Support NeoGAF

[Speevy]

Good old MS, selling yet another lie. Gotta love 'em.

You have to be a joke character...

 

[trmas]

Nope. I don't know why you are surprised about this. MS never wanted or expected to have to deal with BC. They half-assed it like they did the rest of the launch, and expect ignorant consumers (like Speevey) to lap it up.

 

[I <3 Katamari]

Nope. I don't know why you are surprised about this. MS never wanted or expected to have to deal with BC. They half-assed it like they did the rest of the launch, and expect ignorant consumers (like Speevey) to lap it up.

At this point, it's pretty much impossible to argue how half-assed this launch was. Probably the worst launch for a major system I've ever seen.

Of course, I might be less bitter when I hopefully get my 360 next week. heh

 

[Speevy]

Yeah, MS really conned me. Man, I was looking forward to that backward compaitibility. That's one of the main reasons I spent $400 on the console. You sure do know what you're talking about, trmas.

 

[_Angelus_]

Asshat, you said people that owned one had to trade it in for a 360. That is a large godamn number and you are wrong. You need a clue. I also know people personally that didn't have to sell their system to get a 360. Just because you had to doesn't mean everyone else had to. If you think I'm the only one that has both system sin their home then you are retarded. You come to this damn forum each day. You hear how the BC is for the system yet you still trade in your XBOX and keep the games HOPING MS makes them all BC? If you did that then you are more retarded than I initially thought.

Good point,you saved me the trouble of typing it out.
I pretty much saw what might happen when they were pussyfooting around about "the best selling games being compatable for the 360 machine." :lol

I mean honestly all anyone had to do was use some common sense here. If folks had doubts that there wouldn't be problems with original XBox games playing ok on a 360 then don't act at all surprised that this is now happening. It'll probably all be sorted out as we go along 2006 but for now you can see its business as usual in this forum-tons of over assumptions running rampant now.

And this forum probaly owns more anime than should be legal,I doubt folks are having storage problems then. An Xbox doesn't take up that much space.

 

[I <3 Katamari]

Good point,you saved me the trouble of typing it out.
I pretty much saw what might happen when they were pussyfooting around about "the best seelling games being compatatable for the 360 machine." :lol

I mean honestly all anyone had to do was use some common sense here. If folks had doubts that there wouldn't be problems with original XBox games playing ok on a 360 then don't act at all surprised that this is now happening. It'll probably all be sorted out as we go along 2006 but for now you can see its business as usual in this forum-tons of over assumptions running rampant now.

And this forum probaly owns more anime than should be legal,I doubt folks are having storage problems then. An Xbox doesn't take up that much space.

.. This forum isn't the only place in the world. Ugh.

And some of you people don't get it. The general public, when buying the 360, will think it will play the original Xbox games. I can't tell you how many people I had to tell when I worked at Wal-Mart (shut up) over the fall that it didn't play the games, after they assumed it did. When I then explained how it worked, they just looked annoyed and/or confused.

People like us, the people on this forum, know exactly what goes on with all this shit. But the GENERAL person who wants to buy a 360 or the parent that tries to get it as a Christmas gift doesn't have a clue. People base assumptions off previous knowledge (such as PS2 playing all the PS1 games out of the box).

No, it's really not that big of a deal. But it definitely sucks for people who sold their Xbox because of whatever reason or (something you guys are ignoring) people who never had an Xbox.

 

[Speevy]

The Xbox 360-owning world can never fully appreciate how well you understand them.

 

[I <3 Katamari]

The Xbox 360-owning world can never fully appreciate how well you understand them.

I sure hope they can.

 

[demi]

I'd appreciate X360 too if I got one for free.

That's one of the main reasons I spent $400 on the console.

When did you spend $400?

 

[bumpkin]

Xbox 360 BC was dead on arrival, anyway. The list is a joke, and the implementation is shit on some of the system's best games (NG Black being the marquee example).

 

[krypt0nian]

I'll be happier next year when no one cares about BC anymore.

It was a bad idea to do with the Nvidia to ATI jump, and they should have stuck to their guns and not included it, instead of this half ass attempt at it.

 

[Speevy]

When did you spend $400?

I was being dead serious with that post. Thank you for reading the whole thing.

 

[demi]

Speevy is looking at things from the "freebie" (didn't he beg for an Xbox on TXB?) angle, whereas people are frustrated over the "I have an actual job and responsibilities so I paid for the thing out of my wallet" angle.

Take off the goggles, Speevs. They're pissed.

 

[Speevy]

I didn't beg for an Xbox at all.

The story behind my Xbox is as follows.

When we first implemented the "forum gamertag" feature at TeamXbox, I changed mine to "I don't have an Xbox. Will you buy me one?" as a joke. Another user thought it would be funny to take me up on it. Someone started a "Get Speevy an Xbox." fund but no one wanted to contribute (I don't blame them). So Garp (the user) either bought a new one out of pocket or sold an unwanted PS2 for one. Either way, he sent me an Xbox in November 2002. I am eternally grateful but at no time did I beg anyone for an Xbox.

 

[Borys]

Even though I despise him, Speevy is right this time:

BC was never promised or touted as a major selling point of 360. It is just an obscure feature that may be or may be not used by 1% of 360 buyers. Every sane person will value playing new, "next-gen" (har, har) games over old crap he has beaten countless times, even in "upgraded" (har, har) graphics.

As for the haters saying "buh, buh, buh PS2 did it!" - so what?
SNES didn't, N64 didn't, neither did GameCube nor Dreamcast - you don't have a point to base your attacks on.

As for the whole BC fiasco - MS should just release Halo 3 and shut all the yapping mouths out there.

I mean - what would you like to play more: Black or Halo 3?

Think before posting people, it doesn't hurt. Neither does keeping your old Xbox in a closet.

BTW:

That's one of the main reasons I spent $400 on the console.

Fucking marketing liar.

 

[bumpkin]

I mean - what would you like to play more: Black or Halo 3?

Honestly? Black.

 

[demi]

Halo 3

I need more Co-Op

 

[Kolgar]

I agree that Joe Casual, i.e., most people in the "PlayStation generation," may very well assume X360 is backward compatible for the simple reason that Sony's consoles are. The market leader's system does it, so 30 million US consumers assume that's the way it is.

Regardless, Microsoft's approach to the whole BC issue has been a joke.

 

[Flipmo23]

I feel cheated.

 

[Zylander]

Damn. So much for my plans "I'll play all the XBox games I wanted when I get my 360." I never had an XBox. Lucky I didn't start buying those games, which I had originally planned to do.

 

[I <3 Katamari]

Oh, Team Xbox. That explains a lot.

Even though I despise him, Speevy is right this time:

BC was never promised or touted as a major selling point of 360. It is just an obscure feature that may be or may be not used by 1% of 360 buyers. Every sane person will value playing new, "next-gen" (har, har) games over old crap he has beaten countless times, even in "upgraded" (har, har) graphics.

As for the haters saying "buh, buh, buh PS2 did it!" - so what?
SNES didn't, N64 didn't, neither did GameCube nor Dreamcast - you don't have a point to base your attacks on.

Trust me, I know it's not a big deal, but people have every right to be pissed off, especially when what is there is so poorly implemented. That's all.

 

[Excelion]

Here's the question, and someone else mentioned it:

Why the hell are they on "holiday" for a month and a half from this?

they delivered the most complex piece of software ever written in emulation history, owning thousands of GAFFers when the BC list was revealed they deserve it.

 

[jaundicejuice]

Disappointing news, especially since I've purchased more Xbox games (8) for my 360 than I have actual 360 games (5). My experience has been mixed at best as far as the emulation goes; framerates diving down to slideshows, cutscenes not properly playing, weird sound glitches, and crashes.

I've double checked the BC list for all of my purchases, except one. I picked up a cheap used copy of Conker: Live & Reloaded cos I thought it was on the list only to discover it isn't. And now it may never be added...? It's a 1st/2nd party game and it won't be playable on the 360?

At this rate I may simply wait for the Xbox to drop in price to 99$ and buy it so I can play my games without a hitch, and not have to hold off on purchases cos I'm waiting for MS to add some games to the BC list. I wanna play OutRun 2, Jet Set Radio Future, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Oddworld: Strangers Wrath, et all.

 

[monkeymagic]

they delivered the most complex piece of software ever written in emulation history, owning thousands of GAFFers when the BC list was revealed they deserve it.

1. Pretty much the only people who have been owned (as evidenced in this thread) are faithful XBox customers who continued purchasing XBox games and lining MS' pockets after being promised working BC.

2. No point writing software no matter how complex it is if it doesn't work - but then that's the Microsoft way - bloat, complexity and never working.

3. Unlike 99% of other emulation projects out there they had the backing of a $300B company and access to all the specs of the hardware they were emulating and still did a piss poor job.

You and MS must try harder Draikin

 

[Last Hope]

Well, up until the list was even shown, I figured Halo and Halo 2 would be the only BC games. See, MS only cares about money and Halo 2 is the most popular game on Live and perhaps Halo is the most popular lan party game. Logic brought me to the conclusion that as long as they had their 2 "priority" games BC, that is all MS cared about.

So would this news surprise me if true? No, it would not because I know better to believe anything MS says. I will believe anyone from their word more than I would believe MS. My attitude to the 360 BC was I have to see it before I believe it. I still have yet to see decent BC except with a handful of games. MS' claims of BC is just false advertising if I have anything to say about it.

 

[westical]

1. Pretty much the only people who have been owned (as evidenced in this thread) are faithful XBox customers who continued purchasing XBox games and lining MS' pockets after being promised working BC.

What backwards arse logic is that? How have I been owned by buying Xbox games while waiting for the 360 to come out?

2. No point writing software no matter how complex it is if it doesn't work - but then that's the Microsoft way - bloat, complexity and never working.

What Microsoft software never works?

3. Unlike 99% of other emulation projects out there they had the backing of a $300B company and access to all the specs of the hardware they were emulating and still did a piss poor job.

Unlike 99% of other emulation projects, they were emulating a system only released four years ago.

 

[cybamerc]

BC was never promised or touted as a major selling point of 360.

Nevertheless M$ promised full backwards compatibility at E3 after Sony and Nintendo had done so. They could've just kept quiet but instead decided to lie.

 

[westical]

Nevertheless M$ promised full backwards compatibility at E3

URL?

 

[monkeymagic]

What backwards arse logic is that? How have I been owned by buying Xbox games while waiting for the 360 to come out?

I guess you like throwing away $50 games but I don't think those who bought XBox games believing they would work on X360 are as rich/frivolous/forgiving as you.

Unlike 99% of other emulation projects, they were emulating a system only released four years ago.

http://www.dolphin-emu.com

Gamecube emulator for PC.

4 people.

No funding.

No access to original hardware.

And works about as well as X360 BC :lol

 

[BudokaiMR2]

Yeah, MS really conned me. Man, I was looking forward to that backward compaitibility. That's one of the main reasons I spent $400 on the console. You sure do know what you're talking about, trmas.

The joke is on M$. This is one of the few reasons that I am not buying a 360 yet. I never owned an XBOX and it would be nice to if I could just get a 360 and play some of the games I missed. IMO BC isn't something that should be half-done. You either have full BC, or you axe it completely.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Linky



"from what it sounds like..." part seems a bit suspect. if true, very bad. I like BC.
anyway, opinones?

Well, to me it sounds like they want PSTwo and also GCN (Revolution will also be fully backwards compatible) to scoop-up the current generation.

I love when companies display such a huge F-U sign to their old-userbase: many publishers said that they do not plan to make another big mistake focusing only on the next-generation consoles, but planned to take advantage of the enormous user-base of current-generation consoles releasing plenty of titles on them.

This way we know which platform will get less and less support from publishers out of the three current-generation consoles.

.

 

[westical]

I guess you like throwing away $50 games but I don't think those who bought XBox games believing they would work on X360 are as rich/frivolous/forgiving as you.

Find me an Xbox owner who has bought games in the last six months and genuinely thought that they would work on the 360. Your retarded logic also assumes that every single 360 owner is going to throw out their Xbox after getting the box home.

http://www.dolphin-emu.com

Gamecube emulator for PC.

Two games that fully work. Bust-A-Move and Namco Museum. Not exactly power hungry games. Thanks for backing up my post.

 

[BudokaiMR2]

Unlike 99% of other emulation projects, they were emulating a system only released four years ago.

Really don't see how this applies at all. Unlike most emulation project this is sponsered by the biggest software giant in the industry, who also employs some of the best coders in the world.

Sorry, as far I am concerned M$ just half-assed it on purpose.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Even though I despise him, Speevy is right this time:

BC was never promised or touted as a major selling point of 360. It is just an obscure feature that may be or may be not used by 1% of 360 buyers. Every sane person will value playing new, "next-gen" (har, har) games over old crap he has beaten countless times, even in "upgraded" (har, har) graphics.

First, that sane person might already have most of worth to be purchased Xbox 360 games and at $59 or 59 Euros a pop, it can be pretty expensive.

Second, there may be tons of games this sane person has missed in the previous generation. It is called "I wish I could make enough gaming money, but I do not", the phenomenon of seeing games that come out at full MSRP and realizing that you might have to wait.

Some of those sane people might not like to flood their room's floors with even more consoles, they might prefer to be able to stay in a sort of neat room without having to move out to make space for their consoles and games.

Some of those people might not have an original Xbox anu longer: it might not be working or they might have sold it. Of course, it is ONLY $99 or 99 Euros to get one... oh yes, right after that 24 carats golden necklace spurred with giant diamonds hanging around it honey.

I realize this might not be a HUGE priority for Microsoft and that their team working on BC is taking a vacation, a deseved one, but very seldom andd minor updates for all 2006 ?

 

[Borys]

The saddest point is that there is no middle ground here on GAF, there's noone level-headed here. You either are posting as a:

Blind Fanboi:

- best launch ever!
- best hardware ever!
- LMAO who needs HD-DVD media? DVD-9 is enough!
- SC >>> MGS
- Live! Arcade >>> whole PSWho library
- who needs BC when there's PD0, Kameo and other 11/10 titles?
- Live! is only $50 a year and I'd pay even $500 a year because it's that good!
- Halo > PC gaming
- etc.

or a:

Rabid Hater:

- LMAO at the "next-gen" graphics
- Xbox could do that
- Live! is a rip-off, PC online is free
- M$
- you bought 360 to play some shitty 2D, 8MB arcade games? that are free on PC?
- 2 failures: HD-DVD addon and HDD
- online is a fad, 2M people played online on Xbox; PS2 has 100M users
- what a shitty BC service - Barbie Horse Adventure and Ninja Gaiden in 2 fps
- 360 is a poor man's PC with PC ports
- etc.

Every fucking thread is like that. BC, HD-DVD, Splinter Cell, Rare. People who can't see a damn flaw in their system and in MS and people who see *only* flaws. Usually you don't even have to open a thread to know what's inside.

 

[westical]

Really don't see how this applies at all. Unlike most emulation project this is sponsered by the biggest software giant in the industry, who also employs some of the best coders in the world.

Sorry, as far I am concerned M$ just half-assed it on purpose.

Yes, I'm sure it's a big elaborate ploy by "M$" to piss off part of their userbase who want to play Xbox games on their 360.

 

[monkeymagic]

Two games that fully work. Bust-A-Move and Namco Museum.

I did say it worked just as well as X360 BC - just substitute in Halo and Halo 2

 

[westical]

You forgot Barbie.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Find me an Xbox owner who has bought games in the last six months and genuinely thought that they would work on the 360.

Hello, I am an Xbox owner that bought Outrun 2 PAL. Do I qualify ?

I have limited space in my room for consoles and when using my NTSC Xbox I also need a huge power brick to adjust the voltage (all my old Xbox games are american) so I prefer to play Xbox 1 games (now they are cheap and can be also found used) on the 360 (bought the Halo triple pack for that reason... I missed Halo 2 and my NTSC Halo 1: CE does not work on the PAL Xbox 360).

For me Backward-compatibility on any console MEANS added value, it is an important thing.

 

[Panajev2001a]

The saddest point is that there is no middle ground here on GAF, there's noone level-headed here. You either are posting as a:

Blind Fanboi:

- best launch ever!
- best hardware ever!
- LMAO who needs HD-DVD media? DVD-9 is enough!
- SC >>> MGS
- Live! Arcade >>> whole PSWho library
- who needs BC when there's PD0, Kameo and other 11/10 titles?
- Live! is only $50 a year and I'd pay even $500 a year because it's that good!
- Halo > PC gaming
- etc.

or a:

Rabid Hater:

- LMAO at the "next-gen" graphics
- Xbox could do that
- Live! is a rip-off, PC online is free
- M$
- you bought 360 to play some shitty 2D, 8MB arcade games? that are free on PC?
- 2 failures: HD-DVD addon and HDD
- online is a fad, 2M people played online on Xbox; PS2 has 100M users
- what a shitty BC service - Barbie Horse Adventure and Ninja Gaiden in 2 fps
- 360 is a poor man's PC with PC ports
- etc.

Every fucking thread is like that. BC, HD-DVD, Splinter Cell, Rare. People who can't see a damn flaw in their system and in MS and people who see *only* flaws. Usually you don't even have to open a thread to know what's inside.

You forgot the third type:

Almighty, High-horse riding poster who generalizes everything and subdivides all of his fellow board members in either one of two negative categories.

 

[BudokaiMR2]

Yes, I'm sure it's a big elaborate ploy by "M$" to piss off part of their userbase who want to play Xbox games on their 360.

I was just pointing out that you can't compare fan based emulations against something funded by Microsoft, one of the biggest corporations in the world.

I just put in my opinion that I really want to buy a X360, I have the money, and I am in Japan, I can find one on the damn street corner if I looked. The Live features are awesome as hell, the games aren't great yet but I know they will get better, and the whole UI is flawless. But the fact that the BC is half-assed is holding me back.

 

[monkeymagic]

For me Backward-compatibility on any console MEANS added value, it is an important thing.

No it isn't - you're just imagining it.

You don't NEED BC you just think you do.

Why would you need BC? Your XBox library ceased to exist when the goodness of next gen PGR3 and GoW were revealed.

Play your next gen games and be happy with itt or be a man and get a bigger house so you can have space for XBox, X360 AND X720 when it's released.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Yes, I'm sure it's a big elaborate ploy by "M$" to piss off part of their userbase who want to play Xbox games on their 360.

Edited:

I also, like you, do not believe it is an evil plot by MS (it would not make sense): why would they first pay money to nVIDIA to license NV2A IP's and then choke-up their internal BC efforts ? Not to mention that pushing BC, given what publishers have been saying, is something that beneficiate the console manufacturer in the long run. Especially if said manufacturer HAS STOPPED PRODUCTION of their current-generation machine and has no plans on ever starting production again.

 

[westical]

I wasn't replying to you.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I wasn't replying to you.

I was only commenting your post. I was agreeing with you.

 

[inpHilltr8r]

Never assume malice where incompetence is an adequate explanation.

 

[Tony HoTT]

The joke is on M$. This is one of the few reasons that I am not buying a 360 yet. I never owned an XBOX and it would be nice to if I could just get a 360 and play some of the games I missed. IMO BC isn't something that should be half-done. You either have full BC, or you axe it completely.

I'm with this guy. I wanted BC to catch up on Xbox games I missed. Now I'm not going to buy either Xbox or 360. Not out of spite but out of I don't care anymore since I can't kill two birds with one stone.

 

[westical]

I was only commenting your post. I was agreeing with you.

Ah, no worries.

 

[Borys]

You forgot the third type:

Almighty, High-horse riding poster who generalizes everything and subdivides all of his fellow board members in either one of two negative categories.

Sadly, I'm not even in that camp.

R-Haters representing!

 

[Shinobi]

Even though I despise him, Speevy is right this time:

BC was never promised or touted as a major selling point of 360. It is just an obscure feature that may be or may be not used by 1% of 360 buyers. Every sane person will value playing new, "next-gen" (har, har) games over old crap he has beaten countless times, even in "upgraded" (har, har) graphics.

As for the haters saying "buh, buh, buh PS2 did it!" - so what?
SNES didn't, N64 didn't, neither did GameCube nor Dreamcast - you don't have a point to base your attacks on.

As for the whole BC fiasco - MS should just release Halo 3 and shut all the yapping mouths out there.

I mean - what would you like to play more: Black or Halo 3?

Think before posting people, it doesn't hurt. Neither does keeping your old Xbox in a closet.

The saddest point is that there is no middle ground here on GAF, there's noone level-headed here. You either are posting as a:

Blind Fanboi:

- best launch ever!
- best hardware ever!
- LMAO who needs HD-DVD media? DVD-9 is enough!
- SC >>> MGS
- Live! Arcade >>> whole PSWho library
- who needs BC when there's PD0, Kameo and other 11/10 titles?
- Live! is only $50 a year and I'd pay even $500 a year because it's that good!
- Halo > PC gaming
- etc.

or a:

Rabid Hater:

- LMAO at the "next-gen" graphics
- Xbox could do that
- Live! is a rip-off, PC online is free
- M$
- you bought 360 to play some shitty 2D, 8MB arcade games? that are free on PC?
- 2 failures: HD-DVD addon and HDD
- online is a fad, 2M people played online on Xbox; PS2 has 100M users
- what a shitty BC service - Barbie Horse Adventure and Ninja Gaiden in 2 fps
- 360 is a poor man's PC with PC ports
- etc.

Every fucking thread is like that. BC, HD-DVD, Splinter Cell, Rare. People who can't see a damn flaw in their system and in MS and people who see *only* flaws. Usually you don't even have to open a thread to know what's inside.

Agreed...agreed...agreed...etc.