AI’s impact on gaming has me angry and depressed.

You heard it here first, folks! If there's something in the outside world you don't like, just ignore it! Just take these magnificent, intelligent ostrichs as an example. Bury your head in the sand and hope it's all over just by itself at some point. Nothing bad ever came from this behaviour, it works 100% of the time. You silly people, just stay passive and obedient. Duh!

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Seems like you cry, scream and shout daily about things in the world that you have no control over. Hope that is working out for you. Sane people focus their energy on what they *can* control.
 
Seems like you cry, scream and shout daily about things in the world that you have no control over. Hope that is working out for you. Sane people focus their energy on what they *can* control.
If you really feel that powerless and think you have no control whatsoever, I don't know what to tell you.

Thank god there's still capable men (and women) out there that sacrifice their time and energy for others in order to shape the world into a better place for everyone.
 
If you really feel that powerless and think you have no control whatsoever, I don't know what to tell you.

Thank god there's still capable men (and women) out there that sacrifice their time and energy for others in order to shape the world into a better place for everyone.
You believe the TS has power in affecting AI in gaming? Please enlighten me how.
 
You believe the TS has power in affecting AI in gaming? Please enlighten me how.
One good ruling could illegalize the structured theft that is generative AI, if only people could find their balls.
These greedy, manipulative companies trying to weaponize "AI" could be stopped with simple boycotts and divestments.
These entertainment companies trying to force this shit down our throats are stopped dead the instant we close our wallets.

The first two are dicey, but number three's already working. People are actually sick of this soulless slop, and are rebelling. I'm feeling a little proud of my fellow humans, not gonna lie.

Thank god there's still capable men (and women) out there that sacrifice their time and energy for others in order to shape the world into a better place for everyone.

Yep, that's what this (faux) AI nonsense is meant to kill: peoples' drive and ability to create. "What's the point?" is literally what they want you to think. It's working on an alarming number of people. Most people who are pro-AI are almost religious with it: "It's inevitable. There's nothing you can do." etc. etc.

I mean, are they listening to themselves? It's a very NPC way to "think."
 
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Ah crap, i'll tell the devastating news to the staff in our Monday meeting. It's gonna be a hard investors meeting...
It will be, because when the bubble pops (and it will), your investors are going to be crying a lot of salty tears. Products very rarely get to be sold to "no one." They're sold to people. And people are already getting wise to just how foolish this fad truly is. I have no sympathy for "investors" who didn't read the writing on the wall and listen to peoples' growing disdain for a product that's meant to replace them and reduce the collective intelligence. A lot of people deserve to lose their money.

This fake "artificial intelligence" fad (which is nothing more than data scraping and copy-pasting) has nothing of actual value to offer. It's just a surprisingly tiny circle, a small number of companies, desperately trying to push the Next Big Thing (tm) and trying to force its implementation by pressuring supremely ignorant people into believing we have no choice but to embrace it Because China.

But people have embraced it, only to find out that it's a nothing-burger at best, and actually harmful the rest of the time.
 
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One good ruling could illegalize the structured theft that is generative AI, if only people could find their balls.
These greedy, manipulative companies trying to weaponize "AI" could be stopped with simple boycotts and divestments.
These entertainment companies trying to force this shit down our throats are stopped dead the instant we close our wallets.

The first two are dicey, but number three's already working. People are actually sick of this soulless slop, and are rebelling. I'm feeling a little proud of my fellow humans, not gonna lie.



Yep, that's what this (faux) AI nonsense is meant to kill: peoples' drive and ability to create. "What's the point?" is literally what they want you to think. It's working on an alarming number of people. Most people who are pro-AI are almost religious with it: "It's inevitable. There's nothing you can do." etc. etc.

I mean, are they listening to themselves? It's a very NPC way to "think."

GenAI is simply a form of automation, it automates work, which means the demand for certain jobs shifts to others. Are you also against conveyor belts, or robotics in cars manufacturing, or robots doing order picking in warehouses?

Lets bring it closer to home. In gaming, are you also against procedural generation, or companies using the unreal engine? Or maybe you're just only against GenAI, because that's the cool uninformed rebel thing to do right now.
 
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I'm kinda blaise about it all nowadays. My 3090 is still holding its own after the I refused to bow to the stupid 50 series pricing. Couple that with the PS5Pro I bought last year so the kids could nick the normal PS5, I'll be happy with my massive backlog across those platforms. Might even play some switch 1 games at some point.
 
AI has huge potential to make game dev faster and cheaper, ofc like with all other tools it has to be used in a smart way.
Hard to say when will be the time AI becomes smarter from human and puts our species in danger, big fan of terminator and matrix here so obviously not a fan of such future for humans, but thats separate topic to AI in games :P
 
Airships were seen as the future, until it weren't. Never say never.

The tech isn't going away unless we get WW3, but a lot can happen and that would depend on many factors.

The already niche-technical applications of Machine Learning will certainly keep being used even if something extraordinary happens that makes people stop using Generative AI.
Modern LLM's that power today's AI are the practical technical application of machine learning. Characterizing machine learning as niche in any way is outdated thinking. At least two years outdated.

Generative AI is now mainstream product technology and the industry has moved on to thinking and reasoning models that are driving agentic AI. AI agents are using machine learning and generative AI to do real work. There is absolutely nothing niche about the current state of AI. The technology is being used to improve itself at an insane pace. The pace of investment may slow down, but the technology isn't going anywhere.
 
Nice, comparing how a human being think to a clanker of one and zero, next you npcs are gonna give this sexbot a human rights or something
The coolest thing from this recent AI boom is the insight into how we 'think' and it's pretty clear that it isn't that different to how these AI operate.
I remember being intrigued by AI back in the late 90s and reading a bunch of AI books. Back then there was a lot of discussion about things like how do you define 'a chair' so that you can program a set of rules that allow an AI to say that's a chair when it sees one. Which was all wrong, because we don't operate like that.
AI has been able to become creative so quickly and so impressively precisely because we also regurgitate variations of what other people have done and other things we have seen.
Here is an AI image of a chair made out of stained glass - the AI wasn't creating a chair based on rules of 4 legs, a back etc but just iterating until it had an image that matched the fuzzy idea of a chair and the fuzzy idea of stained glass.
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GenAI is simply a form of automation, it automates work, which means the demand for certain jobs shifts to others. Are you also against conveyor belts, or robotics in cars manufacturing, or robots doing order picking in warehouses?

I can see where your coming from. However, AI will be far more disruptive to jobs than the industrial revolution or the introduction of robotics. AI has the ability to automate and replace more jobs than it creates. Warehouses, factories, office jobs like data analysis or contact centres etc. If it replaces more jobs than it creates then it's not a positive advancement for society.


Lets bring it closer to home. In gaming, are you also against procedural generation, or companies using the unreal engine? Or maybe you're just only against GenAI, because that's the cool uninformed rebel thing to do right now.

In gaming I think there should be a balanced approach. Using AI as a tool to help speed up development is a good thing.

The danger is with AI getting to a stage where it can do most of the work, which would then make most people in the industry redundant.
 
Matter of taste. For me, the 1993 version looks terrible and the AI version has a cool comic look. But setting personal preferences aside, it's about the enormous amount of work that AI can save in such cases.
i'd rather take nothing over AI that churns out soulless, ugly slop but does it quickly
 
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The coolest thing from this recent AI boom is the insight into how we 'think' and it's pretty clear that it isn't that different to how these AI operate.
I remember being intrigued by AI back in the late 90s and reading a bunch of AI books. Back then there was a lot of discussion about things like how do you define 'a chair' so that you can program a set of rules that allow an AI to say that's a chair when it sees one. Which was all wrong, because we don't operate like that.
AI has been able to become creative so quickly and so impressively precisely because we also regurgitate variations of what other people have done and other things we have seen.
Here is an AI image of a chair made out of stained glass - the AI wasn't creating a chair based on rules of 4 legs, a back etc but just iterating until it had an image that matched the fuzzy idea of a chair and the fuzzy idea of stained glass.
PnxcNjJ1mVQPW7Cx.jpg
I think people should not lose focus about what an AI is. It doesn't matter how good these computer program is, NONE. At the end of the day it still is just a computer program, a tool.

They run on CPU and GPU while human brain think on water, meat and electric neuron

if you lose focus on that you'll begin giving these tools a human rights sooner or later just because of some people that doesn't know how a computer works just assume they're smart and sentient or something
 
The coolest thing from this recent AI boom is the insight into how we 'think' and it's pretty clear that it isn't that different to how these AI operate.

I don't agree with this. While the recent AI boom, particularly with LLMs, has provided some valuable insights into human information processing, it's an exaggeration to say it's "pretty clear that it isn't that different" from how humans think.

The core mechanisms are fundamentally different. Everything from learning, creativity and just being self aware means humans and AI are miles apart. The gap gets closed with AGI/ASI, but both of those are a long way out yet.
 
#Can'tKillProgress old man and if the majority accepts it ur out of luck.

Like they accepted paid online on consoles.

Even voting with ur vallet is pointless at that point. Look how NOBODY gave a flying fuck about arc raiders having ai voice acting..they dont care.
 
I can see where your coming from. However, AI will be far more disruptive to jobs than the industrial revolution or the introduction of robotics. AI has the ability to automate and replace more jobs than it creates. Warehouses, factories, office jobs like data analysis or contact centres etc. If it replaces more jobs than it creates then it's not a positive advancement for society.




In gaming I think there should be a balanced approach. Using AI as a tool to help speed up development is a good thing.

The danger is with AI getting to a stage where it can do most of the work, which would then make most people in the industry redundant.

Electricity, agricultural automation and the internet all had a massive impact on jobs. I am keen to understand why you think genAI is significantly bigger and what this is based on.
 
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Electricity, agricultural automation and the internet all had a massive impact on jobs. I am keen to understand why you think genAI is bigger and what this is based on.

Because AI has the potential to be more disruptive than all of those combined.

The examples you listed automated manual, physical, or highly repetitive clerical tasks. However, AI, particularly generative AI and advanced machine learning, has the potential to automate complex cognitive tasks that were previously considered exclusively human, such as writing, coding, analysis, decision making and even less skilled roles like contact centre work.

This is a massive difference as it means AI would not just impact a small slice of the workforce but has a broad and immediate impact across white-collar, creative, and professional industries.

Another point is that your examples and also the industrial revolution saw the creation of new jobs. For example, when factories were being knocked up in England during the industrial revolution, you saw masses of people leave rural areas and moved to cities and towns for new work. It's unlikely that the same number of new industries and jobs are going to replace what AI takes over. The scale would be too great.

So yeah, people have a right to be worried.
 
Because AI has the potential to be more disruptive than all of those combined.

The examples you listed automated manual, physical, or highly repetitive clerical tasks. However, AI, particularly generative AI and advanced machine learning, has the potential to automate complex cognitive tasks that were previously considered exclusively human, such as writing, coding, analysis, decision making and even less skilled roles like contact centre work.

This is a massive difference as it means AI would not just impact a small slice of the workforce but has a broad and immediate impact across white-collar, creative, and professional industries.

Another point is that your examples and also the industrial revolution saw the creation of new jobs. For example, when factories were being knocked up in England during the industrial revolution, you saw masses of people leave rural areas and moved to cities and towns for new work. It's unlikely that the same number of new industries and jobs are going to replace what AI takes over. The scale would be too great.

So yeah, people have a right to be worried.

Has the potential, but it does not exist yet. AI has been around since the 1950's. GenAI as we know it today has been around since 2022. While advancements are fast, this is still considered weak AI (ANI). You are alluding to the potential, theoritical concepts like AGI, or ASI. Yes, with those anything might be possible and they may turn the world upside down. However they do not exist today and this topic is about the current effects of AI on the gaming industry.
 
Not to pull stats but the PS1 was £299 in the UK in 1995 and 30 years later I can buy a PS5 for £380.

Really, gaming has never been cheaper - god knows what everything else that cost £300 in 1995 now costs.

Ah - according to the inflation calculator £300 in 1995 is worth £622 now.
 
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I don't agree with this. While the recent AI boom, particularly with LLMs, has provided some valuable insights into human information processing, it's an exaggeration to say it's "pretty clear that it isn't that different" from how humans think.

The core mechanisms are fundamentally different. Everything from learning, creativity and just being self aware means humans and AI are miles apart. The gap gets closed with AGI/ASI, but both of those are a long way out yet.
I don't know, I think we are pretty close to the point where we will be asking what does being 'self aware' mean. I think the main thing holding us back is that there isn't going to be much money in AGI - we already have billions of people with general intelligence.
 
I don't know, I think we are pretty close to the point where we will be asking what does being 'self aware' mean.
That will be when we get to the point of AGI/ASI (if we get there at all), but even then there would still be many differences. Humans are biological begins and the way we think and behave is a mix of our complex neurochemistry and millions of years of evolution. No AI, no matter how advance, will ever be like us.

I think the main thing holding us back is that there isn't going to be much money in AGI - we already have billions of people with general intelligence.

The value of AGI lies in its ability to automate cognitive tasks that currently require human effort, often at a higher speed and consistency than people can achieve. Currently, human intelligence for the work place is expensive because it requires salary, benefits, training, and time off. An AGI system could perform countless tasks (complex data analysis, creative problem-solving, strategic planning, detailed research, coding etc) 24/7 at a marginal operating cost after the initial development.

It's important to also note that AGI is aimed at reaching a super-human level of general intelligence (or at least being highly flexible and adaptive). Above I mentioned that human behaviour is due to our neurochemistry. The downside to this is that human intelligence is often limited by memory, emotional biases, cognitive fatigue, depression etc. An AGI operating optimally across vast datasets with perfect logical consistency doesn't have any of our faults, can run 24/7 and can resolve problems far quicker than we can, as well as improving itself. AGI could, in theory, design better microchips, discovers a new drug, or develops a perfectly optimised global supply chain, all in a fraction of the time it would take a whole team of humans. That is where the money comes from.
 
It will be, because when the bubble pops (and it will), your investors are going to be crying a lot of salty tears. Products very rarely get to be sold to "no one." They're sold to people. And people are already getting wise to just how foolish this fad truly is. I have no sympathy for "investors" who didn't read the writing on the wall and listen to peoples' growing disdain for a product that's meant to replace them and reduce the collective intelligence. A lot of people deserve to lose their money.

This fake "artificial intelligence" fad (which is nothing more than data scraping and copy-pasting) has nothing of actual value to offer. It's just a surprisingly tiny circle, a small number of companies, desperately trying to push the Next Big Thing (tm) and trying to force its implementation by pressuring supremely ignorant people into believing we have no choice but to embrace it Because China.

But people have embraced it, only to find out that it's a nothing-burger at best, and actually harmful the rest of the time.
While you're crying in you little echo chamber. In the real world with real people who produce wealth there's a tremendous benefit of using Ai in their pipeline. It's a bubble yes because of the massive initial investment, everybody knows that but you're counting too much on that bubble to burst so Ai will be gone. Well guess what, It's there forever and you won't change anything about it. Boycott all you want, in the end you're just gonna be an outsider living paycheck to paycheck trying to convince himself that he made the best morale choices until you get sick and get a treatment discovered by Ai.

Humans who thrives are the one who can adapt. The rest are left in the dust.
 
While you're crying in you little echo chamber. In the real world with real people who produce wealth there's a tremendous benefit of using Ai in their pipeline. It's a bubble yes because of the massive initial investment, everybody knows that but you're counting too much on that bubble to burst so Ai will be gone. Well guess what, It's there forever and you won't change anything about it. Boycott all you want, in the end you're just gonna be an outsider living paycheck to paycheck trying to convince himself that he made the best morale choices until you get sick and get a treatment discovered by Ai.

Humans who thrives are the one who can adapt. The rest are left in the dust.
See? It's a religion. Only a very, very stupid one.

"Because China" is a terrifically poor excuse to do anything. The rest of us should just sit back and watch them waste a shit-ton of effort and electricity on the "Ayy-Eye" nothingburger, and write laws to codify the illegality of data-mining content-theft.

Everybody's pro-environment until it's techbros building power-gobbling datacenters in everyone's backyards. Then, suddenly, all that whinging falls dead-silent. That's something else I've noticed.

Best thing to do moving forward is to kill this nonsense dead.

GenAI is simply a form of automation, it automates work, which means the demand for certain jobs shifts to others. Are you also against conveyor belts, or robotics in cars manufacturing, or robots doing order picking in warehouses?

Lets bring it closer to home. In gaming, are you also against procedural generation, or companies using the unreal engine? Or maybe you're just only against GenAI, because that's the cool uninformed rebel thing to do right now.

Conveyor belts don't steal and repurpose peoples' work. Robotic assembly lines aren't murdering human creativity. Order-picking systems aren't spreading massive amounts of FUD and being used by governments to basically commit crimes against humanity.

Procedural generation algorithms =/= ChatGPT. DLSS =/= OpenAI. These sadsack attempts at deflection are symptoms of a desperate attempt to get people to accept this rot. Oh, you like "X," so you have to accept "Y!" is the one of the most common - and poorest of all - whataboutisms possible.

"Uninformed rebel." lmao - people are actually turning against this rot en-masse. It's beautiful to see. I'm actually glad to see people have some brains left. Turns out people aren't so impressed with soulless slop cropping up anywhere and everywhere. The only people left on your hype train are social-media boomers who like to color their trash-tier memes with cringe Ghibli art (who don't even know who Hayao Miyazaki is), idiot shareholders, and quasi-religious zealots who need something to believe in.
 
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I played Wipeout XL for an hour today. That game had more character in graphics and sound design than I've seen in most modern stuff for the last decade or more. Graphics alone couldn't push a game over the finish line… art design and understanding how to work around limitations made miracles happen.
 
You heard it here first, folks! If there's something in the outside world you don't like, just ignore it! Just take these magnificent, intelligent ostrichs as an example. Bury your head in the sand and hope it's all over just by itself at some point. Nothing bad ever came from this behaviour, it works 100% of the time. You silly people, just stay passive and obedient. Duh!

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I'm just playing video games, man.
 
If people thinking like this could have made decisions that matter we wouldn't be discussing here because the internet wouldn't be what it is or wouldn't exist at all.

Development of AI is an existential issue. It's the best bet humans have to survive long term. We have already fucked the world beyond salvation and we are not slowing down.

Once AGI/ASI becomes a reality and if it doesn't go terribly wrong humanity will enjoy a golden era. The transition will be painful but I don't think the people that will suffer it are around yet.

Computer parts scarcity is nothing. A minor discomfort compared to true suffering in the world. There's a lot of shit worthy of depression around.
 
See? It's a religion. Only a very, very stupid one.

"Because China" is a terrifically poor excuse to do anything. The rest of us should just sit back and watch them waste a shit-ton of effort and electricity on the "Ayy-Eye" nothingburger, and write laws to codify the illegality of data-mining content-theft.

Everybody's pro-environment until it's techbros building power-gobbling datacenters in everyone's backyards. Then, suddenly, all that whinging falls dead-silent. That's something else I've noticed.

Best thing to do moving forward is to kill this nonsense dead.



Conveyor belts don't steal and repurpose peoples' work. Robotic assembly lines aren't murdering human creativity. Order-picking systems aren't spreading massive amounts of FUD and being used by governments to basically commit crimes against humanity.

Procedural generation algorithms =/= ChatGPT. DLSS =/= OpenAI. These sadsack attempts at deflection are symptoms of a desperate attempt to get people to accept this rot. Oh, you like "X," so you have to accept "Y!" is the one of the most common - and poorest of all - whataboutisms possible.

"Uninformed rebel." lmao - people are actually turning against this rot en-masse. It's beautiful to see. I'm actually glad to see people have some brains left. Turns out people aren't so impressed with soulless slop cropping up anywhere and everywhere. The only people left on your hype train are social-media boomers who like to color their trash-tier memes with cringe Ghibli art (who don't even know who Hayao Miyazaki is), idiot shareholders, and quasi-religious zealots who need something to believe in.

A lot of things change art and creativity. In the 19th century painters would complain over the introduction of photography as this automated realistic depictions. Tools like Photoshop erode the need for fundamental artistic skills. AI is no different. You can cry about it, but you're just one more person trying to resist the ongoing movement of technological advancement.
 
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The only AI I would welcome in gaming is the improve NPC's well... AI. To react to what you do instead of standing idly by, just run away or cower in fear. Or better yet, in combat to increase difficulties based on what they do and now add more health and damage.
 
Modern LLM's that power today's AI are the practical technical application of machine learning. Characterizing machine learning as niche in any way is outdated thinking. At least two years outdated.

Generative AI is now mainstream product technology and the industry has moved on to thinking and reasoning models that are driving agentic AI. AI agents are using machine learning and generative AI to do real work. There is absolutely nothing niche about the current state of AI. The technology is being used to improve itself at an insane pace. The pace of investment may slow down, but the technology isn't going anywhere.

I was refereeing to niche applications that Machine Learning have been know to excel in, not popular use like LLMs.

But considering Generative AI is an architecture, it's absolutely slowing down, if it's not - it will eventually.
 
We're living in a shitty Sci-Fi story.

The truly horrifying aspect of AI is all the global superpowers racing to advance AI technology asap to best their competitors and weaponize it. AI taking our jobs is a valid concern, but I'll be surprised if humanity is still around 20 years from now.
 
See? It's a religion. Only a very, very stupid one.

"Because China" is a terrifically poor excuse to do anything. The rest of us should just sit back and watch them waste a shit-ton of effort and electricity on the "Ayy-Eye" nothingburger, and write laws to codify the illegality of data-mining content-theft.

Everybody's pro-environment until it's techbros building power-gobbling datacenters in everyone's backyards. Then, suddenly, all that whinging falls dead-silent. That's something else I've noticed.

Best thing to do moving forward is to kill this nonsense dead.



Conveyor belts don't steal and repurpose peoples' work. Robotic assembly lines aren't murdering human creativity. Order-picking systems aren't spreading massive amounts of FUD and being used by governments to basically commit crimes against humanity.

Procedural generation algorithms =/= ChatGPT. DLSS =/= OpenAI. These sadsack attempts at deflection are symptoms of a desperate attempt to get people to accept this rot. Oh, you like "X," so you have to accept "Y!" is the one of the most common - and poorest of all - whataboutisms possible.

"Uninformed rebel." lmao - people are actually turning against this rot en-masse. It's beautiful to see. I'm actually glad to see people have some brains left. Turns out people aren't so impressed with soulless slop cropping up anywhere and everywhere. The only people left on your hype train are social-media boomers who like to color their trash-tier memes with cringe Ghibli art (who don't even know who Hayao Miyazaki is), idiot shareholders, and quasi-religious zealots who need something to believe in.
The amalgam of wrong informations to forge your opinion is caricatural. You clearly don't have any expertise on what you are talking about, all I hear is bits of propaganda spread around social media regurgitated in a very spiteful way.
Maybe get away from TikTok school and go get some high degree scholarship.
You're not a PhD researcher
Not an expert in economic
Not an expert in geopolitics
You reduce everyone to stupid, techbros, soulless to try to elevate yourself above them.
But in the end, and let's them properly. The researchers, entrepreneurs and innovators are the ones responsible of the evolution of our society.
And you, if you continue to be just a TikTok graduate, will always be just a disposable guy screaming on some the forums.
 
The amalgam of wrong informations to forge your opinion is caricatural. You clearly don't have any expertise on what you are talking about, all I hear is bits of propaganda spread around social media regurgitated in a very spiteful way.
Maybe get away from TikTok school and go get some high degree scholarship.
You're not a PhD researcher
Not an expert in economic
Not an expert in geopolitics
You reduce everyone to stupid, techbros, soulless to try to elevate yourself above them.
But in the end, and let's them properly. The researchers, entrepreneurs and innovators are the ones responsible of the evolution of our society.
And you, if you continue to be just a TikTok graduate, will always be just a disposable guy screaming on some the forums.
Yes, Comrade. Absolutely, Comrade.

Fuck off. You don't have an argument. Don't waste my time with this nonsense. For all your talk of scholarship, your points are trite quasi-religious techno-worship, and utterly mockworthy.

Development of AI is an existential issue. It's the best bet humans have to survive long term. We have already fucked the world beyond salvation and we are not slowing down.

Like this. Imagine thinking shit like this. This level of stupidity is actually, factually frightening.
 
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