Arkos
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Not a football school either. More just a school.
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Not a football school either. More just a school.
Goddamnit Domino. Hoping for a blowout + a jinx all in one :lol
How many of these super freshmen are truly ready for the NBA? The top 3 all have substantial flaws that will be exploited.
I also don't understand if these layers are so great, why their ceilings are so low? Parker is a poor man's Carmelo? Whats great about that? I'd rather clear capspace for an established pro.
Who is this mythical program that doesn't have these marks?
Is it Duke? UNC? Syracuse? Ohio State? UK?
KU gets to the tourney every year. An early flameout is light years better than some NIT trash season that all those other teams seem to have every few years.
Boomstick (Coffee Crazy)
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Oh how sweet it is. Love to see these arrogant guys get beat.
Excuse me. THE school.
it was because of the schedule.
It was because of the name.
Arkos
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He last lost in the first round 9 years ago. Amid the departure of JR and Padgett. I hate losing but it happens. Kansas is 29 for the last 31 first round games. Other teams must have amazing records to snipe at KU; I wish we won more NC's but eh.. take your best shot and if you fail, you fail.
wasn't our schedule far and away the toughest this season? but we can keep on pretending it was because of the name.
Saying that who you play doesn't matter is horseshit. Do the shockers remain undefeated if they played our schedule? And the name and reputation that comes along with it does for a reason.
Grover Cleveland
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Bill Self's great, but he's lost to a 9, 10, 11, 13 and 14 since '05.
For comparison's sake, in that same time frame
Boeheim's lost to a: 12 and an 11 with two NITs and 1 FF
Roy's lost to an: 11 with 1 NIT, 3 FFs, and two titles
K's lost to a: 15 (almost two 15s), 14, 11, 1 FF and 1 title
What does this tell me?
We give K a lot of rope
Bill Self's great, but he's lost to a 9, 10, 11, 13 and 14 since '05.
For comparison's sake, in that same time frame
Boeheim's lost to a: 12 and an 11 with two NITs and 1 FF
Roy's lost to an: 11 with 1 NIT, 3 FFs, and two titles
K's lost to a: 15 (almost two 15s), 14, 11, 1 FF and 1 title
What does this tell me?
We give K a lot of rope
Well, I'm not going to pick on KU for that. Besides, I appreciate you losing to Bucknell in 2010.
Outdoor Miner
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Said these kids are flawed in thinking 1 year in college is enough or that they are ready for the NBA. Mentioned Magic staying in school for 2 years, Jordan for 3. He mentioned folks point out Lebron and Kobe and their success having skipped college, but Charles said that's because they are 2 OF THE GREATEST PLAYERS to play the game.
Even Melo who is not quite at the level of an MJ or LeBron absolutely dominated his 1 year of college and won a championship.
He's the Bobby Bowden problem.
Not winning the way people expect, but also tied to the program such that he'll have to retire, since donors will never allow him to be fired.
I think he'll retire in a couple years personally.
theprodigy
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I want a year to be so random that a 1 seed has double digit losses entering the tournament
what about Billy Donovan and Cal.
This used to be the case when zone defense was banned, but it is rapidly become less true with the kinds of defenses that NBA teams have these days.
These days with the way teams clog the paint if you can't handle the ball well enough to break down defenders and you can't shoot from long range, it's hard to find a place to fit unless your are really good at something else, like MKG is at defense and as a transition finisher.
Which is not to say he won't develop into a great NBA player, I just don't think he will do better just because it's the NBA. Sure good NBA teams will have better floor spacing than college teams so he'll have more space to operate, but he isn't going to be going to a good team. Plus help defense in the NBA will react to drives much faster, so when he does get a driving lane, it will close much faster.
Wing players that can't create offensive movement and can't shoot kill your floor spacing. Wiggins is going to have to develop the ability to do one if not both of these things in order to be successful in the NBA.
Bowden became completely mediocre at FSU. K still won a title 4 years ago, went to the Elite 8 last year and is still recruiting top talent. Next year's team should be still be very dangerous.
Billy D: 2 titles, 2 NIT (3 Elite 8).
Cal: 1 title, 1 FF, 1 NIT. (Unless you're counting the vacated stuff at Memphis)
Grover Cleveland
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Duke's results in that span I mentioned
05-S16
06-S16
07-R64
08-R32
09-S16
10-Champs
11-S16
12-R64
13-E8
14-R64
Don't get me wrong, those are still the best overall results in that span outside of Roy and maybe Donovan (2 titles vs 2 NITs), but the standards for Duke are high. When you rock a roster with 11 MDAA every year, it's championship or bust. Don't make it out of the first weekend and people start asking questions. Don't make it out of the first round and it's a colossal failure.
But since Melo you've had Durant, maybe Rose, Irving and Davis that were clearly ready for the pros by the end of their 1st year. Most of the rest of them could have used another year or more actually getting better in college instead of oversaturating the NBA with mediocre talent. I know that some of the players do develop in the league, but I think they have a short timeframe to do it. After all, the next overhyped NBA "potential" star is a draft away. Now that rookie contracts are just 2 years, I don't think most of these players know how disposable they are.
Since his Orlando "move in 07" Donovan has 2 NIT's, lost to 4, 4, 9, 7, 8
Coach K at least won an NC 4 years ago, and does well in the regular season. Bobby was literally going senile.
Colonel Nasty
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LOLZ Kansas.
As for Cal, the lowest seed he's lost to since since 2004 has been a 3 seed.
Billy lost to 8 seed butler the year they went to the championship game, so doesn't really count as a terrible loss.
I think ranking tournament performance based on which seed you lost to is flawed. Should be how far you make it in relation to how well you were seeded.
I also don't think your list is accurate. Should be a 7,8,4, and a 4. (BYU in 2010 in the first round, Butler in the Elite 8, Louisville in the Elite 8 (while we were a 7 seed), and Elite 8 to Michigan.
KU results look to be slightly better. More FF's, More E8's, same first round total.
05-R64
06-R64
07-E8
08-Champs
09-S16
10-R32
11-E8
12-Runner Up's
13-S16
14-R32
This is true, but generally it means the same thing in practice. Most of the time if you lose to a substantially lower seed, you didn't make it very far.
K's problems are he doesn't know the meanings of the words "bench" "substitution" or "zone", especially in March.
Get this, after Duke struggled at Clemson in the 2nd half due to fatigue, K used 5 on 5 substitutions the next couple of weeks and it worked really well. So naturally he stopped doing it the closer March came because he can't understand having a deep bench during tourney time.
Yeah, was parsing through paragraphs on wikipedia. I agree on the when you lost is more important than who you lost to.
That KU lost to a 11 seed isn't as noteworthy when you know it was in the Elite 8.
Wichita state is clearly the better team. Time to see if we can win anyway.
That was an imaginary fucking foul. Haha.
I feel like there are too many counter examples. Like in 2011, UF lost to an 8 seed and Kansas lost to an 11 seed in an Elite 8. I guess that's still arguably "bad" because you'd still expect them to lose to a better seed, but they still had to beat good teams to get to the Elite 8.
How far you go is also flawed though. Due to upsets, I remember Kansas had a cake walk to the Elite 8 (and really Final Four) in 2011, and UF has benefited from 15-2 upsets the last two years.
Maybe tournament record in a time span? But if you are a lower seeded team, you are "expected" to lose, but maybe that's okay because it's indicative to how well your regular season was.
I dunno, don't think there is one good singular metric.
yeah i never got K's aversion to a deep rotation. i always think Roy usually over-subs but it usually works out better in the long run.
Then we hit 2 shots in a row and promptly break down in transition defense.
Grover Cleveland
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Go UK
#proestablishment
#goTHEMAN
Playing all 11-13 of the 4/5 star recruits on your roster is too easy.
K finds 7 that he likes and sticks with it.
#proestablishment
#goTHEMAN
Playing all 11-13 of the 4/5 star recruits on your roster is too easy.
K finds 7 that he likes and sticks with it.
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