legal limbo ever since.

Human rights groups say there are as many as 40 other Guantanamo inmates who, if freed, cannot be returned to their homelands because they could face abuse, imprisonment or death. They come from Azerbaijan, Algeria, Afghanistan, Chad, Saudi Arabia and Yemen.

The U.S. has described a lack of resettlement options for them as an obstacle to emptying the prison. And President Barack Obama singled out the legal situation of the Uighurs in his May speech on national security.

Asked Tuesday about discussions with Palau on the Uighurs, State Department spokesman Ian Kelly declined to comment beyond saying the U.S. is "working closely with our friends and allies regarding resettlement" of detainees at Guantanamo.

In 2006, Albania accepted five Uighur detainees from Guantanamo but has since resisted taking others, partly for fear of diplomatic repercussions from China.

The State Department said last week that Daniel Fried, the career diplomat who was named earlier this year to oversee Guantanamo's closure, had visited Palau but offered no details on his mission. Fried has been negotiating with third countries to accept many of the Guantanamo detainees.

Earlier this month, the 27 European Union countries agreed to take in "several dozen." Some European countries have accepted their own nationals while Albania, France, Sweden and Britain have also accepted non-citizens. Germany, which also has a Uighur community, believes the Guantanamo detainees should be resettled in the United States.

Australia, which has a Uighur population, rejected two requests by the Bush administration to take the detainees but is said to be reviewing Obama's request to take some of the Uighurs.

Obama has ordered the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to be closed by January 2010 at the latest.

...mutual defense. Sounds more like one-sided defense. Seriously, just drop them off where we picked them up.

$200 million for just 17 men? Ridiculous.
 
Government is great at wasting excess money. I wonder who proposed funding for these people, I bet they have some type of ownership of the company doing the construction.
 
I was listening to the This American Life episode about Guantanamo the other day and they talked about the Uighurs and now I know how to spell it :D

Uhh... thats all I have to add other then a general disgust for humanity
 
Vinci said:
Cold blooded. :lol

Yea, I actually read the article. I didn't realize that these guys were cleared of crimes and assumed Gitmo = guilty. How foolish of me to think that our government had competency. Either way, fuck this situation. It's total horseshit. You can't pick and choose which people were are going to fight for human rights for, and all on the predication that they "might be harassed." News flash, China has been shitty for human rights for quite awhile now, why the fuck don't we start paying their oppressed citizens to come to the US? This is horseshit of the highest magnitude, but then again, if anyone deserved 200 million, it should be these seventeen people falsely accused, imprisoned, and tortured with no human rights. No wonder they won't be able to come to the US, if I was one of them I'd sue the federal government for tens of millions.
 
Uighurs are from Xinjiang, an isolated region that borders Afghanistan, Pakistan and six Central Asian nations. They say they have been repressed by the Chinese government. China long has said that insurgents are leading an Islamic separatist movement in Xinjiang.


Just so everyone knows; these people aren't oriental Asians. They're Chinese by nationality and definitely not Chinese (or more technically, Han) by race. Some of them have mixed blood and look partially Chinese but for the most part they look middle-eastern, mostly Turkish.

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Weenerz said:
Government is great at wasting excess money. I wonder who proposed funding for these people, I bet they have some type of ownership of the company doing the construction.

The government fuck these group of ppl over and changed their lives forever in a very bad way with lasting and probably permeant emotional stigma. This is the least the government can do and American ppl are held responsible for this. It is a citizen's job to monitor and keep the government in check with their voting power. If the citizen fails to do so, they are the accomplice.
 
The cost of fulfilling a campaign promise. Thanks Obama. I wonder how much it will eventually cost to close Guantanamo in a manner that is politically agreeable to our politicians.
 
Tom_Cody said:
The cost of fulfilling a campaign promise. Thanks Obama. I wonder how much it will eventually cost to close Guantanamo in a manner that is politically agreeable to our politicians.

We are paying a country 200 million to take 17 innocent people off our hands, and you don't see an issue with this? Give me 200 million and I'll build a mansion for them with a gated wall and give them maids and chefs and keep the rest as profit. The fuck.
 
mernst23 said:
We are paying a country 200 million to take 17 innocent people off our hands, and you don't see an issue with this? Give me 200 million and I'll build a mansion for them with a gated wall and give them maids and chefs and keep the rest as profit. The fuck.
You couldn't detect my sarcasm?
 
Basic facts:

The Uighers are not US enemies.
The Uighers have been held as Enemy Combatants for years and suffered harsh interagation despite never fighting us.
The release of the Uighers has been ordered by the court for over 2 years.
Returning the Uighers to china would be sentencing them to death.
No other country will take the Uighers because of Chinese threats.
We already give Palau a ton of aid, and it's unclear whether this is in addition, or part of the existing aid pacakge.
 
mernst23 said:
We are paying a country 200 million to take 17 innocent people off our hands, and you don't see an issue with this? Give me 200 million and I'll build a mansion for them with a gated wall and give them maids and chefs and keep the rest as profit. The fuck.


If that is the only way in this crazy politi-world to get them out of Gitmo, then more power to them. So you would rather them sit there even longer? Would you rather have them go back to China and get killed? Not saying I like the system, but if that is how it works, that is how it works. Basically it is a $200 million dollar bribe not to send them back to China.
 
Man, if only it was manditory to give any person ~12 million if they were wrongly imprisoned. How much you wanna bet the judicial system would whip it's ass into shape?
 
Four more sent to Bermuda and the Brits are pissed off.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...grees-17-detainees--Chinas-fury.html?ITO=1490

The Foreign Office has responded with ill-disguised fury tonight after it emerged that Britain's oldest colony has done a deal behind its back with the U.S. to accept four Guantanamo detainees.

The four Chinese Uighurs are said to be already on the tiny North Atlantic island, with the U.S. Justice Department extending its thanks to the semi-autonomous Government of Bermuda.

But the Foreign Office slammed Bermudian Premier Ewart Brown's decision to accept the detainees without consulting the British Governor on the island first.
 
mernst23 said:
17 bullets would be cheaper.
How about your kill yourself instead?

These guys did nothing. A judge ruled they did nothing. The US military agreed they did nothing. In fact, they've given these guys improved conditions down in Gitmo because we are not supposed to be holding them. However, we don't know what to do with them. They are Chinese muslims and if we send them to China, they might get imprisoned & tortured there. So they've been in limbo for years.
 
speculawyer said:
How about your kill yourself instead?

These guys did nothing. A judge ruled they did nothing. The US military agreed they did nothing. In fact, they've given these guys improved conditions down in Gitmo because we are not supposed to be holding them. However, we don't know what to do with them. They are Chinese muslims and if we send them to China, they might get imprisoned & tortured there. So they've been in limbo for years.

fuck yourself
 
HomerSimpson-Man said:
Quoted the wrong person or something?

If not go fuck yourself.

I didn't quote you, and besides, I retracted what I said in a later post. I originally only read the bold parts when I created that response, assuming they were guilty, because if they were, i stand by my statement that 17 bullets is cheaper and more worthwhile than giving a bribe disguised as aid because of a shitty political problem.
 
This is most likely development aid that many developed nations usually give to their poorer allies(or those they want to be in good relationships with) anyway.

Taking in the 17 is probably just a convenient excuse to get rid of them.
 
For some strange reason this story reminds me of when I was told that if you handle a baby bird, the mothers will kill it rather than accept it back into the nest.
 
titiklabingapat said:
This is most likely development aid that many developed nations usually give to their poorer allies(or those they want to be in good relationships with).

Taking in the 17 is probably just a convenient excuse to get rid of them.

BS, this is a bribe disguised as aid for a situation that doesn't need a bribe in the first place.
 
mernst23 said:
fuck yourself
What? You don't want to kill yourself for no reason?

Well, maybe you now know what those guys feel like . . . knowing lots of people just want them to die . . . for no good reason. Injustice stings doesn't it?

Of course, they've been held as prisoners for years too . . . with no charges against them.

Edit: Yeah . . . if true, this $200M sucks . . . but then again, maybe they wouldn't have to pay it if not for ignorant people in this country that would go beserk if they were allowed to enter the USA. The Uighar community in America has offered to accept them and mainstream them into US society . . . but that would be political suicide, so it won't happen.

It is a shitty situation . . .
 
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