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A teacher was beaten at my school today

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Chipopo

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came to school 8th period today just so I could hand in an essay, and there was an ambulance outside.

Apparently the macro-economics teacher had asked a kid who was standing outside school smoking a cigarette for his schedule to see if he was cutting. The kid ignored him and started walking away, so the teacher grabbed his arm. The kid fucking choke-holds the teacher, punches him a few times until he falls over. Then he STAMPS ALL OVER HIS FACE. That's the most prevelant rumor anyway...I heard a wide range of stories within the next half hour.

This kid was a senior. It was the last day of the term, the last important day of his highschool career. Now he's expelled. How fucking STUPID CAN YOU BE?

Bronx Science is going to shit.
 

duckroll

Member
My F*cking Grandpa said:
This kid was a senior. It was the last day of the term, the last important day of his highschool career. Now he's expelled. How fucking STUPID CAN YOU BE?

I hope for the sake of everyone that he's more than expelled. I mean he IS in lock-up now right? With charges pending? Right? Riiiiiight?
 

jobber

Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
"Hey want to go push the janitor knowing he can't legally push us back?"
 

Chipopo

Banned
Honestly I have no fucking idea what the full story is, or what kind of punishment the kid recieved. Chances are he's locked the fuck up, yes. I'm just waiting for the news report at this point.
 

Chipopo

Banned
Oh, I should mention that the teacher is short, frail, skinny and ultra sensitive. Anyone on this forum could have kicked his scrawny ass.
 

tedtropy

$50/hour, but no kissing on the lips and colors must be pre-separated
RonaldoSan said:
Why does a grown man get his ass kicked by some kid punk?

Uh, some senior "kid punks" can be pretty damn big.
 
RonaldoSan said:
Why does a grown man get his ass kicked by some kid punk?

Could you imagine the scandal that would occur if the teacher had hit the kid in any way, even if it was in self defense? Don't be so stupid.
 

Kave_Man

come in my shame circle
Something like that happened at my school. We were doing a test and another teacher walked into the class, saw a student had a cell phone and took it away. The student demanded his cell phone back, the teacher wouldn't give it and walked into his office. The student followed, tried to grab back his cellphone and the teacher ends up pushing him so they start fighting. It was insane!
 

Loki

Count of Concision
Kabuki Waq said:
Kids have no respect these days.

Quoted for emphasis.


But don't worry Kabuki-- it's always been this way. At least that's what everyone tells me whenever I point to the descent of our society. Back when my parents were young, students used to throw desks at teachers regularly! Well, no, not really-- but you get the point! :p


But shit, I don't even have to go THAT far back. When I was in school, you wouldn't dare to so much as look at a teacher the wrong way. Our society has deteriorated, in many respects, in a mere 20 years. These are not isolated incidents; I challenge anyone who thinks they are to come work in the NY public school system. The stories my sister, cousin, and mother could tell you would shock you-- and they work in the "good" schools! :lol
 

KingGondo

Banned
When kids just can't behave anymore...

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Loki

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Trakball said:
Gotta agree, along the same lines of "just give the fucking robber the money"

Oh I agree too-- but there are far more proportionate responses (shaking yourself free, possibly pushing the teacher to make him release you and then complaining to the principal etc.) than what this kid did. Further, this is one of the very few incidents where a teacher or other employee put their hands on a student in any way-- teachers nowadays live in fear of lawsuits, believe it or not. Yet students assault, spit at, and curse at teachers and other workers all the time.
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
Loki said:
Quoted for emphasis.


But don't worry Kabuki-- it's always been this way. At least that's what everyone tells me whenever I point to the descent of our society. Back when my parents were young, students used to throw desks at teachers regularly! Well, no, not really-- but you get the point! :p


But shit, I don't even have to go THAT far back. When I was in school, you wouldn't dare to so much as look at a teacher the wrong way. Our society has deteriorated, in many respects, in a mere 20 years. These are not isolated incidents; I challenge anyone who thinks they are to come work in the NY public school system. The stories my sister, cousin, and mother could tell you would shock you-- and they work in the "good" schools! :lol

Interesting study by the University of Arkansas Criminal Justice Institute on School Violence- http://www.svrc.net/Files/Prevalence.pdf. A mixed bag of results, though certainly nothing in line with the sensationalistic spin put on it by the media to sell.

During the past twenty years, national concern regarding school-related violence has reached epic proportions. Although recent statistics have indicated a decline in the incidence of school-related violence, media accounts of violent events, especially school shootings, continue to raise awareness and concern.

Since 1995, juvenile robbery arrests decreased 39 percent, matching 1970’s lows.

Juvenile arrests for weapons possession dropped 27 percent between 1995 and 1999.

Violent Crime Index offenses by juveniles fell 36 percent between 1994 and 1999.

Juvenile homicide arrests fell 68 percent since 1993 to their lowest level since the 1960’s.

Conclusions:

Second, school crime rates are generally declining. Students are feeling safer at school despite the fact that in 1998, 12-18 year olds were the victims of 2.7 million school crimes, including 252,700 nonfatal serious violent crimes. More significantly, children were twice as likely to be victims of nonfatal serious violent crime away from school than in school. Collectively, most types of school-related violence have significantly decreased since peaking in 1993-1994. However, these rates are slightly higher than early 1980’s rates. While Violent Crime Index offenses, especially homicide, are significantly lower, certain activities such as drug and alcohol use, bullying and weapons possession are actually increasing. Also increasing are teacher victimization rates.

Finally, statistical data did not generally support public perceptions of school-related violence.
 

Loki

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AstroLad, yes, it may have gotten better from what it was in the mid-late 90's, but it's hardly what it was 20 years ago. Further, the studies you cited deal with student-on-student violence, which is not what I was talking about.


I'm not just speaking of "shootings" (which I'm sure are down in schools just like they're down in NY in general), but general incivility, assault, etc.-- particularly against faculty and staff moreso than other students (which your citations speak to).


There was NO SUCH THING as a student getting raped by another student in a public school when I was young. It simply didn't happen. Yet I read about it at least once or twice a month in the papers now.


Can some things be attributed to media "sensationalism"? Sure. Can it ALL be? No; like I said, all you have to do is speak to the people actually working in these schools to hear the firsthand accounts, and then ask them if they ever saw anything like that when they were in school. To a person, they'll tell you "no". Make of that what you will. I'm reasonably certain that it's not "nostalgia" that's causing all these adults to "block out" all the kids throwing chairs at teachers and spitting at them from when they were younger. Reasonably certain.
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
Loki said:
AstroLad, yes, it may have gotten better from what it was in the mid-late 90's, but it's hardly what it was 20 years ago. Further, the studies you cited deal with student-on-student violence, which was not what I was talking about.


I'm not just speaking of "shootings" (which I'm sure are down in schools just like they're down in NY in general), but general incivility, assault, etc.-- particularly against faculty and staff moreso than other students (which your citations speak to).

The study discusses teacher victimization rates several times, it's even in a passage I quoted in my post.
 

Loki

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AstroLad said:
The study discusses teacher victimization rates several times, it's even in a passage I quoted in my post.

No, they mentioned it once, and concluded that it is increasing. Here:

Also increasing are teacher victimization rates

Assuming that this means "teachers-as-victim" rather than the converse-- some people don't use english properly, so who knows. :p


EDIT: My mistake-- you said that the study (which I didn't read) mentioned it several times, not your citations. Sorry. :) Still, the one mention of it in your excerpts from the study support my general conclusion. I'll look over the entire study now, though, and see if it says different.
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
Loki said:
No, they mentioned it once, and concluded that it is increasing. Here:



Assuming that this means "teachers-as-victim" rather than the converse-- some people don't use english properly, so who knows. :p


EDIT: My mistake-- you said that the study (which I didn't read) mentioned it several times, not your citations. Sorry. :) Still, the one mention of it in your excerpts from the study support my general sentiment.

Oh I wasn't posting it as a specific counterpoint anything you said (like I said, it's a mixed bag, so it really wouldn't support either "side"), just thought the study may be useful/interesting to some.
 
I saw a teacher get beat up right in front of me when I was in junior high. A kid I knew and who was actually nice to me, I think his name was Jose or Julio is the one who did the deed. We were in science class and it was a sub. Jose was acting up through the whole class, and the teacher had no way on controlling him. Its clear she was intimidated, she was a small, bookish woman with no way of talking up for herself. She eventually picked his bookbag up and threw it into the hall telling him to leave. Jose's response was to jump across the room and punch her in the face repeatedly while some of the class cheered him on. I ended up pulling him off her, but I should have been faster. It was a real disgrace. I ended up writing a statement that they used against him. Don't know what happened to him, but the teacher was a wreck after, emotionally more then physically.
 

Loki

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Yeah, I just read the entire study; "mixed bag" is about what I'd call it as well (as regards the larger question of in-school violence). However, the following numbers from that study tend to support what I was saying, which was concerned specifically with student-on-teacher violence (this study doesn't account for other abuse like spitting, cursing etc.):


The 1993-94 Schools and Staffing Survey (US Department of Education, 1997) found that 12 percent of all elementary and secondary school teachers reported being threatened with injury by a student while four percent reported actual attacks. Recent surveys found that 16 percent of teachers had reported being victims of school-related violence in 1998 (Binns & Markow, 1999).

Even ignoring the disparity between these numbers (4% report being attacked in '93 while 16% report being a "victim of school-related violence" in '98, an increase of 12%-- which could be due to methodology, reporting errors etc.; perhaps the latter survey counted "being threatened" as being "a victim of violence", though that'd be odd)-- but even ignoring all this, the number of teachers around the nation who were either threatened with injury by a student or attacked by a student is somewhere between 12-16% (and likely higher since the 1998 survey cited did not report "threat" numbers, which would, in all likelihood, have increased along with the 12% increase in actual violent incidents). Again, keep in mind that in urban areas this number is likely higher, and you'd likely have ~18-20% (if not more) of teachers either being threatened by students or being victims of physical violence.


And I'd not only call that totally unacceptable, I'd call it an epidemic. If one out of every five teachers is treated in such a manner, then something is seriously wrong.


Another thing to keep in mind in general is that this study compared statistics from 1993 (the "peak" year) with those of later years (in certain cases it mentioned its relationship to the levels in the 80's, but this was only for weapons possession-- which, I should note, was not subdivided into knife/gun categories, where there'd be a greater disparity-- and one or two other categories; also, this comparison to early 80's levels was the exception rather than the rule). It did not compare the reported student-on-teacher statistics with those of earlier decades, which was what my entire involvement in this thread was concerned with.


I realize you weren't necessarily contending anything I've said, but I just wanted to note that I was making a more limited point than "violence in schools is increasing" (which is false). My assertion is that "violence and acts of gross incivility against teachers is increasing" (which, according to the 1993 vs. 1998 statistics quoted in the previous excerpt, may very well the case; the study, too, concludes that this is so as illustrated in your citation in the original post).
 

Loki

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Biff Hardbody said:
I saw a teacher get beat up right in front of me when I was in junior high. A kid I knew and who was actually nice to me, I think his name was Jose or Julio is the one who did the deed. We were in science class and it was a sub. Jose was acting up through the whole class, and the teacher had no way on controlling him. Its clear she was intimidated, she was a small, bookish woman with no way of talking up for herself. She eventually picked his bookbag up and threw it into the hall telling him to leave. Jose's response was to jump across the room and punch her in the face repeatedly while some of the class cheered him on. I ended up pulling him off her, but I should have been faster. It was a real disgrace. I ended up writing a statement that they used against him. Don't know what happened to him, but the teacher was a wreck after, emotionally more then physically.

Fucking disgusting. These students should be put in juvenile detention for a good long while for shit like that (given education, but kept segregated from the general student population; it's people like this who disrupt learning). Kid gloves get you nowehere with these ruffians today. Even more telling is the fact that people were cheering him on (though some will say "that's just kids being kids", I'd say no-- that's evidence of people not being raised properly; neither I nor any of my friends have ever cheered on something that reprehensible).

Good for you, Biff. You are an upstanding citizen. :)
 

Ristamar

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Biff Hardbody said:
I saw a teacher get beat up right in front of me when I was in junior high. A kid I knew and who was actually nice to me, I think his name was Jose or Julio is the one who did the deed. We were in science class and it was a sub. Jose was acting up through the whole class, and the teacher had no way on controlling him. Its clear she was intimidated, she was a small, bookish woman with no way of talking up for herself. She eventually picked his bookbag up and threw it into the hall telling him to leave. Jose's response was to jump across the room and punch her in the face repeatedly while some of the class cheered him on. I ended up pulling him off her, but I should have been faster. It was a real disgrace. I ended up writing a statement that they used against him. Don't know what happened to him, but the teacher was a wreck after, emotionally more then physically.

He beat up a female substitute? What a fucking asshole. I hope he gets/got what was coming to him, one way or another.

And as Loki mentioned, kudos for intervening and submitting a written statement.
 
Thanks guys, but I should have ended it way sooner. You could feel it in the air. I remember him getting up and saying "what the fuck did you do that for?" repeatedly, while approaching her. I just observed, but I knew what was going to happen. By the time I yanked his sick ass off her, he had already begun punching her head into the chalkboard, it was sickening. Strange thing is, I feel the class kind of egged him on. I remember people going "OOOhh" when she threw the bookbag and when she spoke back to him. He didn't want to lose face.
 

Neo_ZX

Member
They need to bring back the canes and straps. Parents need to grow spines and beat their kids for doing stupid shit. People have gone to soft and sensitive.
 
Loki said:
Oh I agree too-- but there are far more proportionate responses (shaking yourself free, possibly pushing the teacher to make him release you and then complaining to the principal etc.) than what this kid did.

Teacher must have caught him on a bad day.
 

Loki

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Lemurnator said:
Teacher must have caught him on a bad day.

And if I look at you the wrong way and you beat the shit out of me (all 110 pounds of you- an unlikely proposition :D), do you get a pass on that because you "had a bad day"?


I realize (or at least hope) that you weren't condoning what he did, but still-- I'm just saying... :)
 

KiNeSiS

Banned
My F*cking Grandpa said:
came to school 8th period today just so I could hand in an essay, and there was an ambulance outside.

Apparently the macro-economics teacher had asked a kid who was standing outside school smoking a cigarette for his schedule to see if he was cutting. The kid ignored him and started walking away, so the teacher grabbed his arm. The kid fucking choke-holds the teacher, punches him a few times until he falls over. Then he STAMPS ALL OVER HIS FACE. That's the most prevelant rumor anyway...I heard a wide range of stories within the next half hour.

This kid was a senior. It was the last day of the term, the last important day of his highschool career. Now he's expelled. How fucking STUPID CAN YOU BE?

Bronx Science is going to shit.

Thats what he gets for grabbing the kid!
 

Crow357

Member
Never would have happened when I went to HS. We were all still afraid of what our parents would do to us when the school called to find out what was going on. :lol
 
I do remember when I was in 8th grade, two of my teachers (both Phys Ed. teachers) got into a fist fight :lol

The crappiest thing about that was I was home that day because I was sick.

But isn't basically a given that a teacher cannot touch a student in a situation like this? Not saying the teacher deserved what happened to him, but I'm pretty sure that the teacher should have known that.
 

Loki

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soundwave05 said:
I do remember when I was in 8th grade, two of my teachers (both Phys Ed. teachers) got into a fist fight :lol

The crappiest thing about that was I was home that day because I was sick.

But isn't basically a given that a teacher cannot touch a student in a situation like this? Not saying the teacher deserved what happened to him, but I'm pretty sure that the teacher should have known that.

Yes, the teacher was wrong for putting his hands on the student in any way; this isn't legal afaik. The more pressing question is who was MORE wrong-- that is, did his merely grabbing the students arm merit the sort of response the student had? I'd say no, it did not-- not by a longshot. It's similar to how if you were fighting with me and I shot you, I'd (rightly) get in far more trouble than you would unless I could show that my life was in danger. It's all about commensurate responses to situations.
 

Tazznum1

Member
Meh....my brother beat up his teacher in front of me. She wanted to tell me something about what my brother did at school that day.



She never told me.
:lol I mean :|
 

Kave_Man

come in my shame circle
Neo_ZX said:
They need to bring back the canes and straps. Parents need to grow spines and beat their kids for doing stupid shit. People have gone to soft and sensitive.

Damn right, a good beating has taught me many valuable lessons.
 

Tazznum1

Member
There is no reason for any person to put their hands on you unless it's the cops. Or unless you are threatening them with force.
 

DarthWoo

I'm glad Grandpa porked a Chinese Muslim
I recall a female teacher (whom I had for Math Analysis - the boring as hell precursor to calculus and cause for having to buy a $100 calculator in 10th grade) back in my high school who tried to break up some catfight and ended up getting her glasses broken. Don't know what happened to the girls, but I can't imagine it was lenient.

Supposedly, there was an incident when one of the snack vending machines (the ones with the glass facade and the little spiral things that rotate and drop the product down) was smashed open, so my AP Bio teacher had to stand in front of it and prevent people from taking things. She's kind of a little old lady (sort of, although her hair isn't all gray yet), so that was an amusing thing to picture.
 
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