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I have a job decision to make by tomorrow, and I'm having a hell of a hard time with it. Honestly it's one of the hardest decisions in my life, so far. I do feel really lucky for having to make such a decision, but that's part of why it's hard... Anyway, sorry for the long explanation:

I graduated in 2008 with a graphic design major and marketing minor, and I sat at a deli for a few years after, not finding any sort of job in my field, like most graduates nowadays. A very good friend from college, though, got some money from a friend and together they started a business. Since 2010 I was working with them on a freelance basis. I created their logo and a brochure and stuff. But, they were a very small business, and so things went slowly.

In July of this year he finally offered me a full time job doing design work and marketing for his business (My official title is Art and Marketing Director). I could work from home for the most part, but I had to go in to help with random stuff once in a while. He could only afford to pay me 20,000 a year salaried, which was less than my deli job, but I took it in a heartbeat because I believe in his business and I needed to get some non-freelance experience in my field. I also get 3 weeks paid vacation per year, so that was nice, and I already took one. I know it was pretty quick, but we had it planned already, since it was for my wife and my anniversary.

Since getting the job with my friend things have been pretty great. The first few weeks I did a bit over 40 hours per week. I have been creating promotional materials, helping with advertising ideas, and I'm in charge of their social media and website. I've completely redone their website, and update it when it needs updating. After those first few weeks, though things slowed down a bit. Worried a bit about how much he could realistically give me each week, and just still in the habit of doing it from before, I was still applying for other jobs. And, hey, it's always good to see what's out there anyway. Might find something awesome. And I always had it in my mind that I could probably tell him I'd work part time for him on my off time if I got another job. I could basically do all my marketing and design stuff with part time hours. I just wouldn't be able to do the random helping out stuff.

On top of this, my wife had been bugging me for a while about moving. She hates our apartment. It's way too cramped, and she found her dream place in her dream town just north of here. So, we bit the bullet and paid the fee to get out of our lease at this apartment and signed a lease at the new place for October 1st.

Well, it's like I've always told her, I didn't want to move until I got a really permanent job, because I knew once we moved I'd get something. I had applied to one job a while back, before the decision to move. I interviewed there while we were still deciding on moving, and then we signed the lease before I had my 2nd interview there. The job was for an art coordinator position at a company apparel place. I wasn't sure on the pay, but I was pretty sure it'd be higher than 20,000 per year, and it'd be with a bigger company. Anyway, they called me Friday and said I didn't get the art coordinator position, but they were thinking about expanding their art department and they wanted me to join as an artist at 11.50 an hour. And they said that their art department lead would be retiring next year so that's something I could apply for when the time came. I told them I'd have to talk to my wife and get back to them Monday about it.

Great! I was pretty happy as hell, since my plan was coming true, and this could potentially mean a part time job at my friend's place, and a nice secure decent paying job WITH WEEKENDS OFF!!!!! (Seriously that would be insane for me). BUT, we just signed a lease and are moving in just a week. And the new place is 58 miles, or 1 hour and 14 minutes away according to google maps. I could probably make it there in about an hour without snow, but Wisconsin winters can really be hell. And there's absolutely no way to get out of the new lease for at the least 6 months. My wife definitely doesn't want to move and then move again in 6 months anyway, so realistically it'll be a year before we could move closer to this new job.

So, I'm having an insane time with this decision. The new job will get me a lot of experience, and if I could pull off working both jobs I could be finally pulling in enough money that my wife and I could think about children in the future. And my resume would look pretty awesome. That's all great and all, but I'd be giving up a dream job of working at home for one of my best friends. And, he really helped me out beyond what's reasonable. Before putting his job on my resume I wasn't getting many responses at all. With his job there, I got an offer. And, I feel a bit bad already taking advantage of the vacation thing, and leaving so soon after starting with him, since I'm sure he still has big plans for this business, since it's pretty much his life right now. No matter what I don't want to stop working for him and doing that stuff. I've essentially created the entire branding for his business from the ground up, and so it's kind of my baby too at this point.

So, I've talked with my wife and my parents and some friends and got a lot of viewpoints, but I'm still really struggling with this decision. I don't want to look back on it a year from now and think I've fucked up my future by not taking the job. I also don't want to work like crazy for a year if it really isn't worth it. So, I turn to you gaf. Do I risk the relationship with my friend and the crazy awesome job I have now to try and work my ass off and drive 2-3 hours every day to/from a full time job, but have my resume look great afterwards? Or do I tell them no and stick by my friend for a while longer and hope something closer comes along (or that the job with my friend gets me more money quicker)? Is working an hour+ away really as big of a drag as I'm thinking it might be?

tl;dr Can't decide between risking things and possibly working my ass off for a year to have my cake and eat it too, or whether I should just sit on easy street for a while, even though there isn't much money on easy street.
 
Well I don't know what to say about your friend's company and all that but as far as the commute is concerned - I go the same distance every day (although it takes me 50 minutes to an hour as opposed to an hour and 15 minutes) and its not that bad. Especially now that I found a bus that goes from my home town to the city I work. I get to catch up on reading/sleep during the ride. Maybe you could find a bus or something too?
 
Maklershed said:
Well I don't know what to say about your friend's company and all that but as far as the commute is concerned - I go the same distance every day (although it takes me 50 minutes to an hour as opposed to an hour and 15 minutes) and its not that bad. Especially now that I found a bus that goes from my home town to the city I work. I get to catch up on reading/sleep during the ride. Maybe you could find a bus or something too?

Nope, bus definitely wouldn't work. Milwaukee's bus system sucks. And my new place is a bit out of the city on the north side, and the new job is a ways out of the city on the south side.
 
Takes me about an hour to get to work one way on the train and bus. So do many other people. No big deal.

Although driving would be more annoying.
 
commute shouldn't really factor into things, an hour each way is nothing; alot of people do that or more. two hours plus each way is getting crazy though.

in terms of choosing which job, go with your gut.
 
Veins said:
Takes me about an hour to get to work one way on the train and bus. So do many other people. No big deal.

Although driving would be more annoying.

I probably wouldn't mind an hour bus drive, since I could do something else or whatever, but this is over an hour drive. And if you don't know Wisconsin winters that will definitely balloon to 2+ hours at least a few times. I've done a 45 minute drive before, but that's almost what scares me. One particular night it took me 3 1/2 hours to get home because of Wisconsin winter.

Also, I did a calculation on gas cost, and it'll cost me 12 bucks each and every day going there, since it's literally 60 miles away. Is that not unreasonable?
 
that's a touch decision, if you see your mates business going somewhere in the future and you love working with him then id stay there. (you can always get a job somewhere else if need be but working with your mate is a one off thing that prob wont happen again)
it might just come down to how much you want a fun job with delayed $ or instant $$ with the possibility of a fun job
 
I'll chime in.

1. Don't quit your current job. If your job with your friends company has slowed and you feel like you can handle the work load, I say go for it if...

2. You are willing to pay for the price of gas in hopes that the experience gained at the new company will pay off in the long run.

3. I would calculate the cost of gas and car maintenance and ask yourself if it's worth the money. You may end up making the same amount as if you took a lower paying job closer to home.

I know plenty of people who have two jobs. In this case, it looks like you may have an opportunity to get promoted and get more experience. Whatever you do, don't quit your job with your friend. It sounds like it's paying decent right now and it might pay off in the long run.
 
MadOdorMachine said:
I'll chime in.

1. Don't quit your current job. If your job with your friends company has slowed and you feel like you can handle the work load, I say go for it if...

2. You are willing to pay for the price of gas in hopes that the experience gained at the new company will pay off in the long run.

3. I would calculate the cost of gas and car maintenance and ask yourself if it's worth the money. You may end up making the same amount as if you took a lower paying job closer to home.

I know plenty of people who have two jobs. In this case, it looks like you may have an opportunity to get promoted and get more experience. Whatever you do, don't quit your job with your friend. It sounds like it's paying decent right now and it might pay off in the long run.

On point 1: I know, I really don't want to quit. If I talked to him and he said he needed me full time and wouldn't want me part time no questions asked I wouldn't do this. I want to stay with him because I believe in the business and where it could go after probably 5 or 6 years. Problem is I know it really won't go anywhere for that long. He makes slower more calculated decisions. They're great decisions, but with as slow as things are going it's not going to be "big time" for a while.

On point 2: That's where I don't really know. I'm not sure how much that will pay off in the long run.

On point 3: Cost of gas is about 12 bucks per day. 6 bucks each way. Maintenance I'm not really sure about. So, calculating drive time in with that and everything it amounts to about 8 dollars an hour at this place. I could go back to my deli job which is pretty close at any time and get 10 an hour, but on a resume that doesn't look as good as being an artist for a place. And it has no upward mobility at all.
 
RDreamer said:
I probably wouldn't mind an hour bus drive, since I could do something else or whatever, but this is over an hour drive. And if you don't know Wisconsin winters that will definitely balloon to 2+ hours at least a few times. I've done a 45 minute drive before, but that's almost what scares me. One particular night it took me 3 1/2 hours to get home because of Wisconsin winter.

Also, I did a calculation on gas cost, and it'll cost me 12 bucks each and every day going there, since it's literally 60 miles away. Is that not unreasonable?
Just to crunch some number for you quickly.

Gas = $60/week. In reality, it will be more, but we'll go with this.
Pay = $460/week. I'm assuming this is 40 hrs/wk.
Deductions = ~ $150/wk. This may be off, but I used 33% for federal, state, social security, etc.

That comes out to roughly $250/wk or $1000/mo.

This isn't taking into account higher gas prices which I'm positive will go up or vehicle maintenance. It also doesn't take into account food or the emotional toll it can take driving that long distance. Honestly man, I wouldn't take the job unless you plan to move closer asap.
 
RDreamer said:
On point 1: I know, I really don't want to quit. If I talked to him and he said he needed me full time and wouldn't want me part time no questions asked I wouldn't do this. I want to stay with him because I believe in the business and where it could go after probably 5 or 6 years. Problem is I know it really won't go anywhere for that long. He makes slower more calculated decisions. They're great decisions, but with as slow as things are going it's not going to be "big time" for a while.

On point 2: That's where I don't really know. I'm not sure how much that will pay off in the long run.

On point 3: Cost of gas is about 12 bucks per day. 6 bucks each way. Maintenance I'm not really sure about. So, calculating drive time in with that and everything it amounts to about 8 dollars an hour at this place. I could go back to my deli job which is pretty close at any time and get 10 an hour, but on a resume that doesn't look as good as being an artist for a place. And it has no upward mobility at all.
What kind of car are you driving? How old is it and how many miles are on it?
 
MadOdorMachine said:
What kind of car are you driving? How old is it and how many miles are on it?

It's a Saturn from... I think 96. It's got 120,000 miles on it. It works well, but I'm not sure how much I'd trust it driving 120 miles every day. We'd probably have to quickly search for another car if I took the job, anyway.
 
RDreamer said:
It's a Saturn from... I think 96. It's got 120,000 miles on it. It works well, but I'm not sure how much I'd trust it driving 60 miles every day. We'd probably have to quickly search for another car if I took the job, anyway.
I'm going to assume it get's 25 mpg. So that's approx 4 gal round trip which is ~ $15/day on gas alone. You're going to put some miles on that car quickly if you do this and you don't want to be stranded in Wisconsin in the middle of winter. If you stayed where you are, you'll need a new car a lot sooner which means another big chunk of your money is gone. Either way you go, you'll have to spend more on oil changes, etc.

Where will this leave your wife while you're at work? I'm assuming since you work from home you can get by on one car. Does she have a way to get around? I don't know man, unless you want to move, this could really cause a rift in your relationship with your wife. You will be gone a lot and leaving her stranded could be very detrimental. I'd take the job if you're willing to move. You need to talk to her about it.
 
Do the new job.

1 hr commute is nothing. Tell that to the people in LA where that hour is spent in the same 2 mile stretch due to traffic.

Get out of your old lease early if you can so you can move to the new place. Just don't unpack much.

You have to do what's best for you.
 
RDreamer said:
Moving to Cedarburg. Commuting to Waterford.

Ahh, I'm only about an hour north of Cedarburg. Won't you be commuting through Milwaukee? Won't the rush hour traffic make that commute much longer than the ~1 hour you are predicting?
 
I know it sounds terrible, but if this is the first job offer you've had, don't beat yourself up for having to make a tough decision and pass it up. It happens all the time. I would talk to your wife though and if you haven't moved yet, you may want to reconsider. It sounds like this job could be a good thing, but you have to be willing to move, especially if you're as young as you sound like you are. There will be other jobs and other nice places to live, trust me. It's hard not to get emotional about it, but think of it strategically and where you want to be in the future. Have a long term plan and ask yourself what's will matter more in 5 yrs from now - where you lived or what job you took.
 
Korey said:
Do the new job.

1 hr commute is nothing. Tell that to the people in LA where that hour is spent in the same 2 mile stretch due to traffic.

Get out of your old lease early if you can so you can move to the new place. Just don't unpack much.

You have to do what's best for you.
In his defense, living in L.A. isn't the same as living near Lake Michigan with sub-zero winters. It can get really nasty, real quick.
 
MadOdorMachine said:
I'm going to assume it get's 25 mpg. So that's approx 4 gal round trip which is ~ $15/day on gas alone. You're going to put some miles on that car quickly if you do this and you don't want to be stranded in Wisconsin in the middle of winter. If you stayed where you are, you'll need a new car a lot sooner which means another big chunk of your money is gone. Either way you go, you'll have to spend more on oil changes, etc.

Where will this leave your wife while you're at work? I'm assuming since you work from home you can get by on one car. Does she have a way to get around? I don't know man, unless you want to move, this could really cause a rift in your relationship with your wife. You will be gone a lot and leaving her stranded could be very detrimental. I'd take the job if you're willing to move. You need to talk to her about it.

Right now we get by on one car. We're looking for another cheaper one anyway. She works at the deli that I quit to take the job with my friend. She normally works 6-2, and this job is 8-4:30 during the week, so I would still see her a good amount, since my part time work would be at home. Being tired from working and driving might cause a rift, but I'm not sure. I know having children and finding a house is very important to her and I partially feel terrible about not being able to provide that for so very long. At his point it's still a glimmer of hope of having kids in the next 3 years. That's partially why I would even want to do this. It would bolster my resume and I could possibly have a chance of making more.


shanshan310 said:
Is it possible to work both jobs for a while and see how you go? If it doesn't work out you can always quit the long commute job.

It's possible, but There's a problem with having a resume with jobs I've had for only a few months. And I don't really want to put my relationship with my friend/boss on ice for something that won't work out. Don't know though maybe he wouldn't mind. I'm planning on mentioning it to him today.

My other idea is to call them up and basically tell them that at this time it's not feasible to switch to a main full time job that's that far away, but that I'd be more than happy to put in 2 or 3 days a week there if they really did need more people in their art department. He did say they get busy as hell during fall and they usually do overtime, and they really just needed more people. Maybe they'll go for that idea, since it means not paying me benefits or anything. I'd get experience, and still have a shot at getting in there full time eventually and possibly getting that lead position later. Maybe that's the best chance? It's a low chance they'll go for it, though, I suppose.
 
MadOdorMachine said:
In his defense, living in L.A. isn't the same as living near Lake Michigan with sub-zero winters. It can get really nasty, real quick.
Yep, that's why I suggested he get out of his current lease so he can move asap
 
Korey said:
Yep, that's why I suggested he get out of his current lease so he can move asap

Can't. We signed a thing with the lease saying we absolutely cannot move for 6 months, since people don't generally move during the winter. So we're stuck until March.

Dr. Feel Good said:
Ahh, I'm only about an hour north of Cedarburg. Won't you be commuting through Milwaukee? Won't the rush hour traffic make that commute much longer than the ~1 hour you are predicting?

Yeah, it very much could. Though from my experience it's really only heavy going into the middle of Milwaukee during the morning. And they did say that starting hours are kind of flexible. I could start at 7:30, which would put me on the road at 6 or so. From what I remember of my college commute rush hour starts at about 7 or so, so I should be through that first part of Milwaukee before it starts. For coming home I'll probably hit a bit of it though.


MadOdorMachine said:
I know it sounds terrible, but if this is the first job offer you've had, don't beat yourself up for having to make a tough decision and pass it up. It happens all the time. I would talk to your wife though and if you haven't moved yet, you may want to reconsider. It sounds like this job could be a good thing, but you have to be willing to move, especially if you're as young as you sound like you are. There will be other jobs and other nice places to live, trust me. It's hard not to get emotional about it, but think of it strategically and where you want to be in the future. Have a long term plan and ask yourself what's will matter more in 5 yrs from now - where you lived or what job you took.

We'd definitely hold things off and move directly down to this job if we could, but the lease we signed says we cannot get out of it for 6 months at the very earliest. And yeah, I am getting emotional about it because it really is my first job offer outside of my friend's place, and I think in the long term doing both that and the stuff with my friends would be huge. At least I think so. That's partially why I came here, too. Is having Artist - Full Time for a good stable company, and Art and Marketing Director for a small time business really as great on a resume as I think it is? Or should I just go back to the deli if I want money and stick to Art and Marketing Director at a small town business.
 
You have a family to provide for. Your friend should understand that. You shouldn't feel emotionally blackmailed to work for him just because he's your friend (though I think that pressure might come from you more than from him).

Now, a full-time job + a part-time job + 2h30-3h commutes everyday can be physically/emotionally draining, though you might want think about the implications about this until you feel the full weight of it.

What does your wife think about eventually moving? Isn't this "her dream place in her dream town"?
 
Llyranor said:
You have a family to provide for. Your friend should understand that. You shouldn't feel emotionally blackmailed to work for him just because he's your friend (though I think that pressure might come from you more than from him).

Now, a full-time job + a part-time job + 2h30-3h commutes everyday can be physically/emotionally draining, though you might want think about the implications about this until you feel the full weight of it.

What does your wife think about eventually moving? Isn't this "her dream place in her dream town"?

Yeah, I know the pressure is probably coming more from me than him. I'm extremely loyal and also grateful for what he's done for me. I also just really really don't like doing anything that might be construed badly.

My wife doesn't want to move after 6 months. When I told her about the job she was happy, but she was a bit saddened when I said "You know that means we have to move after 6 months." She didn't like the fact that she can't really look forward to the new place and getting things the way she'd like them if she has to move right away.

But it's a double edged sword. Children and getting an actual house are her big dreams. Those won't come nearly as fast with my friend's job, especially since she really wants to be a stay at home mother. She knows she can't do that at all on me just making 20,000 a year. And I don't have health insurance with my friend's job. So, it's impossible until I find something else.
 
RDreamer said:
Can't. We signed a thing with the lease saying we absolutely cannot move for 6 months, since people don't generally move during the winter. So we're stuck until March.



Yeah, it very much could. Though from my experience it's really only heavy going into the middle of Milwaukee during the morning. And they did say that starting hours are kind of flexible. I could start at 7:30, which would put me on the road at 6 or so. From what I remember of my college commute rush hour starts at about 7 or so, so I should be through that first part of Milwaukee before it starts. For coming home I'll probably hit a bit of it though.




We'd definitely hold things off and move directly down to this job if we could, but the lease we signed says we cannot get out of it for 6 months at the very earliest. And yeah, I am getting emotional about it because it really is my first job offer outside of my friend's place, and I think in the long term doing both that and the stuff with my friends would be huge. At least I think so. That's partially why I came here, too. Is having Artist - Full Time for a good stable company, and Art and Marketing Director for a small time business really as great on a resume as I think it is? Or should I just go back to the deli if I want money and stick to Art and Marketing Director at a small town business.
I'm sure you could get out of that lease if you wanted to. If you haven't moved in yet, I'd read over it with a fine tooth comb and look for an escape clause. If there isn't, just talk to them. I'm sure you can get out of it. There will be other nice places to live, I assure you. Your wife might be more acceptable of it if you approached from the angle of having kids too. This will get you closer to that. It's a career progression and you have to be able to move if necessary. At least you haven't bought a house. You're actually in pretty good shape. If all you lose on not moving to your new place is a deposit, you might want to cut your losses and take the new job. I would recommend it if you lived closer, but I think in your situation, you'd be stretching yourself too thin. Hold off on moving, don't take no for an answer from the apartment you signed a lease at. Take the job and keep the job with your friend. If you're working from home, that's a huge plus. This could be really good for you, but I highly recommend you not move further away from your job location.
 
Do you think a good job will come by more easily if you have this one on your resume? I'm sure there will be other opportunities if you aren't sure. Also commuting for six months in the hope that you can move closer later doesn't sound like fun, especially since it seems like it isn't going to be a long term job. Have you got good prospects with your friend's business or will you be making 20,000 there indefinitely?

I reckon you ask the new job about working there part time. Might be a happy compromise? You still get to put them on your resume.
 
MadOdorMachine said:
I'm sure you could get out of that lease if you wanted to. If you haven't moved in yet, I'd read over it with a fine tooth comb and look for an escape clause. If there isn't, just talk to them. I'm sure you can get out of it. There will be other nice places to live, I assure you. Your wife might be more acceptable of it if you approached from the angle of having kids too. This will get you closer to that. It's a career progression and you have to be able to move if necessary. At least you haven't bought a house. You're actually in pretty good shape. If all you lose on not moving to your new place is a deposit, you might want to cut your losses and take the new job. I would recommend it if you lived closer, but I think in your situation, you'd be stretching yourself too thin. Hold off on moving, don't take no for an answer from the apartment you signed a lease at. Take the job and keep the job with your friend. If you're working from home, that's a huge plus. This could be really good for you, but I highly recommend you not move further away from your job location.

On an off note, there probably is a way to actually get out of the lease, since she put the wrong address on the lease... But man I'd feel like beyond an asshole using that to get out of it literally a week before moving there.


shanshan310 said:
Do you think a good job will come by more easily if you have this one on your resume? I'm sure there will be other opportunities if you aren't sure. Also commuting for six months in the hope that you can move closer later doesn't sound like fun, especially since it seems like it isn't going to be a long term job. Have you got good prospects with your friend's business or will you be making 20,000 there indefinitely?

I reckon you ask the new job about working there part time. Might be a happy compromise? You still get to put them on your resume.


This new job is a pretty permanent sounding job, and there's room for some growth, so that's good. As for my friend's business I'm definitely not making 20,000 indefinitely, since he made sure to say "to start with" a few times when he signed me on, but it's still a long way away. He's growing slowly, and that's 20,000 without benefits. It'll be a while before I get the equivalent of 11.50/hr with benefits, I think. Unless I do one hell of a job marketing, I suppose....

And yeah my idea was to ask them about working part time there. I said that idea a few posts up. I might try that.
 
RDreamer said:
On an off note, there probably is a way to actually get out of the lease, since she put the wrong address on the lease... But man I'd feel like beyond an asshole using that to get out of it literally a week before moving there.
You'll be happier than a pig in shit and laughing all the way to the bank my friend. You just found yourself a way out. The only one stopping you is you. You can make it work - I say go for it!
 
MadOdorMachine said:
You'll be happier than a pig in shit and laughing all the way to the bank my friend. You just found yourself a way out. The only one stopping you is you. You can make it work - I say go for it!

You really think this is the best way to go about things? I mean seriously ethically that sounds awful. I mean if it were some big company that'd be one thing, but it's a really nice older lady...

And how do I even go about breaking that lease like that? I mean do I just say sucks to you and have her take me to court or whatever and be like "Look, that' the wrong address."
 
A few years back my wife and I moved to a small town half way between her college and St. Louis so I could take a new job I was offered in my field for less money than a non-field job was offering me.

I drove an hour each way, she drove an hour and a half. She realigned her classes (PhD student) to only have to go down 3 or at most 4 days a week, I took all the travel assignments at my new job.

I legitimately went the first year spending maybe three weeks at home other than weekends. It was shit and I'm salary so I wasn't even seeing OT pay to compensate.

But my hard work got noticed, my salary as basically doubled in just a couple years, and now my wife just got a job maybe two miles down the street from me in her field as well, actually making more money than I do on her first in-field position.

It was a rough two years doing the grind, and the third year when she finished and we moved into the city but she couldn't find a job in her field wasn't the easiest thing either, but in the end the fact that we were willing to go out of our way to make what we wanted happen resonated throughout our lives and we're now on the brink of achieving what we spent years working for.

The point to my little story? Don't let a long commute scare you. You're young, you don't have kids, and you have passion for what you do. Make sure you and your wife talk about everything each step of the way and agree on the path you will take, but my recommendation is to view the next year as a chance to prove yourself in the field. Take the new job, view every single day as a chance to prove that you deserve the department lead position. Let your work and how you conduct yourself speak for you and make it abundantly clear the job should be yours.

At the same time help your friend part time. Explain to him that you'll have weekends off and will do as much physical assistance with him then as possible and know that your evenings will largely center around his company. Tell him you'll work for free to repay the vacation you've already taken and just be honest and open with him. Tell him you believe in his company and the branding you've developed for him, but that this new job offers valuable experience for you and more financial flexibility for him. Honestly, if you believe in the company as much as it sounds like maybe consider offering your work for free in exchange for a junior partner role.

Then in about a year if you get the department lead job you and your wife move closer to your 40 hour job to soften the commute. Even if you don't your resume will have taken a serious step up and you'll be making connections in your field. Your friend should understand the value of those connections and the experience you will gain working in a larger corporate setting, and how it will directly help his business's growth.

So ideal world you get the dept. lead job and move closer, making more money and having more free time while still helping your friend part time. Secondary to that you grind it out and don't get the dept. lead job but your friend's business starts to take off thanks your mutual hard work. You can transition back to full time with him feeling more secure long-term. Worst case scenario a year passes, you don't get the dept. lead job and your friend's business treading water. You could still move closer and save yourself the commute, or you could use your now roid fueled resume to go shopping for a better 40 hr. job while still helping your friend part time.

Opening all these avenues of choice and positive possibilities is well worth the sacrifice entailed by one year of long commutes and late nights of work you're passionate about.
 
Rad- said:
Just take the job. You'll get used to the long and cold driving pretty quickly, believe me.
In a '96 Saturn that could require heavy maintenance at any moment?

I say stay where you are. Put in good work, build up a great portfolio, take side jobs every chance you get (even if they don't pay). If you have such confidence in your friend and truly believe that the business will take off in time, you will certainly reap the rewards.

Also, increased commute time means time away from your wife, time you aren't relaxing, doing things at home, enjoying your life. Believe me, I know the strain that this can put on a relationship and your state of mind.

If you have no problems affording your current lifestyle with your current job and current situation, there is no reason to leave aside from your dream, which if I'm reading your OP correctly, isn't guaranteed to become a reality (you'll have to apply for the position you want when it opens up.)
 
RDreamer said:
You really think this is the best way to go about things? I mean seriously ethically that sounds awful. I mean if it were some big company that'd be one thing, but it's a really nice older lady...

And how do I even go about breaking that lease like that? I mean do I just say sucks to you and have her take me to court or whatever and be like "Look, that' the wrong address."
If you really want to go this route (wife's dream apt. in dream town seems like something hse wouldn't want to pass up though, FYI) you can always just notify the land lady that the lease has the wrong address and is invalid so you need a redraft sent to you. A few days after you get it give her a call and tell her you've lost your job or something of that sort and so will not be able to sign the new lease in good faith.
 
Drek said:
If you really want to go this route (wife's dream apt. in dream town seems like something hse wouldn't want to pass up though, FYI) you can always just notify the land lady that the lease has the wrong address and is invalid so you need a redraft sent to you. A few days after you get it give her a call and tell her you've lost your job or something of that sort and so will not be able to sign the new lease in good faith.

It is her dream town, for sure. We've both always liked Cedarburg. It's nice and quiet, but still has some stuff to do and is still close enough to the city. Her actual dream is to get a house, though.

As for notifying the land lady and all that, that wouldn't work. She's on vacation now until after we move in (I think the 27th or something she's coming back). I have no way of contacting her (she only gave a landline). And she'd probably want to meet to resign the lease rather than sending it out.
 
Cryptozoologist said:
If you have no problems affording your current lifestyle with your current job and current situation, there is no reason to leave aside from your dream, which if I'm reading your OP correctly, isn't guaranteed to become a reality (you'll have to apply for the position you want when it opens up.)

My "dream" isn't necessarily that lead position. It's really just to make enough doing a good marketing or design job that I could sustain a family. Yeah, I probably couldn't get that on 11.50, but it's a lot closer than 20,000.

I can afford our current lifestyle, but my wife wants a child and a house at some point. That's so far out of the question on this salary. And we did move to a place that's a bit costlier, so we're only really barely making it on this salary. I might need to take my deli job again part time to afford things, depending on how things go.
 
NIN90 said:
Just stick with your current job and keep looking for a new one closer to your home.

That would definitely be what I'd normally do, except this economy has me scared shitless. This is literally the first job offer I've had outside of my friend's place. My friend's place has obviously given me some clout in the industry, but I just worry about how much that actually is. Is a job from a friend really that much? I suppose I still have work to show from it, which I'm insanely proud of, but I just worry that after 3 years of nothing and having only that on my resume that I just won't get one closer.
 
You have any friends in Waterford?

Can you find a place to chill in during the work week at Waterford? M-Th nights (4 nights a week), live in Waterford. Go back home on the weekends.

You could find a ~$30/night motel, or some similar deal, which basically matches the gas and car maintenance costs.

Can you do that? I would.

My advice: Take this job no matter what. You can't choose to be that picky about jobs location wise. TAKE IT.

I'm looking for work all over the country and having a hard time. You're limited by your location in a 100 mile radius. Do the math- not that many opportunities.



Also all these guys telling him to look for something closer: When is the last time you looked for a job? Do you know how tough it is? It doesn't look like you do.
 
Id do a test drive from your new apt to your potential job in rush hour traffic. There is no way you are going to do 60 miles in less then an hour.

Id say its 1hr and 30 - 2hrs in traffic.
 
Darren870 said:
Id do a test drive from your new apt to your potential job in rush hour traffic. There is no way you are going to do 60 miles in less then an hour.

Id say its 1hr and 30 - 2hrs in traffic.

It is all highway, until the very end. I kind of tested it when I went in for my interviews. I definitely got there in less than an hour. I want to say it was about 45 minutes, but that was from my current place (which is 45 miles and an estimated 1 hour).

And I don't think I'd have to worry much about rush hour into work. I used to have to drive into the city for classes, and I usually missed rush hour because we were on the road a bit early. Since I'd have to be on the road by about 6 AM I don't think there'll be much rush hour, since that is usually only going into the city and it breaks up a ton once you hit the center and start leaving the city.

But yeah during winter it'd probably be a hour and a half.


I might do a test drive, I suppose. Maybe tomorrow I should get up early and drive to the new apt and do that.
 
RDreamer said:
It is all highway, until the very end. I kind of tested it when I went in for my interviews. I definitely got there in less than an hour. I want to say it was about 45 minutes, but that was from my current place (which is 45 miles and an estimated 1 hour).

And I don't think I'd have to worry much about rush hour into work. I used to have to drive into the city for classes, and I usually missed rush hour because we were on the road a bit early. Since I'd have to be on the road by about 6 AM I don't think there'll be much rush hour, since that is usually only going into the city and it breaks up a ton once you hit the center and start leaving the city.

But yeah during winter it'd probably be a hour and a half.


I might do a test drive, I suppose. Maybe tomorrow I should get up early and drive to the new apt and do that.

I would leave when you are trying to get in also. I mean you prob are going to be working 9-5 like most right? Unless you can alter your hours to like 7-3 you will get stuck in that for a while.

Just something to keep in mind of course, got to think to yourself if you could do this everyday. If its for something you love and shows growth then the answer should be yes I would imagine.
 
Darren870 said:
I would leave when you are trying to get in also. I mean you prob are going to be working 9-5 like most right? Unless you can alter your hours to like 7-3 you will get stuck in that for a while.

Just something to keep in mind of course, got to think to yourself if you could do this everyday. If its for something you love and shows growth then the answer should be yes I would imagine.

He said the normal hours are 8-4:30, but he said hours are a bit flexible, especially with the art staff, and most of them apparently come in at about 7:30. I'm almost wondering now if I could see if they'd let me do four 10 hour shifts. Work 7-5. I'd miss rush hour, and would have one day less driving. I know it's asking a lot of a job you just got offered, but it might be worth it.
 
11.50 doesn't seem like much of a raise over what you're making now, and you'll have to factor in gas to drive 116 miles a day. If anything, you'll probably be coming out behind your current situation, financially anyway.
 
Azwethinkweiz said:
11.50 doesn't seem like much of a raise over what you're making now, and you'll have to factor in gas to drive 116 miles a day. If anything, you'll probably be coming out behind your current situation, financially anyway.

Yeah, switching straight up to this job would put me behind. But I think I can keep working for my friend part time, and probably 10,000 per year AND have this new job. So in that case I come out ahead.

And I sure as hell wouldn't permanently stay 60 miles away. 6 months to a year from now I'd move closer.
 
As someone who commutes for an hour, one way, to school let me tell you it isnt that bad. Partly because I have an ipod, and partly because you just get use to it. However, with that being said gas is expensive so that would be a weekly expense will be getting higher. Also I live in West Virginia and we get some pretty bad snow storms, but luckily I have a cousin to stay with. So expect to put up some money for a hotel room in the winter, because if you drive a two wheeled vehicle you might want to stay the night before and the night after.

And about your friend? I dont know him or your relationship with him. But this is business, and your future, so make yourself happy, and hopefully your friend will be happy for you, and understand that this is a great business opportunity for you.
 
RDreamer said:
Can't. We signed a thing with the lease saying we absolutely cannot move for 6 months, since people don't generally move during the winter. So we're stuck until March.
how about subleasing?
 
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