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[DenogginizerOS]

I was just goofing on the Sonybots who think that everything is stupid until Sony does it, then it is cool and smart.

IAWTP

 

[Dsal]

Cobra Kai sarcasm!

:lol

I guess I didn't really think about it until now, but this launch lineup really is pretty good. Let's face it, we're spoiled as gamers. We all want multiple AAA titles on launch but given the past history of recent system launches that's rather high expectations for the 0th generation of games. If we're getting a decent group of A titles instead, that's nothing to whine about.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Mainstream media quoting bullshit journalists - SHOCKING.

This launch is the most impressive launch I have ever seen. The PS2's launch with the then "Next-Gen" Madden and Ridge Racer and promises of games like The Bouncer and MGS2 was weaker by comparison but nonetheless great. Christ, most everyday people bought a PS2 at launch to get a cheap DVD player that played their old PS1 games.

Yeah, I am probably hardcore compared to the every day Joe, but name one system that had more games AT LAUNCH that appealed to almost every type of gamer with almost every type of game.

bullshit journalist? some of you xbots really should take your heads out of your asses.. i was actually surprised by how well this mainstream piece was written.

 

[raYne]

He's owned one since 2003. Nobody said it came out in 2003. You fail at life.

Yes, he got it in 2003. I'm pointing out the fact that it has been 4 years since the system was released.

. "How much better can they make the graphics? I don't believe they can make so much progress in two years"

Who fails at what?

 

[thorns]

So SSX was the big AAA title of the ps2 launch , yet Oblivion, PGR3, COD, Kameo etc do not count as AAA titles? come on!

what about nfs: mw and king kong??

not the mention the full range of sports titles..

 

[bishoptl]

Let's try this again.

He bought his Xbox in 2003.
It is now 2005.
He can't believe that MS has made this kind of progress in the two years since he originally bought the console.

Nowhere does he state - go ahead, look - that the Xbox came out in 2003. Only that he purchased one in 2003. And your quote:

Silly mainstream "gamer", the xbox didn't come out in 03... :lol

takes a false shot at him.

 

[snatches]

everybody wants halo again but look at the xbox launch. everyone forgets azurik and bloodwake. that launch sucked ass. would you really rather have that again or:

PGR3/Kameo/PD0
Tony Hawk/Gun/Quake 4/Call of Duty 2
NBA 06/Tiger 06/Madden 06/Fifa 06/NFS MW
Oblivion/NBA 2K6
King Kong

That's probably your 15 launch titles right there. Now that shit is impressive. Any other console launch can go fuck itself.

PS2 and Xbox launch. NEVER FORGET

 

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

Let's try this again.

He bought his Xbox in 2003.
It is now 2005.
He can't believe that MS has made this kind of progress in the two years since he originally bought the console.

Nowhere does he state - go ahead, look - that the Xbox came out in 2003. Only that he purchased one in 2003.

I think what he's getting at is that the guy in the article doesn't believe that there could be that much of a technological leap in two years but in reality it hasn't been two years, it's been four.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

bullshit journalist? some of you xbots really should take your heads out of your asses.. i was actually surprised by how well this mainstream piece was written.

I was referring to Gamestop's official retail Game Informer journalist. i.e a bullshit journalist.

The article was well written, but not balanced nor thorough. Hence, why it is mainstream.

And I am not an "Xbot". I consider myself more a "sciencebot".

 

[Rocket Punch]

I see the Xbot damage control team is out in full force today. Interesting article.

The main problem with the Xbox launch is maily its reliance on PDZ as a killer app for the system when in reality is seems to be only a competent if not average FPS.

 

[eso76]

I honestly had always been thinking that halo looked like utter **** until i played it.

No, that's incorrect; until i reached the second chapter.

 

[bishoptl]

I think what he's getting at is that the guy in the article doesn't believe that there could be that much of a technological leap in two years but in reality it hasn't been two years, it's been four.

Hey, you could be right. Tell you what raYne, I take it back.

 

[raYne]

I think what he's getting at is that the guy in the article doesn't believe that there could be that much of a technological leap in two years but in reality it hasn't been two years, it's been four.

Yeah that's exactly what I was talking about. I didn't think I'd actually have to explain it...

Hey, you could be right. Tell you what raYne, I take it back.

No harm done. Now get to work The Outfit's taking too long!

 

[Wolffen]

I'm just going to jump in and say that if I remember right the media center abilities were going to be in the standard install of Vista. While that certainly won't effect everyone by a year or two from now there will be a lot of people with Vista PC (assumed based on prior history)

Let me add to that: the only thing that you won't be able to do from an XP PC is stream video; You'll be able to share/stream photos and music from a standard XP Home/Pro machine. So you'll be able to stream music shared on your XP PC as a custom soundtrack in games.

 

[kaching]

Here's the hypocracy in Andy's statement and a lot of other people on this board. Halo became the AAA mass appeal title AFTER the Xbox launch. Not before. It was scrutinized just the same if not more than PDO. Both by media and gamers at large. Now that it's such a succesfull franchise everyone is acting like they were already on the Halo bandwagon before the game even came out. It was the reviews, and word of mouth, and the sales which made Halo what it is today. I wanna see Andy's thoughts of Halo when they unveiled for the original Xbox back before launch. I bet you money it was along the same lines as what he's saying about PDO.

Where's the hypocrisy, exactly? You can't expect Andy to simply spot PD0 the benefit of the doubt and assume it will achieve "AAA" greatness on the performance of a game put out 4 years ago by another development team. He has to make his comments on the current state of things based on...the current state of things he's been given access to. Surprise. Whether PD0 goes on to beat the odds is an observation to be made post-launch, not pre-launch. As you point out, this perfectly consistent with the way Halo was treated and yet you portray it as hypocrisy. There's nothing wrong with the approach because there's nothing stopping Andy and others from noting any improvement that occurs between what they've seen now and what will be delivered at launch.

 

[Beer Monkey]

Let me add to that: the only thing that you won't be able to do from an XP PC is stream video

Not only that, but it won't stream high-def video without downconverting it to 480p. MCE/Vista is worthless as far as I'm concerned.

Better to save your money for a streaming media/DVD player that can play, from any network share, HDTV MPEG2 .TS, XviD, DivX, etc.

 

[Particle Physicist]

I was referring to Gamestop's official retail Game Informer journalist. i.e a bullshit journalist.

The article was well written, but not balanced nor thorough. Hence, why it is mainstream.

And I am not an "Xbot". I consider myself more a "sciencebot".

i thought it was balanced.. they talked about some positives and some negatives.. it seemed like you were pissed off because it wasnt overwhelmingly positive.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

I see the Xbot damage control team is out in full force today. Interesting article.

They quoted a yellow journalist and ONE gamer who drives a cab and probably cannot afford to pay the gas he is using to drive his cab. The article is fluff. Not analysis.

But fluff sells, and idiots agree with it and never question it.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

i thought it was balanced.. they talked about some positives and some negatives.. it seemed like you were pissed off because it wasnt overwhelmingly positive.

I'm sorry. Like a kiddie pool, the article is equally shallow and uncomfortably warm.

 

[bishoptl]

They quoted a yellow journalist and ONE gamer who drives a cab and probably cannot afford to pay the gas he is using to drive his cab.

Stop being an asshole.

 

[Particle Physicist]

They quoted a yellow journalist and ONE gamer who drives a cab and probably cannot afford to pay the gas he is using to drive his cab. The article is fluff. Not analysis.

But fluff sells, and idiots agree with it and never question it.

they also quoted John Carmack, Robert J. Bach, and Peter Moore .. the cab driver quote was just to get a casual gamers view in there.. and a journalist... is still a journalist.. whether you like the magazine or not.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

Stop being an asshole.

I feel for the cabbie. That is not being an asshole. Like many, the cost of fuel and healthcare in this country will have more to do with whether or not mainstreamers buy this system than the number of triple A titles it has.

 

[HokieJoe]

I see the Xbot damage control team is out in full force today. Interesting article.

The main problem with the Xbox launch is maily its reliance on PDZ as a killer app for the system when in reality is seems to be only a competent if not average FPS.

:lol

Since you've played the final cut and all, please give me your first-hand impressions.

 

[Rocket Punch]

:lol

Since you've played the final cut and all, please give me your first-hand impressions.

Why should I? Nothing I could say is gonna make you see things past your Xbot googled eyes.

 

[TheDuce22]

How can you possibly predict that 360 doesnt have a triple A title for launch after what happened with Halo. The game was trashed up and down till it released.

 

[HokieJoe]

Why should I? Nothing I could say is gonna make you see things past your Xbot googled eyes.

Haha, I was counting on you being smart enough to just leave it alone. That said, unless you can offer hands on impressions from the final game then why make such idiotic statements? Alas, you could not overcome the troll within.

And for the record, I have three games pre-ordered: PGR3, GRAW, and COD2. I haven’t made up my mind yet about PD0 and neither should you.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

The main problem with the Xbox launch is maily its reliance on PDZ as a killer app for the system when in reality is seems to be only a competent if not average FPS.

I don't think the X360 launch is mainly reliant on the success or failure of PDZ. Their strategy is to appeal to all gamers. The weakness for MS is they can't market the X360 as a "must-have" item that will appeal to all people because it lacks appeal beyond gaming. The PS2 sold itself based on its predecessors success and the fact it was a cheap DVD player. That got a gaming system in people's homes who then became gamers to one degree or another. This generation has a greater challenge and that is it does not have a new technology (Like DVD) to attach to it (Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are more for the hardcore AV junkies). Thus, MS is trying to appeal to gamers on all systems that are looking for new favorites and experiences. This pool of people will sustain the launch, but the months after XMAS are really mysterious at this point.

 

[Rocket Punch]

What exactly have I said that's so detrimental to your mission. I commented on the first 20 or so posters saying the same thing. That the article is crap. Xbots as usual are lashing out at anything that doesn't kiss mother MS' ass.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

Another NY Times article by the same author

Combine this with the article listed above, and I think it makes a more complete picture and a better article.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Another NY Times article by the same author

Combine this with the article listed above, and I think it makes a more complete picture and a better article.

did you actually read the article? ignore the flashy title..

"Microsoft means to change that in a big way, starting now. On Tuesday and Wednesday, more than 1,000 journalists, analysts and game industry executives are gathering here at X05, Microsoft's game exhibition, to see and play the games that the company hopes will propel the 360 into millions of homes in its first few months on shelves. The machine will reach stores on Nov. 22 and cost $300 for a bare-bones model and $400 with accessories."


and oh no!!! he quotes another yella magazine journalist from EGM!!!!


give it up.

 

[Particle Physicist]

"Many analysts agree that developers have had a positive response to the 360. Yet Paul-Jon McNealy, a video game analyst for American Technology Research, said that some game makers might delay the release of 360 games until after the holidays, fearing market saturation."


"In fact, Evan Wilson, an analyst with Pacific Crest Securities, said that demand for the 360 had already exceeded his earlier projections, and sales could make Microsoft's game division profitable over the holiday quarter.

But the 360's ability to overtake Sony, which dominates the game console market, by arriving first in stores is far from a sure thing. Analysts said that the first buyers of the 360 almost certainly would be hardcore gamers who would probably buy both a 360 and a PlayStation 3, if not a Revolution as well."



GODDAMIT MAKE IT STOP.. WHATS HE TRYING TO SAY>> POSSITIVES AND NEGATIVES IN ONE ARETICLE???!!! I CANT TAKE THIS UNBIASED REPORTING..

 

[gstaff]

PS2 launch line-up was saved by SSX

That game saved me for about 8 months

 

[shpankey]

I see the Xbot damage control team is out in full force today. Interesting article.

The main problem with the Xbox launch is maily its reliance on PDZ as a killer app for the system when in reality is seems to be only a competent if not average FPS.

Why should I? Nothing I could say is gonna make you see things past your Xbot googled eyes.

What exactly have I said that's so detrimental to your mission. I commented on the first 20 or so posters saying the same thing. That the article is crap. Xbots as usual are lashing out at anything that doesn't kiss mother MS' ass.

Is anyone else getting tired of people like this just slangin' generalizations around at will?

Make your point, that's fine, but please stop trying to denigrate everyone else at the same time. Please spare everyone here your bullshit and throwing the term Xbot around so casually anytime you see someone even remotely liking something Xbox. You're only stirring shit up.

Edit: Well, a quick look at his post history reveals he's a huge Nintendo fan (and consequentially, a poster who is constantly making negative remarks in lots of Xbox threads). Big surprise I know.

 

[Davew49]

What exactly have I said that's so detrimental to your mission. I commented on the first 20 or so posters saying the same thing. That the article is crap. Xbots as usual are lashing out at anything that doesn't kiss mother MS' ass.

From the tone of you posts, it seemes that you are the one with a mission. Question, why are you so "upset"?

DAVEW

 

[Davew49]

Is anyone else getting tired of people like this just slangin' generalizations around at will?

Absolutely.

Edit: Well, a quick look at his post history reveals he's a huge Nintendo fan (and consequentially, a poster who is constantly making negative remarks in lots of Xbox threads). Big surprise I know.

Well, you could figure it was either Nintendo or Sony.

I presonally just wish the level of conversation could raise quite a few notches. I really think it is worse now than when we had the Saturn/PSX debates years ago.

I digress.

DAVEW

 

[Stinkles]

The only thing wrong with the otherwise fine article was the LAZY reliance on the cab-driving demographic sample, and the idea that the id thing was somehow the most important. It's notable, but hardly thrilling.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

GODDAMIT MAKE IT STOP.. WHATS HE TRYING TO SAY>> POSSITIVES AND NEGATIVES IN ONE ARETICLE???!!! I CANT TAKE THIS UNBIASED REPORTING..

Like I said, these 2 articles sans the cabbie quote makes a pretty decent mainstream article. Fluffy and succint, with very little depth, analysis, or probing questions; just what the casual observer and gamer are likely to read.

 

[Wunderchu]

heh

 

[Particle Physicist]

Like I said, these 2 articles sans the cabbie quote makes a pretty decent mainstream article. Fluffy and succint, with very little depth, analysis, or probing questions; just what the casual observer and gamer are likely to read.

i actually didnt read your previous post.

just wanted to bust out the caps-lock.

 

[theREBELins]

What exactly have I said that's so detrimental to your mission. I commented on the first 20 or so posters saying the same thing. That the article is crap. Xbots as usual are lashing out at anything that doesn't kiss mother MS' ass.

I see resident Nintenboy is spending his precious time in the Xbox discussions...RIVETING COMMENTARY

 

[Optimistic]

What the hell? Oblivion is already GOTY, regardless of whether or not it releases this year or next. Dragon Quest 8? BWAHAHAHA. A boring, linear game with practically the same plot as the last installment was cool in like, '95. Comparing most Japanese rpgs to Oblivion is like comparing Pong to Virtua Tennis. And Chrono Trigger is in my top five games of all time.

 

[Rocket Punch]

I see resident Nintenboy is spending his precious time in the Xbox discussions...RIVETING COMMENTARY

Nice avatar you...

 

[theREBELins]

Nice avatar you...

:lol I'm just busting your balls

 

[blackadde]

Hm, interesting quote from Carmack. Regardless of how much hate D3 gets, nobody can deny the man is a coding monster.