Werewolf Jones
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If you watch any of these people you deserve the blade.
Allegedly Disney has declared "streaming is dead", if that is true, what comes next?
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MayauMiao
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This isn't resetera.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
They stopped making animated shows. Where are the fun Phineas and Ferb shows?
The last big 3 all had female leads. My favorite of those was Amphibia. The Owl house and Molly Mcgee were pretty good too.
But I would rather have a big cast show like Ducktales.
Or all out wacky fun like Milo Murphy's Law (Voiced by Weird Al).
Looking at the list of cartoons, it's all shorts with old characters (that look chibified in many cases)
If Disney want me back they need to decimate the live action stuff and get back to animating.
The last big 3 all had female leads. My favorite of those was Amphibia. The Owl house and Molly Mcgee were pretty good too.
But I would rather have a big cast show like Ducktales.
Or all out wacky fun like Milo Murphy's Law (Voiced by Weird Al).
Looking at the list of cartoons, it's all shorts with old characters (that look chibified in many cases)
If Disney want me back they need to decimate the live action stuff and get back to animating.
MrTroubleMaker
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Produce 
nobody wants...
nobody wants...
Windle Poons
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
It's not dead it just means there's a subscription price increase coming.
Trogdor1123
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It's dead? Not sure about that. The services are now starting to pull a profit of rather significant amounts. Their account numbers keep growing and they produce loads of content.
Seems like a pretty good model to me.
Seems like a pretty good model to me.
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
The real answer is AI. In a not-too-distant future, all of our content will be created in realtime, custom tailored to each individual. It'll be algorithmically perfect and addictive.
We're approaching Wall-E faster than we think.
We're approaching Wall-E faster than we think.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Weird to randomly put Microsoft in there when they don't have any of these services and not mention Amazon who is a leader in super services.
Apple isn't doing any major acquisitions anytime soon.
WhiteWaterM00se
Member
Right. I used MS because there has been rumors they were considering tv or movie companies in the past. You can look up past articles. With Gamepass and the tremendous number of IP MS own's, it would seem like a natural move.
Apple will acquire some things soon, i believe. But i think they will concentrate on live sports rights. They are rumored for MLB, F1, and NBA rights.
You are absolutely right about Amazon. But, despite having Luna and Amazon games including Tomb Raider. They have no gaming presence in reality. But you are right, same applies to Amazon.
Dr.Morris79
Member
That won't change a thing if they're not making good content.
Infact, it won't change even if they did. People are just getting fucked off with subscriptions and crap TV/Films in general.
WhiteWaterM00se
Member
What we should really be talking about is…
Is "streaming dead" due to going from the "Golden age" of tv. Sopranos, breaking Bad, Curb, Always Sunny, Justified, Americans, NCIS…etc, etc.
To the overall slop we have today. Too much content, has spread out writing talent and made many tv and movies just "hot garbage".
The real question is, are people unwilling to pay for "hot garbage" anymore.
Is "streaming dead" due to going from the "Golden age" of tv. Sopranos, breaking Bad, Curb, Always Sunny, Justified, Americans, NCIS…etc, etc.
To the overall slop we have today. Too much content, has spread out writing talent and made many tv and movies just "hot garbage".
The real question is, are people unwilling to pay for "hot garbage" anymore.
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
And if you make The Acolyte, Star Wars fans like me will feel like we've been spat on too many times to ever give Disney our money again. It was the last straw for me.
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Dr.Morris79
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I'm unwilling, to the Nth degree. I glass eyed myself through the wife's months sub of Netflix last weekend, Jesus christ almighty! Awful!
Prime? Awful!!
I really have reached a point now where I personally am going back to old shows they dont even show on these subs.. TJ Hooker, Hill Street Blues, Cagney and Lacey, Twilight zones, Magnum P.I, Anything!! Anything is better
Not even joking. I really can't stand quite a few new things made in this day and age, it's complete tripe and most of it looks gaudy shit even though the budgets could get you on the god damn Moon!
dispensergoinup
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I've been much pickier with shows that I watch. I generally game more and watch YouTube in the background during downtime. Unsubbed from everything except Spotify and YT.
Last movie I went out to the theater for was Sinners. And this is coming from someone who abused MoviePass back in the day.
I just put my Cinemark monthly sub on hiatus until something really compelling surfaces.
Will probably just be social and watch Stranger Things at a friend's house to avoid subbing.
Saturation set in for me a long time ago. Combo of content not for me and fragmented services.
Last movie I went out to the theater for was Sinners. And this is coming from someone who abused MoviePass back in the day.
I just put my Cinemark monthly sub on hiatus until something really compelling surfaces.
Will probably just be social and watch Stranger Things at a friend's house to avoid subbing.
Saturation set in for me a long time ago. Combo of content not for me and fragmented services.
March Climber
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Hulu should have just had all Disney+ content included from the start, as a simple menu selection. Disney+ as a separate app is one of their big problems, and continues to be a problem as the app has been integrating Hulu content into it to try and make it better.
It would be as dumb as WB attempting to make a separate Toonami subscription and then slowly including HBO content.
On another note, the people in this thread saying "you should have made new shows and better shows" and then proceeding to not watch those new and better shows when asked to check them out, is funny to witness.
I wonder if this is how older generations would have acted online if the internet was this huge in the 80s. Would those 50/60s show fans be constantly annoyed at the 80s and 90s content? If their reception to music changes was any indication, then yea probably.
Mibu no ookami
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Imagine putting NCIS above shows like Severance, Shogun, Dark, Chernobyl, and Mindhunters lol...
People who constantly use words like "slop" always out themselves.
There are plenty of great tv shows today. There is bad tv today and there has always been bad tv.
Again, it might not fit the narrative people want, but every major subscription service is at all time highs. The content isn't the problem. It might be for you because you don't seek out shows that you like, but tv is still peak.
WhiteWaterM00se
Member
I have had Apple TV+ since launch. They have good content. But instead of trying to make every show a "severance", i am saying they need more variety. Do NOT make every show some spectacle. Make some, just basic run of the mill tv shows that are of "good quality" and can find a mainstream audience.
IMO, the "good quality, normal shows" along with live sports, and the spectacle "special" shows like Severance, is how you build a LARGER install base.
I am not sure where you saw the "all time" high subscriber thing. Prime (probably is), but not because of content. It is Amazon. Netflix, probably is. Disney+ was down subscribers last investor meeting. Apple does not disclose subscriber numbers, only saying they lose approximately $1 Billion a year on Apple TV+. Which they view as a loss leader.
Paramount +, and Peacock have struggled in the growth department, and i don't have any idea about Max.
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Mibu no ookami
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Apple TV+ is one of the worst services IMO. Almost all of their content is run of the mill.
Maybe we just have a different definition on quality and what makes a show "normal"
Ted Lasso, The Studio, Shrinking, The Morning Show... aren't these normal shows?
WhiteWaterM00se
Member
So, actually what i do, is run all my bills thru an Apple Card. I earn Apple Cash back. Which i use to purchase content that can be shared with family members on my Apple+ family plan.
I wish we could alter the App to highlight owned content and content we subscribe to "ONLY". I also wish Apple would allow us to make recommendations of content to family members on our Apple TV+ app.
I would like to remove many of Apple's recommendations. In a perfect world, Apple would highlight the Store again, and allow us to purchase digital content on weekly sales and allow us to personalize the Apple TV+ app as the user see's fit too.
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March Climber
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I Peacock eventually joining Paramout+ one day by simply becoming an "add-on" that is purchasable on other streaming services. I don't think that either of them have good enough content on their own to fully make it on their own. Max will be fine either way because they have HBO, which is a brand so strong that the app was renamed back to HBO Max.
I also agree with the overall general statement that there are too many streaming services, and I do see some of them either being absorbed by other services or minimizing themselves to add-on status within the next 10 years, which will essentially be like buying a channel.
Oddly enough, I have been watching more and more Apple TV+ content lately as they have had either good picks from other countries (like Slow Horses) or well made original content on their own (like recently, Murderbot). Current Apple TV+ reminds me of 2010s AMC shows and how they were in a good spot at the time.
WhiteWaterM00se
Member
I agree. I very much enjoy Slow Horses. I like your comparison to 2010's AMC. I always described it as 1990's-early 2000's NBC. Big shows that don't offend anyone and are "good enough".
Hari Seldon
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Paywall link: https://archive.ph/b18Nf
Definitely a massive industry crash underway.
Paywall link: https://archive.ph/b18Nf
Definitely a massive industry crash underway.
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
Not sure about others, but in my case I'd say "new content is dead."
It has never been the case in any prior era until now (for entertainment) that we have the entire history of these mediums instantly available. I can dig up any TV series of film / franchise from any prior decade and obtain it, either legitimately (individual purchase on Apple TV or something) or by piracy.
Given that massive backlog of many decades of brilliant content -- and the absolute braindead dearth of humanity that is represented by today's "modern audiences" content -- why would I want to stream anything new, or subscribe to anything that is based on new content? I have zero FOMO on whatever the stupid discourse thinks is an important new series today, all of it is trash... and it'll be forgotten in a week anyway.
Given that we all have access to a massive library of all prior content that is easily obtained and watched, I think the value of new content has hit the floor, and it's well deserved. A better future would be one in which the entertainment industry is 1/10th of its current size.
It has never been the case in any prior era until now (for entertainment) that we have the entire history of these mediums instantly available. I can dig up any TV series of film / franchise from any prior decade and obtain it, either legitimately (individual purchase on Apple TV or something) or by piracy.
Given that massive backlog of many decades of brilliant content -- and the absolute braindead dearth of humanity that is represented by today's "modern audiences" content -- why would I want to stream anything new, or subscribe to anything that is based on new content? I have zero FOMO on whatever the stupid discourse thinks is an important new series today, all of it is trash... and it'll be forgotten in a week anyway.
Given that we all have access to a massive library of all prior content that is easily obtained and watched, I think the value of new content has hit the floor, and it's well deserved. A better future would be one in which the entertainment industry is 1/10th of its current size.
HoodWinked
Member
That is a statement out of context.
Streaming is here to stay, costs will plummet once ai-slop is incorporated into their production. Whoever owns the IP will have all the leverage and Disney has a huge advantage here.
Streaming is here to stay, costs will plummet once ai-slop is incorporated into their production. Whoever owns the IP will have all the leverage and Disney has a huge advantage here.
Unknown Soldier
Member
What's next is going to be bankruptcy for a lot of legacy media companies
They destroyed their own tried and true business model with movie theaters and sales of physical goods in order to rush to a streaming model that has literally ruined every business that tries it, and at the same time they also destroyed all goodwill they had from the media consuming public by destroying venerable franchises with trying to force an insane political ideology down the world's collective throats
No, fuck em. Let em burn. Let every one of the fuckers go bankrupt
They destroyed their own tried and true business model with movie theaters and sales of physical goods in order to rush to a streaming model that has literally ruined every business that tries it, and at the same time they also destroyed all goodwill they had from the media consuming public by destroying venerable franchises with trying to force an insane political ideology down the world's collective throats
No, fuck em. Let em burn. Let every one of the fuckers go bankrupt
Wildebeest
Member
Too fragmented over too many services. Too many shows. Most shows get cancelled before they can work out what it is and hit the point where it is actually good which reinforces the feeling that the productions are just slop.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
It's far from dead. Not everything has to have a massive budget; Disney is really bad with that.
Hari Seldon
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I definitely agree, but only for movies. Modern TV is largely superior to anything before. This is coming to an end, because the economics don't work out. But the last 10 years of TV have been better than any 10 years of TV ever and it is hard to argue that imo.
But for movies, holy shit it definitely seems like everyone who used to know how to make movies got simultaneously taken by the rapture. Basic shit like lighting is just bad these days.
"Honey, why does EVERY show in your Netflix feed star a naked 25 year old Syndey Sweeney?"
"That's not true sweetie, a couple have a naked "Knock Knock" era Ana de Armas!"
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
eh, it depends -- still one of the top 3 television series of all time is Star Trek: The Next Generation, for example. And every Star Trek of the past decade has been the absolute bottom of the barrel on writing, to the point where one can't fathom how the same culture ever produced the classic series.
There were a few bright spots (to me, something like Better Call Saul, or the Twin Peaks revival) but otherwise even the prestige dramas are pretty horrible IMO. Even the GoT franchise is just slop with dragons and intentional scandalous cheap content on top, the world would be better off without it.
EDIT: or for another comparison to balance out Star Trek, take Sherlock Holmes. There was one very bright spot a decade ago (the first couple season of Moffat's smart reboot), but even that series slid into incoherent fan drivel by the end -- and all other Holmes-adjacent attempts of past years have fallen dead and misunderstood everything. In contrast, Jeremy Brett's 1990s series is brilliantly handled, and reserved in a way that no TV show can be anymore. Loss of reserve and restraint is key to why so much of today's content is trash.
Or take another detective, Poirot; those classic seasons were so well done, and so faithful, and nothing today in mystery drama can handle its subjects in such a mature manner.
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reinking
Gold Member
That is what I have been thinking about lately. I have too many subs for things I hardly ever watch. Several because I pick them up on annual sub sales. I am thinking about letting most of them go even if they are dirt cheap. I know it is cringe to complain about "too much content" for cheap but I have apps I load about once every two months.
Baemono
Member
Narrative vs realitySoooo
- Streaming is dead
- Physical media is dead
- Theaters are dead
And also people started to catch up with what streaming means, aka content being removed even if you still pay for. I started to buy DVDs again, and with all the extra care they put into making these (interviews, bonuses, scenes that were cuts from movies, etc), it starts to have a higher value than streaming services.
Frostt
Member
Netflix on the other hand never had so many subscribers. Maybe is Disney who is making a ton of bad series (almost every Marvel series for example) and people got fed up with its bad quality?
Good ones: Wandavision, The Witching Hour, Andor and What If. Bad: the rest. With the lower quality tier what do that expect?
Good ones: Wandavision, The Witching Hour, Andor and What If. Bad: the rest. With the lower quality tier what do that expect?
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I feel so sorry for all these rich people who are making slightly less money than before
diffusionx
Gold Member
Netflix doesn't make good stuff though, they make 4/10 disposable slop that people put on as background noise. People expect some level of quality from Marvel or Star Wars or whatever and streaming just doesn't work this way. It works the way Netflix does it, it's disposable, valueless slop.
spookyfish
Member
Disney: "Streaming is dead."
Also Disney: "Here's $650 million for Andor."
Also Disney: "Here's $650 million for Andor."
Hohenheim
Member
What I really want is a universal storefront (like Steam, but for movies/series etc) where I can find anything and buy (or rent) what I want.
I hate that I need 10 apps to watch the stuff I need, and I would much rather pay for the stuff I want to see, rather than having all these fucking streaming services.
I hate that I need 10 apps to watch the stuff I need, and I would much rather pay for the stuff I want to see, rather than having all these fucking streaming services.
ChorizoPicozo
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And they have more than 100M+ subscribers.
These services are good, but the same thing happened as with Game Pass: they pushed too hard, trying to disrupt the established business model in order to win a race that's actually a marathon.... 10 years later.
These services are good, but the same thing happened as with Game Pass: they pushed too hard, trying to disrupt the established business model in order to win a race that's actually a marathon.... 10 years later.
Bojji
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Nydius
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Streaming is only "dead" because it became a race to the bottom.
First, you had every media company decide they wanted a piece of the pie so they all created their own streaming services with separate subscriptions and pulled their content licenses from any other streaming service to try to pull subscribers over. The Office stands as a prime example of this.
Then, when they realized people weren't staying subscribed long term, they began cranking out as much content as a possible, regardless of quality, to keep adding "new" stuff to try and make people justify staying subscribed. Because a lot of it was of lackluster quality, this plan backfired.
And then they all added advertisements...
Streaming has turned into a worse version of cable and I've found myself going back to ye olden days of sailing the high seas for shows I'm interested in.
First, you had every media company decide they wanted a piece of the pie so they all created their own streaming services with separate subscriptions and pulled their content licenses from any other streaming service to try to pull subscribers over. The Office stands as a prime example of this.
Then, when they realized people weren't staying subscribed long term, they began cranking out as much content as a possible, regardless of quality, to keep adding "new" stuff to try and make people justify staying subscribed. Because a lot of it was of lackluster quality, this plan backfired.
And then they all added advertisements...
Streaming has turned into a worse version of cable and I've found myself going back to ye olden days of sailing the high seas for shows I'm interested in.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
Streaming is shining more than ever think about how cable and satellite dominated markets for years both are dead.