kpopSuperstar
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I didn't say it was solved, I said it says on the wiki that they detected gasses. Go and read it yourself, it strongly hints at natural causes.
Age of Disclosure (UFO/UAP documentary) in theaters/streaming Nov 21st
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Thurible
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I once took a psychology course at an accredited university where the professor explained how she believed psychic phenomenon was real and came from a part of the brain called the pineal gland. It was a honestly a bizarre experience that she was allowed to teach something that was pseudoscience at best.
I've also worked with a math teacher who honestly told me that he believed dragons were real and were just time displaced dinosaurs. When I asked him how that would even be possible as there would be physical and historical evidence, he just told me to watch Joe Rogan.
At a museum I worked at, the director insisted to me that positive and negative ions played an important role in one's physical and mental health. She believed in something called "grounding" where a person is supposed to place their bare feet on the floor to get rid of negative ions/energy to balance yourself. She asserted that it was real and based in science despite obviously not being much different from the defunct humor theory (just got to balance the humors/ions). Ions are real but only in the sense that they are charged atoms that receive a positive or negative charge from gaining or losing an electron. They have absolutely nothing to do with mental or physical health. Also just because they have the word "positive" or "negative" in the name does not mean they have anything to do with what is good or bad.
I've learned that just because someone comes from a position of authority and may even be intelligent in some areas does not mean that they cannot act ridiculously or believe in something outlandish. People can be foolish regardless of their stature. Just because someone high up believes extraterrestrials are real and that ufos are alien spacecrafts does not make the claim legitimate. As it currently stands, there is no actual proof that extraterrestrials exist or that we have been visited by them. Trusting the word of "ufologists" based on their conjectures and theories on what is simply missing information on the subject of currently unknown or misunderstood phenomena is not a great idea, even if they have some sort of credentials. Why should I believe that extraterrestrials are responsible for ufos when the more likely alternative is that they are simply man-made objects or just normal earth bound things we don't fully understand yet? Why should I trust someone who is likely biased in their way of thinking and cannot give me empirical evidence of extraterrestrial life? I just don't see why I or anyone else should listen to someone claiming UFOs are alien spacecraft given the lack of evidence even if they had some "good" credentials.
Romulus
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Well I mean some of them are literal planes and lights, that's not the point.
Insane Metal
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Found this interesting but I really can't avoid rolling my eyes when they say they retrieved non human bodies and are reverse engineering alien tech. I need some evidence to believe stuff like this. There is absolutely no way actual aliens were involved in accidents and we possess alien tech and nothing ever came out, in almost a century.
Romulus
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How would you know nothing came out of these discoveries?
But it could be much longer too. This could take a thousand years to reverse engineer.
I don't think people realize that it's absolutely nothing to be a million years ahead of humanity. That's literally a blink of an eye cosmically.
If it's true, the idea that they're within a few hundred years of us is insanely convenient.
kpopSuperstar
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They are just people, and there are hundred of thousands of them, it's not anything special, hell, the top UFO names right now come from government positions, and they are not credible at all.
When Grusch came forward, everyone said this was it, it will get exposed within 6 months. Years later and nothing has happened, and Grusch has been shown to be a UFO nut who went around telling tall tales way before he became public.
kpopSuperstar
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Another important part to this, is the humanoid and saucer descriptions, which make no sense. Because most of it is adopted from popular media.
People still claim human looking grey aliens in encounters, because they seen it on tv and made a mental image of it, yet that image is a construction of early alien fantasy shows. Aliens sitting in some metal saucer flying around looking at humans is so stupid.
It's the same thing with vikings or greeks, the mental image of it is created by hollywood through media, and it has become the norm because it's the dominant exposure for people.
All the alien species are just versions of humans, its so obviously nonsense.
People still claim human looking grey aliens in encounters, because they seen it on tv and made a mental image of it, yet that image is a construction of early alien fantasy shows. Aliens sitting in some metal saucer flying around looking at humans is so stupid.
It's the same thing with vikings or greeks, the mental image of it is created by hollywood through media, and it has become the norm because it's the dominant exposure for people.
All the alien species are just versions of humans, its so obviously nonsense.
Romulus
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Prove it.
Romulus
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You're confusing 2 different things. Media and bs are not the same as fighter pilots and radar operators seeing the same objects and reporting them to command. Massive investigations that never explained them.
Sea level to 80,000ft in 2 seconds on radar. You think that's human? Look up the tic tac event and tell me how half a dozen operators were all lying. Those are considered expert witnesses, those are people at the level that could have you proven guilty in a murder trail.
The point, there is bullshit, lots of it, but there are also things we can't explain even with our military equipment. Both can be true.
You're doing a similar thing you did with the Hessdalen situation. "Scientist said gases, must be gases." You're brain is not recognizing variance and actual unknowns because you either want to believe everything is explainable because you're secretly afraid. Or you're being very intentional with your blanket statements trying to fool people who won't call you on it.
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Maybe this
Roswell crash - July 8, 1947
Transistor invented - December 16, 1947
bighugeguns
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Watched it, so there's aliens, cool beans.
Liljagare
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Most of theese lasted for a short while, in the 50's. Just google your list yourself. They were shut down, they didn't find anytihng.
Where are the countries now spending dollars on precisely UFO programs? There are some, spending money on UAP surveillance.
Btw, Sweden has no UFO investigations program, Denmark neither, and Hessdalen the lights have been found a ionized lightning, made possible by the wind currents in the area moving through the fjords at high speeds, the observations can be explained by an electrochemical model for the ball-lightning phenomenon.
Also, did you even peek at this?
I really wish that the X73 program would be publicly announced. Tons of stuff can be explained by the B2, it produces plasma lights over the wing tips at max speed, in a triangle fashion. Just wait until you see what the very man made X73B does.
This is man made stuff, has the signatures all over.. Light weight Atmospheric vehicles.
Barely audible at ground level,
This is the stuff from decades ago that the military lets you see, but, naw "aliens".
"You remember that big UFO scare in New Jersey last year? Well, that was us"
White House says most New Jersey drones were authorized by FAA: 'This was not the enemy'
Residents in New Jersey were concerned over the large amount of mysterious drones that flew above their homes, sparking conspiracy theories about the source.
What people are seeing in the skies over the US, Britain, and the Netherlands are military X programs, military drones, military X vehicles, not anything alien related.
Lookup F-47, SR-91, TR-3A Black Manta. No Aliens are needed.
A jet moving in one direction, then, it is not. In the 60's. Imagine what top secret frames can do nowadays.
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INC
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As much as I'm a believer, I dont trust anything from these officials.
And nowadays its impossible to tell what's fake or real. So anything pre 90s footage wise I'll buy into
Like this old concord footage, not saying its alien, but certainly an odd video
Lens flare....maybe
And nowadays its impossible to tell what's fake or real. So anything pre 90s footage wise I'll buy into
Like this old concord footage, not saying its alien, but certainly an odd video
Lens flare....maybe
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Romulus
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Most of theese lasted for a short while, in the 50's. Just google your list yourself. They were shut down, they didn't find anytihng.
Where are the countries now spending dollars on precisely UFO programs? There are some, spending money on UAP surveillance.
Btw, Sweden has no UFO investigations program, Denmark neither, and Hessdalen was a marsh, and the lights weren't moving at all..
Also, did you even peek at this?
I really wish that the X73 program would be publicly announced. Tons of stuff can be explained by the B2, it produces plasma lights over the wing tips at max speed, in a triangle fashion. Just wait until you see what the very man made X73B does.
This is man made stuff, has the signatures all over.. Light weight Atmospheric vehicles.
Barely audible at ground level,
This is the stuff from decades ago that the military lets you see, but, naw "aliens".
"You remember that big UFO scare in New Jersey last year? Well, that was us"
White House says most New Jersey drones were authorized by FAA: 'This was not the enemy'
Residents in New Jersey were concerned over the large amount of mysterious drones that flew above their homes, sparking conspiracy theories about the source.www.nbcnews.com
Seems like you don't leave any room for any thing outside of "humans are awesome and made everything." You're funneling every view to a few videos that explain some and pasting them as 'all.' It's a very typical mindset for skeptics. Metabunk types that don't think outside their little box.
The same way you cherry picked "some ufo programs aren't active." Right, like they're all broadcasted presently. You know many come out years later.
Hessdalen is just stationary lights? So you, a random gaf user, figured out what a university and decades of study couldn't? Sooo typical. They're still studying them now.
I mean I can take one example and look at it for 5 seconds and tell you're not thinking on a deep level at all:
Mind blown that more people are reporting US UFO sightings to a US based organization than the rest of the world.
This is like saying "Flat Earth skeptics....what are they trying to hide?!?!?!?"
Trying to 'disprove' aliens is just trying to prove a negative. There is no actual hard evidence, it's all heresay, 'reports', 'witness statements' etc. No one can actually hold up an alien skull on live TV, zoom around on a gravity defying craft, or any of it. I want to believe as much as the next guy but after years and years....nothing, nada, bupkis.
Liljagare
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Name the programs that are active?
In Norway, we have figured the lights out, sorry that you still believe that there are Aliens involved. The older tradition is that the giant Trolls from the mountains run the place. You should see the movies, Troll, https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11116912/?ref_=fn_t_1,, and Troll 2, https://www.imdb.com/title/tt29232158/
I mean, you do realize that none of us over here think there are aliens in the sky, right? Very few, believe that the last few wierd sky lights are anything but military programs.
Again, https://nuforc.org/map/
And, yes, sorry, but the Hessdalen lights were explained decades aco. I guess your AI needs to learn Norwegian or Swedish.
"– Det här är ett elektromagnetiskt fenomen. Ett fysiskt fenomen som är knutet till grundförhållandena i dalen, att det finns plasma i marken, säger Bjørn Gitle Hauge som är forskningsledare i Hessdalen."
Hur länge har ljusfenomenen varit kända?
– Vi började forska på fenomenet runt 1982 och 1983. Men den äldsta rapporten om fenomenen är från 1800-talet, säger Bjørn Gitle Hauge."
Sorry to burst your bubble, but we have no Aliens over here in the skies or on the ground.
Apart from N__________TO troops.
Again, name your sources over here, that claim that those lights are UFO's? Or Aliens?
Nobody over here think those lights are UFO's or Aliens. The only ones who do are US freaky basement dwellers.
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Romulus
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Name the programs that are active?
In Norway, we have figured the lights out, sorry that you still believe that there are Aliens involved. The older tradition is that the giant Trolls from the mountains run the place. You should see the movies, Troll, https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11116912/?ref_=fn_t_1,, and Troll 2, https://www.imdb.com/title/tt29232158/
I mean, you do realize that none of us over here think there are aliens in the sky, right? Very few, believe that the last few wierd sky lights are anything but military programs.
Again, https://nuforc.org/map/
And, yes, sorry, but the Hessdalen lights were explained decades aco. I guess your AI needs to learn Norwegian or Swedish.
"– Det här är ett elektromagnetiskt fenomen. Ett fysiskt fenomen som är knutet till grundförhållandena i dalen, att det finns plasma i marken, säger Bjørn Gitle Hauge som är forskningsledare i Hessdalen."
Hur länge har ljusfenomenen varit kända?
– Vi började forska på fenomenet runt 1982 och 1983. Men den äldsta rapporten om fenomenen är från 1800-talet, säger Bjørn Gitle Hauge."
Sorry to burst your bubble, but we have no Aliens over here in the skies or on the ground.
Apart from N__________TO troops.
Bizarre unhinged rant but funny.
Come On Tars
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All this shit is so fake and gay
kpopSuperstar
Member
Fighter pilots and radar detect unknown readings all the time.
Stop with the Hessdalen thing, everything we know about it points to physical anamolies produced by some unknown natural event in the atmosphere.
We don't know enough about what is being detected, but so far we have zero evidence that it's anything beyond hearsay, false readings, lightshows, military exercises and drones.
Like the entire New Jersey drone event, or the recent russian airport drones, all of it was reported as UFOs by the UFO community. They make things up all the time because they want to believe so badly.
The only thing you are leaning on is that everyone is scared and stupid, but you, you have figured it out, because you watched the Nimitz footage.
Romulus
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Funny how in every single scenario it always lines up to what you want to believe. You've continually proven you don't care about outliners or facts, you just want to paste debunks that are unrelated across the board.
4 fighter pilots, radar operator, sonar operators all tracking the same object that just so happen to be wrong in every case? Right. Entire investigations opened over them that were never solved and daily briefings warning pilots to stay out of their operational zones.... for no reason? Right. This has happened all over the world. Look up the Belguim UFO wave or Peru, Iranian, its not new or uncommon. Foo fighters in WW2. You're telling me every case every professional is always wrong because its aligns with your fear? Unlikely.
Hessdalen? You can't even keep your story straight there at all. An entire team studied it for years but random neogaf guy so some comment about one instance of it being gas=most be all gases!
Again, you just taking softball pitches and pasting them across every scenario, that's not how science or open minds work. I have no idea what you're saying about being scared or stupid. Makes no sense.
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HRK69
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I've been following this subject for decades, and there is absolutely zero convincing evidence out there
Over the years, we've seen countless sightings, some with credible witnesses, but nothing has held up under scrutiny. It seems like every new piece of 'evidence' just raises more questions than it answers, and yet we're still no closer to finding something definitive
Romulus
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I've been following this subject for decades, and there is absolutely zero convincing evidence out there
Over the years, we've seen countless sightings, some with credible witnesses, but nothing has held up under scrutiny. It seems like every new piece of 'evidence' just raises more questions than it answers, and yet we're still no closer to finding something definitive
What scrutiny over the tic tac event or Belguim ufo wave? I haven't seen a shred of compelling evidence against the multitude of facts.
Sure you can attack one aspect "debunker said it was a drone" etc but then you have to purposely ignore all the other facts just to protect your view.
Alot of this is about feelings, not facts. Because people go completely silent once you bring up what actually happened.
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Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
When it comes to UFO's there is healthy skepticism or dogmatic denial. I think our friend is the latter. Most people are afraid of their world view being questioned. The existential threat is too much.
Trogdor1123
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Come on man. Zero evidence? Sure, most of it is complete garbage I agree but to say there is zero is kinda silly and completely skips over huge amounts of stuff
I've been following this subject for decades, and there is absolutely zero convincing evidence out there
Over the years, we've seen countless sightings, some with credible witnesses, but nothing has held up under scrutiny. It seems like every new piece of 'evidence' just raises more questions than it answers, and yet we're still no closer to finding something definitive
HRK69
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If there was undeniable proof, we'd have it by now. The fact we don't means the evidence we have doesn't hold up under scrutiny. 'Zero evidence' is the only logical conclusion based on what's available
I'd love to see you present solid evidence. Show me something that stands up to scrutiny and doesn't fall apart under analysis.
Until then, we're just chasing shadows like this man:
Spare me the philosophical high ground
Its not 'existential threat,' it's just mental gymnastics to avoid facing the fact that you've bought into a story with zero proof. You're so deep in your own narrative that questioning it feels like a personal attack. This isn't about being brave enough to entertain new ideas, it's about being too scared to confront the reality that your beliefs are built on nothing but empty air
At some point, pretending to be enlightened just makes you look delusional
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
I wasn't referring to you but if the shoe fits. I'm not sure what's more impressive your straw manning or your projection. Undeniable proof isn't necessary to entertain the possibility. So people who entertain the idea of extraterrestrials existing are scared that they might not? You got me my whole world view will crumble if they don't really exist
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HRK69
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Well, you quoted a post that was clearly quoting me. Not sure who else it was intended for
You have no idea what 'straw manning' or 'projection' means, but I'm definitely not doing either
I'm just pointing out that the entire belief system is built on empty air
Would you look at that, accusing me of straw manning while you're busy doing the exact same thing. Classic.So people who entertain the idea of extraterrestrials existing are scared that they might not? You got me my whole world view will crumble if they don't really exist
Undeniable proof isn't needed to entertain the possibility, but if you base your beliefs on speculation with no evidence, that's where the issue is. Its about recognizing that you're clinging to an idea with no real foundation.
You've got a nice deflection going, but the real issue is still the same: no evidence, no foundation. But keep playing the game if it makes you feel better.
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Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
There is evidence it's just not undeniable and you definitely were straw manning and projecting. People who don't believe are the ones whose world view would shatter because the default position is we're alone. On the other hand those of us who believe or entertain the idea will simply shrug if there were undeniable proof of extraterrestrials not existing but that proof will never come because there will always be things which we can not explain.
Anyways this is getting too Meta and off topic. I don't know what to tell you other than maybe a little introspection is in order. Ask yourself honestly why you are so vehemently opposed to the idea of extraterrestrials I'm sure you already know the answer
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HRK69
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Really? There's 'evidence' of aliens?
Your 'evidence' is just a bunch of 'maybe's and 'could be's, not solid proof.
Please explain to me where I was straw manning and projecting. I'm very curious.
The funny thing is, I'm not 'opposed' to the idea
I just see it for what it is: a fantasy. At this point aliens visiting earth are about as real as Santa Claus. You can keep convincing yourself otherwise, but it doesn't make it true
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I wouldn't say that. Santa is a made up myth. The chances of there being other life in the universe is high. In fact, there is more chance of there being other life in our own galaxy than the chances of Earth being the only planet with life.
Intelligent life however is probably very rare. Intelligent life that has the ability for interstellar travel would be incredibly rare, however the chances of them existing or even visiting earth wouldn't be a mathematical or physical impossibility. Santa would be because we made him up.
I love history and do a lot of historical studies, but sometimes when I need a break from 15th century French politics, I'll take a deep dive into UAP history (we're calling them UAPs now, right?). I do this because I'm probably having a mid-life crisis and just love getting lost down the rabbit hole. Most of my historical digging came from the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) as I'm in the UK and their files were made public. A lot of the stuff could be easily explained away as mistaken identity or an unreliable witness, but some of the reports are very credible and remain unexplained.
As a bit of a sceptic, what I'm looking for in these cases is multiple credible witnesses seeing the same thing, and I've only found that with very few (I haven't been through it all), but still the Rendlesham Forest Incident of 1980, which happened near and RAF base, remains in my eyes the most credible and unexplained event in the UK. Not only do we have a number of credible witnesses, but the US Lieutenant Colonel Charles I. Halt made a recording of when his men went out to investigate (Linked below if you've never heard it before). The MoD couldn't explain it and as it didn't appear a threat, they didn't really bother looking into it (that's the official line anyway)
Do I believe they're aliens? I don't know. It wouldn't be impossible, but without any very clear evidence, it's really not right just to say "yep. 100% aliens". I'm one of those people that can't say it's aliens, but can't rule it out either. I'm firmly on the fence.
Romulus
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I've already expanded on it.
This video does maybe 70% of the job.
"Secret military craft" is the only argument I would entertain that isn't some unexplained phenomena, but even then that makes zero sense looking at the facts of what happened. It would mean we have technology from 30+ years ago that can go underwater and can accelerate beyond speeds that would cause metals to literally fly apart. And the zig zag of G-forces would kill a pilot, so it would need to be a drone. And also have some way of no visual propulsion system. So literally the laws of physics as we know it don't make sense and all the UAP sightings that were similar from decades before are also somehow false from entire squadrons reporting them since WW2 from different nations.
There's no way to put all that in a box as bs or "secret military craft." It just doesn't fit.
So either every single person is lying and its a giant coordinated hoax that's multinational with pro ufo hoaxers that have infiltrated all world governments since ww2 just to fuck with you or there's more to it. But some will seek out and tell you that everything is a hoax no matter what. They can't pivot from that despite not even knowing most of the cases. Can you imagine forming an opinion on something so vast and you don't even know 80% of information?
That's the situation we're in with this phenomena.
Do you know that there was a mass event of egg shaped objects that flew over a football game in the early 1950s and left behind tons of residue that was studied, thousands of people saw it and the explanation was spiderwebs? Literally the best explanation was that everyone was confused and spiders were leaving traces of webs in such volume that it caused mass hysteria.
4 mysterious UFO sightings that are still unexplained - BBC Science Focus Magazine
Some UFO sightings can be explained away – but we still don't know the truth behind these ones.
www.sciencefocus.com
These objects were reported in 2 Italian cities weeks apart and the same glittery substance was found in both places and was also reported years year in France with a craft that dozens saw. The glittery substance covered the trees for almost an hour.
This is just one example. Now, we can go and believe mass spider webs or that everyone was lying, but the bigger picture here is that people that always align with their previous views. It's rare that someone can say "hm, maybe there is more to this that I don't know." No, they'll fight to protect it and always pick the option that aligns with hyper skepticism that this is just all one big misunderstanding , and this case, spider webs and mass hysteria are the poison you have to swallow for that to be true.
Another one, but I can keep going.
Radar data and visual by pilots and people all over the ground for YEARS. The investigating General:
And yet again, the description of their jerky movements aligns with the 2004 encounters above in the USA. So, is there just some secret military crew that likes flying worldwide to fuck with militaries all over the planet? Because it happened in Peru, Iran, Brazil, all throughout WW2 on ALL sides of the war it was reported and called "Foo fighters."
The main thing that changes over time is our excuse. As time moves along we pivot to whoever the technological apex is. In ww2, it was "german secret tech." As in the Belgum video they were wondering if was the Americans. Now? It's "Russian/china" drones. Constant pivoting to protect our fragility.
The point is, this has been going on a looooong time and its consistency ignored. It's not that we have a alien ship on time square to touch and go inside, its the overarching trend all over the world and the incredible effort to downplay it. Spiderwebs and swamp gas!
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EverythingsOverrated
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A friend of mine recently asked if I had watched this yet, I haven't. From what he was relaying to me, it sounds like the same ole same ole that we've been hearing from all these "whistleblowers" the last 7-8 years. Doesn't surprise me, I listened to a good portion of the producer on Rogan, I think I'll pass for now. The constant "trust me bro" shit has gotten old.
Golgo 13
The Man With The Golden Dong
Wow this thread got weird fast! I watched the Doc. Pretty good; entertaining and informative in some ways, but I'm always left wondering "How much selective editing is going on here?" as is the case with all docs.
Also sad that Rubio is publically trying to walk back some of the things he said in the documentary, but oh well!
Also sad that Rubio is publically trying to walk back some of the things he said in the documentary, but oh well!
Romulus
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You could literally make another thread dedicated to the WW2 events. The counterargument is that "everyone was tired" or "weather events misjudged." So entire squadrons were just "wrong" all over the world reporting the same behaviors and visuals of these objects.
Btw, there was no "flying saucer" term when this started.
Btw, there was no "flying saucer" term when this started.
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HRK69
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This video does 100% of the job of proving you're way off the mark. But hey, at least you're trying, right?
This video kicks off with the infamous 'Pyramid UFO,' which has already been debunked. What you're actually seeing is just bokeh, nothing more
They also show the Gimball clip. Same story, easily explained and already debunked multiple times on Reddit and other platforms. This isn't evidence of anything
The linked video itself shows you're clearly not informed, so I don't see any point in engaging with the rest of the post. It's just more of the same
Oh, and everything else is still a far cry from solid evidence
At least you didnt post this one:
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
As far as I'm aware, the US DoDs current UAP investigative body (AARO) continue to classify that event as unexplained.
A lot of the debunks online make sense, but the US government has more intelligent people looking into this than your average Reddit user, plus they would have access to far more data to make a conclusion. I'm talking about classifed military data that wouldn't be made public.
Currently, it's just another unexplained event and hasn't been officially debunked.
Again, I want to stress that I'm not saying it was an alien craft, only officially it's still a mystery.
Romulus
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You're doing the typical thing of taking one thing that is fake and pasting it across the meat of my real point. You're just looking for a way to be dismissive about one aspect with the typical metabunk mindset. I know Brokeh and Gimbal debunks like the back of my hand but you're missing the entire point. Even if gimbal didn't show "omg little green men!!!!" that's not what it IS showing. Unbelievable. Can you not make the connection here? The videos prove there was an object there. That is the point, now we're left to believe that "everyone is in on huge a hoax" about its performance. Do you not see how absurd that is? That means every single pilot is lying and also the report of the radar and sonar performance are also somehow false.
"Far cry from evidence." Right, do you not have a brain that is sees patterns? Yes, you do. The idea that vastly different cultures have just "manufactured" all this over decades just to fuck with you is absolutely ridiculous.
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Romulus
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One of the most interesting aspects in this video was George Bush's cabinet guy is in the film. On the record he admitted they were going to tell the world there is intelligent life in the universe. But it was right after 911 and the presidency felt it was a bad time to reveal it when the country was coming together. They felt the economic and religious aspect was a problem with what was going on.
This was years ago, but his reaction to the ufo question is a stance. A strong one. "I ain't telling you nothing" Is fucking revealing as hell. He could have easily shrugged this off or dismissed it and he didn't. Not "proof" of course but I've always thought his reaction was overly strong considering how specific the question was.
This was years ago, but his reaction to the ufo question is a stance. A strong one. "I ain't telling you nothing" Is fucking revealing as hell. He could have easily shrugged this off or dismissed it and he didn't. Not "proof" of course but I've always thought his reaction was overly strong considering how specific the question was.
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Nocty
Currently Steaming
last 7 to 8 years?
Man I use to listen to these fucking clowns on coast to coast in the 80's nigga lmao this isn't new shit, bullshitters been bullshiting for eons.
It's all about money. IF they really gave a shit this 'documentary' would have been free and not on paywall.
The only difference between now and Art Bell's time is the crazy bullshitters are in all levels of society now including government.
EverythingsOverrated
Member
I mean specifically the batch that has been parading around since the Nimitz thing went public in that NY Times article. This weird government sponsored disclosure movement that started with Tom Delonge and his company and was transferred fully to the "Lue Crew" is obviously a massive psy op.
Nocty
Currently Steaming
EverythingsOverrated
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My bad lol. Respect
NGL this was me reading your post but ey I think you are right probably
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I've already expanded on it.
This video does maybe 70% of the job.
"Secret military craft" is the only argument I would entertain that isn't some unexplained phenomena, but even then that makes zero sense looking at the facts of what happened. It would mean we have technology from 30+ years ago that can go underwater and can accelerate beyond speeds that would cause metals to literally fly apart. And the zig zag of G-forces would kill a pilot, so it would need to be a drone. And also have some way of no visual propulsion system. So literally the laws of physics as we know it don't make sense and all the UAP sightings that were similar from decades before are also somehow false from entire squadrons reporting them since WW2 from different nations.
There's no way to put all that in a box as bs or "secret military craft." It just doesn't fit.
So either every single person is lying and its a giant coordinated hoax that's multinational with pro ufo hoaxers that have infiltrated all world governments since ww2 just to fuck with you or there's more to it. But some will seek out and tell you that everything is a hoax no matter what. They can't pivot from that despite not even knowing most of the cases. Can you imagine forming an opinion on something so vast and you don't even know 80% of information?
That's the situation we're in with this phenomena.
Do you know that there was a mass event of egg shaped objects that flew over a football game in the early 1950s and left behind tons of residue that was studied, thousands of people saw it and the explanation was spiderwebs? Literally the best explanation was that everyone was confused and spiders were leaving traces of webs in such volume that it caused mass hysteria.
4 mysterious UFO sightings that are still unexplained - BBC Science Focus Magazine
Some UFO sightings can be explained away – but we still don't know the truth behind these ones.
These objects were reported in 2 Italian cities weeks apart and the same glittery substance was found in both places and was also reported years year in France with a craft that dozens saw. The glittery substance covered the trees for almost an hour.
This is just one example. Now, we can go and believe mass spider webs or that everyone was lying, but the bigger picture here is that people that always align with their previous views. It's rare that someone can say "hm, maybe there is more to this that I don't know." No, they'll fight to protect it and always pick the option that aligns with hyper skepticism that this is just all one big misunderstanding , and this case, spider webs and mass hysteria are the poison you have to swallow for that to be true.
Another one, but I can keep going.
Radar data and visual by pilots and people all over the ground for YEARS. The investigating General:
And yet again, the description of their jerky movements aligns with the 2004 encounters above in the USA. So, is there just some secret military crew that likes flying worldwide to fuck with militaries all over the planet? Because it happened in Peru, Iran, Brazil, all throughout WW2 on ALL sides of the war it was reported and called "Foo fighters."
The main thing that changes over time is our excuse. As time moves along we pivot to whoever the technological apex is. In ww2, it was "german secret tech." As in the Belgum video they were wondering if was the Americans. Now? It's "Russian/china" drones. Constant pivoting to protect our fragility.
The point is, this has been going on a looooong time and its consistency ignored. It's not that we have a alien ship on time square to touch and go inside, its the overarching trend all over the world and the incredible effort to downplay it. Spiderwebs and swamp gas!
People are stating to take it more seriously. We need to move away from the more wild claims of "it must be aliens" and really do some studies into what these things are. Thankfully, we're heading in that direction.
These researchers say they have serious questions about UFOs, aliens
A group of researchers wants to make the study of UFOs an academic discipline. Experts call them unidentified anomalous phenomena, or UAPs.
eu.usatoday.com
lol
Before the NYT leak, everyone was saying that governments (mainly the US) are covering up evidence of UFOS.
As soon as the US government starts to open it, people now claim it's a psy op.
Love it.
Personally, I think people who started the claim that this is a psy op are working for the US government. The psy op is actually to make people think it's a psy op. Then if they get any more leaks, people will just think it's a psy op. Brilliant plan if you ask me.