80 Lost Silent Films Discovered in New Zealand including a lost John Ford film

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Absolutely pathetic part deux
Good news!

HOWIE MOVSHOVITZ of NPR said:
After being lost for more than 80 years, it looks like dozens of American silent movies will finally be coming home — from New Zealand.

That country's government and film archive got together with the U.S. National Film Preservation Foundation in San Francisco on Monday to announce the films' return.

The 75 movies are a real rarity — in part because early film was volatile and degraded quickly.

"Only about 20 percent of the films produced in America during the silent era — that is the era of motion pictures before 1929 — survive today in the United States in complete form," says Annette Melville, director of the nonprofit Film Preservation Foundation.

The End Of The Line

Some of these movies might just be sitting in rusting film cans in the dusty attic of a long-dead movie projectionist in, say, New Zealand.

Frank Stark, chief executive of the New Zealand Film Archive, says that's not such a far-fetched idea.

"When you look at a map, especially a flat map, we were at the end of a distribution network. By the time the nitrate films had been shipped probably to Asia, Australia, then on to New Zealand, or whatever the sequence was for a particular film, it was considered largely to have finished its commercial life," Stark says. "The people in the States didn't want to spend the money to ship it all the way back — they're quite heavy, these films, because multiple reels are shipped in metal cans — and I believe they probably in the main issued instructions they should be destroyed or thrown away."


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Printed on highly flammable nitrate film stock, the 1923 film Maytime has begun to deteriorate. Nitrate film stock was commonly used in filmmaking through the early 1950s.
Luckily, many of them weren't. Projectionists held on to them, and collectors and all kinds of pack rats treasured the old film reels. Over the years many of the prints wound up in the vaults of the New Zealand national archive, where the highly flammable nitrate film stock could be stored safely.

It was in those vaults that Stark and others found 150 American titles — about 75 of which were in good enough shape to be returned.

A John Ford Jewel

Melville of the National Film Preservation Foundation says one of the most remarkable finds is a lost feature by four-time Oscar-winning director John Ford.

"The feature is called Upstream and it dates from 1927, a year from which no other Ford films survive," Melville says. "Only about 15 percent of John Ford's films from the silent era survive today."

Other rediscovered movies include the first film ever directed by 1910s comic sensation Mabel Normand and the formerly lost Maytime, starring Clara Bow. The vaults also held more instructional films on things like how to make a Stetson hat or a Fordson tractor.


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Victor McLaglen starred as a brave baggage handler who manages to hinder a holdup in Strong Boy, a lost feature by director John Ford. The film's promotional trailer was found in a New Zealand archive.
But for film historian Shelley Stamp of the University of California, Santa Cruz, those all pale in comparison with the discovery of the missing first reel from director Lois Weber's Idle Wives.

"She made hundreds of films and over 40 feature films. In the 1910s, her name was routinely mentioned alongside D.W. Griffith and Cecil B. DeMille — names we still remember now — as one of the great minds of filmmaking," Weber says. "But her reputation didn't survive — she wasn't as good as DeMille and Griffith were at sort of promoting herself and insuring her historical legacy.

"What interests me about her career is that she believed in the power of cinema to function as what she called kind of like an editorial page of a newspaper. In other words to bring to life some of the key issues of the day in a way that could be digested and thought about by average citizens. She worked at Universal in the teens — she was their top director. She made films on birth control, poverty, drug abuse, capital punishment and really had a vision of a kind of socially engaged cinema."

They're All Important

But Weber's socially conscious cinema isn't the only thing worth remembering from the silent film era. Frank Stark of the New Zealand Film Archive argues that all of the newly rediscovered films are important — that's why the archive kept them in the first place.

"These films, until the research was done, were undifferentiated," he says, "not necessarily celebrated or by famous makers or involving famous performers. We didn't know that and we made our commitment to keep them anyway, against the day when we could find out whether or not that was the case."

Discoveries like this one are what make the archiving all worthwhile.

"What's really, really satisfying is to have that impulse reinforced by these kinds of discoveries," he says, "to feel that we're doing the right thing — and that there is more treasure to be found."

I wonder how long it will be before we get to see these finally. Best news in lost film since they found that missing reel of Metropolis.
 
Amazing news. It's almost absurd to think how many early movies and television shows have been lost over time. The artistic and historical value is immeasurable.
 
Hope NZ gets something for them. It would be typical for the cultural imperialists to ship their media around the world, show no interest, then expect it to be handed back in mint condition by the working countries, once it had infected them with the greed of capitalism.

But really, good find, and I would love to see that Ford film.
 
Awesome news. Hopefully people keep looking through their vaults and finding more lost gems.
 
I completely forgot, did you hear about people who own the Alamo Drafthouse found like 250 Shaw Brothers films at some theater in Vancouver last year? Alot of those films aren't even on DVD but the rarest part of them is that they also have English subtitles on them.
 
AlternativeUlster said:
I completely forgot, did you hear about people who own the Alamo Drafthouse found like 250 Shaw Brothers films at some theater in Vancouver last year? Alot of those films aren't even on DVD but the rarest part of them is that they also have English subtitles on them.

Not really all Shaw prints in HK and lots shipped abroad had Chinese and English subs on them. Partially to comply with a HK Colonial regulation to keep an eye on dissident content and it made export hella easy. I have a bunch of Shaw Brothers posters and they all mention "A CHINESE PICTURE WITH ENGLISH SUBTITLES" on them. It was the case for everyone in Hong Kong Golden Harvest, Goldig, Seasonal Films. I got tons of Kung Fu movies taken from original prints with dual subs. Tons of stuff also played in English dub with local subs.
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Not really all Shaw prints in HK and lots shipped abroad had Chinese and English subs on them. Partially to comply with a HK Colonial regulation to keep an eye on dissident content and it made export hella easy. I have a bunch of Shaw Brothers posters and they all mention "A CHINESE PICTURE WITH ENGLISH SUBTITLES" on them. It was the case for everyone in Hong Kong Golden Harvest, Goldig, Seasonal Films. I got tons of Kung Fu movies taken from original prints with dual subs. Tons of stuff also played in English dub with local subs.

That's cool. I did not know that. I just remember some HK film historian that presented this Shaw Brothers horror film to a secret audience hasn't been screened in the US since its run in like the late 70's. I thought the subtitles is what made them rare. I guess not then. God, I love Austin though.
 
AlternativeUlster said:
That's cool. I did not know that. I just remember some HK film historian that presented this Shaw Brothers horror film to a secret audience hasn't been screened in the US since its run in like the late 70's. I thought the subtitles is what made them rare. I guess not then. God, I love Austin though.

What film historian? Hopefully not Ric Meyers.

I suspect that statement is true about it not being screened since the 1970s, it most likely has sat in storage. Luckily it missed Mona Fong's destruction tour. When the Shaws were closing up theaters in the US Shaw head Mona Fong did a tour to make sure the prints were being destroyed to make sure others didn't get them (keep in mind these were duplicate prints of stuff the Shaws had).
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
What film historian? Hopefully not Ric Meyers.

I suspect that statement is true about it not being screened since the 1970s, it most likely has sat in storage. Luckily it missed Mona Fong's destruction tour. When the Shaws were closing up theaters in the US Shaw head Mona Fong did a tour to make sure the prints were being destroyed to make sure others didn't get them (keep in mind these were duplicate prints of stuff the Shaws had).

No, it wasn't Ric Meyers. Much younger, handsome fellow that dude. I can't remember his name though. He flew in from somewhere so I can tell you is that he isn't from Austin. :lol
 
AlternativeUlster said:
No, it wasn't Ric Meyers. Much younger, handsome fellow that dude. I can't remember his name though. He flew in from somewhere so I can tell you is that he isn't from Austin. :lol

Good to hear it wasn't that douche Meyers. Wonder who it could have been.

So what was the horror movie you saw?
 
In related news:

http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/article/722262--lost-chaplin-film-sold-on-ebay-for-5-68
Lost Chaplin film sold on eBay for $5.68

Charlie Chaplin fans were seizing on the news Friday that a lost film of the comic genius had been found on eBay for $5.68.

Morace Park, who lives in Essex, England, bought the battered olive green film canister listed as "an old film" for £3.20, and found the title Charlie Chaplin in Zepped inside.

His neighbour, John Dyer, former head of education at the British Board of Film Classification, knew the legend of the lost seven-minute film that includes a Zeppelin bomb attack. Released in 1916, it was believed to be World War I propaganda to reduce fear in Britain of German airship attacks, but the film vanished years ago.

Most recently, a Russian film academic article reported in 2006 that "the film has not survived."

"It starts with live shots of Chaplin," Park told The Guardian newspaper. "It then turns into a dreamscape. We see a Zeppelin bombing attack. And then we see Chaplin taking the mickey out of the Zeppelin, at the time a powerful instrument of terror."

Michael Pogorzelski, director of the archive at the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences in Los Angeles, told The Guardian: "It is an extremely interesting find" believed to be put together from outtakes of earlier films and shots of Zeppelins and other material.

The fragile 35 mm nitrate film should be transferred to film quickly to preserve it, said Pogorzelski.

After their discovery, Park and Dyer set out on what's now a month-long odyssey to Hollywood to piece together the story of Zepped, blogging and tweeting as they went. On Friday, they were in Los Angeles with filmmaker Hammad Khan, who was making a documentary about the discovery.

"We found a film. A lost film. But not just any old lost film," they reported on lostfilmproject.wordpress.com Oct. 9. "We think we might have made THE cinematic find of the last 100 years. It's something we feel compelled to get to the bottom of. And quick."

Later, they speculated: "Is it really that one in a million opportunity to grab a ride on what could turn out to be something quite remarkable and memorable – and not just for ourselves? These questions will persist, no doubt. But there's no turning back for sure. Of that I'm convinced. And that alone, is a little bit scary."

On Nov. 1 on Twitter, http://www.twitter.com/lostfilmproject, they disclosed what they had. Slowly word trickled out, first in Variety, the entertainment trade magazine, and then in several British newspapers on Friday.

As early as three weeks ago, fans at the online Charlie Chaplin Club started buzzing about the possibility Zepped still existed.

When an enthusiast with the screen name "Copper" at the Charlie Chaplin Club agitated to see a clip once the discoverer verified the news, Park doused him with, "Have patience. It's a little tricky getting nitrate film transferred."

The film was produced by the Essanay film company, to which the 25-year-old Chaplin was under contract in 1915 and where he established the Little Tramp character that would make him a superstar.
 
Alucrid said:
I should get into some more silent films. The last one I watched was Metropolis..

I am waiting to rewatch Metropolis when I get a chance to see the missing reel which was discovered not too long ago.
 
"We found a film. A lost film. But not just any old lost film," they reported on lostfilmproject.wordpress.com Oct. 9. "We think we might have made THE cinematic find of the last 100 years. It's something we feel compelled to get to the bottom of. And quick."
This is certainly cool, but it's not THE cinematic find of the last 100 years. It's not even the find of the last couple years. These guys are just really excited about their 15 minutes of pseudo-fame.
 
Dan said:
This is certainly cool, but it's not THE cinematic find of the last 100 years. It's not even the find of the last couple years. These guys are just really excited about their 15 minutes of pseudo-fame.

Yeah, they found an original cut of Metropolis a while back, that's already way more interesting.
 
Metropolis was an amazing discovery, but I wouldn't downplay a Chaplin lost film that much, because is freaking Chaplin.

Can't wait to see the remastered Metropolis with the lost scenes though, that movie still blows my mind.
 
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