Almost half of video gamers cutting TV use --study

Thursday August 26, 1:29 pm ET

LOS ANGELES, Aug 26 (Reuters) - Nearly half of video game players watched less television last year or plan to cut their viewing time this year, according to a report issued on Thursday that lends credence to industry fears that young men are switching off the tube.

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The Ziff Davis Digital Gaming in America survey found that 26 percent of gamers had cut their TV watching over the last year, and a further 20 percent expect to do so this year.

Television ratings provider Nielsen Media ignited a storm of controversy among network executives last fall when it reported a 7.7 percent decline in prime-time viewing by men aged 18 to 34.

Nielsen cited growing competition from video games and DVDs. Studies have shown that the average game player is 29 years old.

The Ziff study, a random poll of 1,000 people nationwide, was conducted in May and June by the Strategy Group. It is published annually.

The research also found that game players are not just sitting in their living rooms. Half said they play games on their cell phones, for an average of 4.4 hours a week. They also spent an average of $19 in the last 60 days on phone games, the study found.

Some networks had suggested that Nielsen's sampling was flawed, and Nielsen said about half the decline could be explained by changes in the composition of its ratings sample and in the way it measured data .

Earlier this month, Nielsen said viewership in the first eight weeks of the summer season by men aged 18 to 34 was down only 3 percent for the four major networks.
 
Our TV watching time is divided in order of use between:

Watching recorded items via TIVO
Videogaming
Watching DVD's
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Watching boxing PPV's.
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Watching TV.

That's how little we watch "live programming".
 
If im not watching tv on DVD, im playing my Dreamcast. Hell, I havent watched tv in over a year now. The popularity of Reality TV shows, the cancellations of my favorite series have convinced me that TV is no longer for me.
 
For me, it's TV on DVD, or nothing at all. Why put up with commercials?

These days I probably spend more time with books on average than videogames (but only barely).
 
Maybe they should stop cancelling shows that appeal to the same demographic many gamers are from.

Wankers.
 
And not to mention, the quality of TV programming these days is in the gutter... I saw a trailer for the MTV music awards... OMG I felt like I was getting dumber just sitting there, absorbing it...

Oh well, we know the networks solution - more shitty reality TV shows and more advertising to recoup their losses.
 
Mama Smurf said:
Maybe they should stop cancelling shows that appeal to the same demographic many gamers are from.

Wankers.

Seriously, maybe some of us gamers don't feel like watching 3 hours of reality television a night.
 
Well when all there is to watch is fucking reality tv, no wonder the audience is going away.

I for one am sick of:

1. Reality TV
2. Dating shows
3. Design/Decorating shows


I'm about to cancel my cable I'm so annoyed.
 
It's only a matter or time before the current system of network television totally dies. Like many others, I wait for the shows I like to be on DVD, and often these are show that were cancelled due to lack of interest from "the general public".
 
That rushing sound you hear is the emptying bladders of TV execs everywhere.



Network TV as it exists is a dead model. Unfortunately, the alternatives ain't pretty. Either we pay for it, or get ads placed into the programming. The latter has already started happening, i.e. Extreme Makeover Home Edition is a 45-minute feel-good for Sears/Kenmore, the Queer Eye dudes drink Pepsi's every time they're in the truck for closeups, and most new sitcom kitchens don't have doors on the cabinets.


Minority Report, here we come.
 
Deku Tree said:
That's true for me... why watch TV when you can interact with it?

IBTN

And on top of it, I get very little enjoyment of watching TV as a whole. If I want to sit idly in front of a screen, I : 1) Watch one of my Dvds 2) Rent a movie 3) go at the theater to watch a movie.
 
Personally speaking, gaming has not affected my television watching, because if there's something on that I really want to watch, I'll just play video games some other time. It's not like I've supplanted things I used to watch with video games.
 
I can't stand reality programming and makeover shows, and all the shows I dig got cancelled. Screw TV, especially network TV.

I occasionally catch The Daily Show and ATHF. That's it.

The TV demographic is basically old people and idiots that can't use computers.
 
I look forward to the day shows are made exclusively for DVD. It'll be just like buying games, we'll have to go off reviews and teasers (or possibly full episodes) off the web. No more cancelling shows half way through the season, they'll get at least one full run each and those which sell best can go on to get future seasons.

One day I hope.
 
Mama Smurf said:
I look forward to the day shows are made exclusively for DVD. It'll be just like buying games, we'll have to go off reviews and teasers (or possibly full episodes) off the web. No more cancelling shows half way through the season, they'll get at least one full run each and those which sell best can go on to get future seasons.

One day I hope.
The problem with this model is the issue of how the studios would get funding for the programs, which they might accomplish through a mixture of increased product placement and unskippable ads on the DVDs. Even still, the problem of studios stomping out quality shows because they don't think they can sell enough DVDs -- and consequently ad space -- rears up again, and the cycle starts anew.
 
When I go to someone elses house and it is on, I wll watch some TV, and I try and catch King's games when they are actually televised, But I have not "watched" TV, especially in my own home, in years.
 
Plus with the TV to DVD model, you're able to see an episode or two to judge whether you want to buy the DVD or not.

With DVD to DVD model, you don't.

Anyways, TV sucks after last year. Buffy ended, Angel got canceled, Firefly got canceled.

Only thing I'm looking foward to is Scrubs and Everwood (shut up, I like it :p)
 
Count me in as another one of those "gamers" in the statstics. I watch a little of HBO, Cartoon Network, and Comedy Central, but that's the extent these days. Most of my free time is split between games, internet, and reading. Once in awhile I do the movie thing, but I definately not the movie buff I was years ago. Regardless, the crappiness of network television is the biggest reason for me not wanting to bother with it.
 
I see we're playing the not read my posts game again.

Plus with the TV to DVD model, you're able to see an episode or two to judge whether you want to buy the DVD or not.

With DVD to DVD model, you don't.

Like I said, reviews and an episode or two on the web. Or an episode on a demo disc from a magazine. Or even on a DVD for a different show that is already successful.

The problem with this model is the issue of how the studios would get funding for the programs, which they might accomplish through a mixture of increased product placement and unskippable ads on the DVDs.

Why? It'll work like the games business. You don't see loads of product placements and unskippable adds there, do you? The funding will come from DVD sales, just like a game's funding comes from game sales.

Even still, the problem of studios stomping out quality shows because they don't think they can sell enough DVDs -- and consequently ad space -- rears up again, and the cycle starts anew.

Well that's always going to be a part of any business. At least this way we can get a complete story rather than just being left hanging half way through the season.

I admit the budget for TV shows might have to go down, but that's ok. Special effects will get cheaper anyway, so that part will work out, and it's not like it'd be a popular show going from TV to DVD only, in which case the actors would have to take pay cuts, they'd have had lower wages from the start.
 
The time I get in front of the boob tube is precious and limited, and I would much rather play games or watch one of my favorite shows or a movie on DVD than flip through the channels with all the drek on TV nowadays.

It's kinda sad really, I'm paying for cable soley to catch the new episodes of Stargate SG1 and Stargate Atlantis. That's pricier than buying the DVDs (which i'm also doing :/)
 
Mama Smurf said:
Why? It'll work like the games business. You don't see loads of product placements and unskippable adds there, do you? The funding will come from DVD sales, just like a game's funding comes from game sales.
DVDs sell for cheaper than games (yes, some DVD sets of TV shows can go for $50 or more, but you're usually getting at least two season's worth), so they'd have to sell a lot more of them to recoup their costs. In addition, producing a TV series is significantly more costly than producing a game, especially when you factor in the continuing costs of keeping it going (a game is a one-time cost, but TV shows have episode after episode).

I admit the budget for TV shows might have to go down, but that's ok. Special effects will get cheaper anyway, so that part will work out, and it's not like it'd be a popular show going from TV to DVD only, in which case the actors would have to take pay cuts, they'd have had lower wages from the start.
For your model to work, they'd definitely have to go down, but the question is, would lower wage offers drive stars away from the business? In a DVD-only model, the quality of shows could suffer because of lack of budget and having to settle for B-grade actors and effects.
 
Azih said:
I think a fair number of people gave up on TV after Angel got cancelled.

And Futurama, and Family Guy, etc...

It's hilariously that Fox is now giving Family Guy a shot again. Something tells me the Nielsen ratings are worth a bag of shit.
 
DSN2K said:
No decent Star Trek
No Angel or Buffy
No 24
No Alias

besides sports WTF is their for me to watch ?
The Daily Show
Adult Swim (that right there represents like eight shows in the comedy genre alone -- more if you watch the anime)
Arrested Development
South Park
Reno 911
Everybody Loves Raymond (not always funny, but can be)

And in syndication:
The Simpsons (old reruns are good)
Seinfeld (if you're not sick of it by now, since it's on like 10 times a day)
Reruns of the shows above

For me, having these shows -- plus a few more that I'm probably forgetting -- is more than enough decent TV to watch. And I even only have basic cable.
 
DVDs sell for cheaper than games (yes, some DVD sets of TV shows can go for $50 or more, but you're usually getting at least two season's worth), so they'd have to sell a lot more of them to recoup their costs.

God, they don't sell cheaper in this country. They would sell more though, hopefully, because you wouldn't have people who'd have seen them on TV and that was enough for them. Especially if they're based off something popular (Faith the Vampire Slayer?). The popular ones would anyway, with anything you're going to have less popular ones, that's to be expected. They just don't get another season.

In addition, producing a TV series is significantly more costly than producing a game, especially when you factor in the continuing costs of keeping it going (a game is a one-time cost, but TV shows have episode after episode).

I don't really see that a game is a one time cost compared to my idea. You make all the episodes at once, over the course of a year. Almost all games take longer than that to make, it's not like you can not pay the employees over that time.

For your model to work, they'd definitely have to go down, but the question is, would lower wage offers drive stars away from the business? In a DVD-only model, the quality of shows could suffer because of lack of budget and having to settle for B-grade actors and effects.

Well a lot of shows wouldn't really need effects (like The OC for example), but those that do would be able to get decent ones. After all, this would only happen after the networks completely fuck up, so it's some time in the future. Obviously as time goes on and technology improves, effects which are perfectly acceptable would get cheaper.

It's possible stars could get driven away, but if TV is all reality and that sort of crap, what choice do they have? It's movies or DVD. And there are a hell of a lot more actors than there are roles in movies.

Another idea is that the networks could in fact show episodes that do well on TV maybe a year or so after the DVD release if it does really well. It sounds like I'm all backwards here, but it's not so different to the way the movie industry works. That way they get advertising money, they haven't spent anymore money on a new show, and future season of the DVD will get even better sales as people have seen it on TV.
 
Mama Smurf said:
God, they don't sell cheaper in this country. They would sell more though, hopefully, because you wouldn't have people who'd have seen them on TV and that was enough for them. Especially if they're based off something popular (Faith the Vampire Slayer?). The popular ones would anyway, with anything you're going to have less popular ones, that's to be expected. They just don't get another season.
Okay, that makes sense.

I don't really see that a game is a one time cost compared to my idea. You make all the episodes at once, over the course of a year. Almost all games take longer than that to make, it's not like you can not pay the employees over that time.
Yeah, fair enough. I guess I was just thinking on a per-episode basis, rather than the entire season as a whole.

Another idea is that the networks could in fact show episodes that do well on TV maybe a year or so after the DVD release if it does really well. It sounds like I'm all backwards here, but it's not so different to the way the movie industry works. That way they get advertising money, they haven't spent anymore money on a new show, and future season of the DVD will get even better sales as people have seen it on TV.
I actually like that idea a lot better than your initial proposal -- it sounds a lot more viable. The first DVD gauges audience interest -- sort of like a pilot and the subsequent few episodes do now -- and then if the market is there, the studio could come to advertisers with the sales data, get them interested, and put the series on the air. That's actually more or less how Family Guy got a second chance at Fox -- they took a look at the huge DVD numbers and decided there was an audience for the show after all.
 
The only things I watch (besides the Olympics right now, obviously) are the Simpsons and CSI/Law and Order/NCIS when I can catch it. When I'm over my grandmother's I watch movies and Disney because they have cable, but other than that the TV's either off or running Vice City
 
I watch no TV...

My current TV has NEVER had a regular broadcast signal run through it. I only use it for gaming...
 
Scrubs, Aqua Teens, Harvey Birdman, and Baseball Tonight...

Otherwise, I like to take naps. God, sleep is GOTY.
 
Funny thread but so true in my case. I haven't watched TV regular since I was in college (started in 1987). As a poor college student working his way through, I had no cash for cable TV (because the town I was in was far enough away from the closet major city, you had basicallyl no reception). So when the Sega Genesis came out, I was all over it and haven't looked back since. trust me, once you get used to not having to watch TV, you realize how easy it is to live without it. Besides any series you're interested in is coming to DVD anyway. ;)

I never wtach TV, I used to check out 60 minutes, or maybe something my girlfirend was watching but any of the major sitcoms over the past 15 years, I am clueless to (i.e. Home Improvement, Roseanne, Friends, Mad About You, whatever...I have not a clue). I rememebr when I went to go see the Lost in Space move, and eveybody was like, what do you mean you don't know who Matt LeBlanc is?

I just don't care for TV, especially with the who 'reality' blitz that going on right now. My girl even cut back the only thing she watches regularly is the HGTV network. The only networks I check out with in basis of frequency are Cartoon Network, Sci-Fi, Discovery, G4TV, and maybe some PPV stuff. Sad thing is that I have both Satelitte and cable. My televisions serve two purposes 1) Monitor for my DVD movies and anime 2) Monitor for my video games.
 
Only shows I watch regularly are 24 and Alias. I'll probably watch Lost, too, at least at first. I'd watch more stuff if I had cable -- I'll probably end up downloading stuff like South Park.
 
Just about the only thing I watch on TV nowadays is live sports broadcasts. I prefer to download TV series, and watch them at my own pace. I got lots of Seinfeld episodes to watch, for example. They run them everyday on TV anyway, but now I don't have to watch the commercials and I can choose any episode I like. Also, I can watch TV series that aren't even available on TV here in Sweden. Or I just buy the DVD releases.

Why should the TV channels choose what I would like to see, when I can choose completely by myself? Or when I can play games instead!?

But anyway...I have actually been thinking about how little I watch TV. It almost feels weird at times, and I don't listen to radio either. I probably watch more anime series than any TV channels nowadays. :|
 
TV is quite worthless. the only thing i watch now is court TV. reality TV pretty much killed TV for guys. TV is for women these days. you ever see ads for those "it's good to be" shows on E or some crap? who gives a fuck? i dont care what jessica simpson has or how much she spends. it doesnt effect me. she does nothing for me. WHO CARES. For the past month or so the only time i've turned on the TV was for games. otherwise the fiance turns it on and i end up leaving the room because TV is just damn annoying more than anything these days.
 
I only watch reruns. The shows I actually want to watch I wind up buying on DVD because I don't have cable in my room anyway.

In terms of new shows, I gave up when Fox cancelled yet another show I loved: Wonderfalls.

That god they're putting that on DVD now :D
 
Semjaza Azazel said:
I only watch reruns. The shows I actually want to watch I wind up buying on DVD because I don't have cable in my room anyway.

In terms of new shows, I gave up when Fox cancelled yet another show I loved: Wonderfalls.

That god they're putting that on DVD now :D

DVD is quickly becoming a saviour for people who still have taste quite frankly.
 
I haven't had the aerial plugged into my set for over a year now, in fact, I think I have actually never plugged an aerial into the TV I own to play my consoles on.
 
About a year and a half ago I seriously toned down my tv tuning-into. Now, I turn it on maybe once a week, and that's largely only for background noise while I clean my apt.
 
hell fuck tv viewing. what with the queer eye gay crap on tv and then just general rubbish.

personally, work has meant gaming time = very little and tv time limited to news.

time is better spent at

A) the pub
B) socialising; even the movies are better.
C) dvds on the telly so you don't watch pap and you don't watch ads.
 
My TV is used for:
1. Games
2. DVD Movies
3. DVD Shows
4. Sports
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Google (the number not the search engine). Watching Network Tv.

While Buffy was kind of crappy towards the end of its run, Angel remained consistently good and it baffles me as to why they cancelled it. Alias... not on until January. 24... not on. I remember when I used to hate Sundays on television because every Sunday there were never any good cartoons on (save the Disney special cartoon at the end of the day at 6:30) - the good shows were always on Saturday.

Well let's just say television viewing has been one big Sunday afternoon since the early 90s. :( :( :( :(
 
BeOnEdge said:
TV is quite worthless. the only thing i watch now is court TV. reality TV pretty much killed TV for guys. TV is for women these days. you ever see ads for those "it's good to be" shows on E or some crap? who gives a fuck? i dont care what jessica simpson has or how much she spends. it doesnt effect me. she does nothing for me. WHO CARES. For the past month or so the only time i've turned on the TV was for games. otherwise the fiance turns it on and i end up leaving the room because TV is just damn annoying more than anything these days.

Couldn't have said it better my friend. So so many good posts in this thread. I just got cable TV yesterday for the first time in like 6 years! I got it for the following....

1)G4/TechTV
2)NBA-TV
3)Cartoon Network/Adult Swim
4)TV Land
5)ESPN/ESPN Classic/ESPN 2, etc
6)NBA Leagu Pass

and finally,

7)Premium channels....Multiple HBOs, Showtimes, Cinemaxes, Encore, etc

But as far as regular local TV is concerned, it has gone to complete and utter shit. It's funny the way the networks get the impression that we actually give a fuck about what some dumb bitch or knucklehead does on some reality show. So, you can eat toast with roaches on it in Fear Factor. So, some dumb prick wins a fucking job from Donald Trump. So, you can sing your heart out and win a singing contract on American Idol. BIG FUCKING DEAL!! Are you gonna give me some of your earnings and prizes? No? Well fuck you then! I won't watch you make an ass of yourself infront of millions of other drones. Gimme my games....all day, all night.
 
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