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An Oral History of the Halo 2 E3 2003 Demo

Oozer3993

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Few E3 presentations have been burned into the collective memory of gamers quite like the 2003 live demonstration of Halo 2. The pulse pounding 8 minute long demo followed the Master Chief while he aided an embattled squad of Marines as they attempted to repel a Covenant invasion of Earth and showcased numerous additions to the Halo formula: dual wielding, AI Marine drivers, melee combos, vehicle boarding, a new lighting engine, and more. The almost complete lack of details released about the game for the next year combined with the dearth of campaign information all the way up to the game's release, only heightened it's stature. But come November 9th, 2004, gamers started realizing that the vision of Halo 2 the demo promised was one that the finished game struggled to fulfill. This is the story of possibly the most infamous E3 presentation ever, told in the words of the people involved.

Quotes have been taken from numerous interviews and articles about the demo and game. Citations are included at the end. All quotes are from 2003 unless indicated otherwise.


Planning and Development

Joe Staten (Director of Cinematics): When I started planning the E3 demo I found myself watching the Halo 2 announcement trailer over and over again. I find it's really helpful to look back on things we've done, and remind ourselves where we set the bar. We wrote ourselves a pretty big check with the announcement trailer - E3 will be our desperate attempt to cash it. [6]

Marty O'Donnell (Audio Director): A few of us got together early in the year to discuss what we needed to accomplish at E3. Lots of brainstorming and big crazy ideas (especially from Joe) which finally got winnowed down into a plan that was hopefully doable. At that point I started thinking about what sort of music and audio would be required to make it happen. Originally we thought that we’d do something similar to the 2001 Gamestock event where we had live gameplay choreographed to music being played off a CD. We weren’t sure how much of the new sound engine would be ready for a live test by May, but eventually we decided to have everything playing out of the Xbox from the Halo2 engine. [3]

Jaime Griesemer (Design Lead): We started planning for the demo back in February, and since we wanted to have as little impact on our overall schedule as possible, we wanted to use a level that was already in production. Of those levels, EARTHCITY had the largest range of gameplay options since it had infantry and vehicle combat. It was early in the game, so it wouldn’t reveal any major story secrets, and it had most of the vehicles and characters we wanted.

The best part about using EARTHCITY was that it was a natural place to pick up after the announcement trailer. It re-introduced the Marines and the Warthog, as well as providing a good place to bring in the Brutes. It was the obvious choice for the location.

Then Joe and I came up with a plan for the demo’s storyline. It’s surprising how closely the final demo is to the original plan. We had to abandon some of the really crazy ideas, but the main flow is the same. [1]

Joe Staten: The original script was pretty ambitious, and we were crazy enough to stick to it (much to the detriment of our sleep habits, hairlines and marital harmony). We really only cut one thing...and I'm not allowed to talk about it. Let's just say if you thought the Brute boarding the Warthog was cool, this would have been, without a doubt, too cool for school. Or at least too big to fit into the classroom. [2]


John Butkus (Animator): The animators receive both the script and it’s evil brother, the storyboards. From the storyboards, Nathan [Walpole, Animator] and I started blocking in the scenes for the E3 demo cutscenes. We would begin by creating a rough camera for the scene, then we put placeholder animations of the characters in the scene (nothing special, just a character in a single pose sliding around like Gumby). Once we have a rough cut of the scene, one of us would go over and bug Joe until he’d come over and give us the okay for final animation. After that, the time is spent making it look like it does in the final demo. As far as the in-game animations go, months were spent creating those and what is seen in the demo is only a taste of what’s to come. [4]

Hamilton Chu (Lead Producer): One of the things we've done a great job - or at least a better job - for this E3 is planning. So at this point in time, there are a lot of things that are much further along in Halo 2 than they were in Halo 1. The story is much further along, and a lot of the gameplay design is really far along, and inclusive in the planning for E3. For Halo [1]'s first appearance at E3 [in 2000], we made this ten-minute movie full of cool stuff, but everything that was in it we ended up throwing away. [6]

Joe Staten: Events like E3 have the potential to become huge resource bonfires, so I decided early on that whatever intro cinematic we used for the demo, it would be the actual cinematic we'd use in the game. [6]

Michael Evans (Chief Engineer): The story is what drove the concept of the demo. It dictates the design. The engineers strive to make the tools and system that allow us to tell that story. For this demo, we needed to do it in a way that as real as possible (meaning we were building systems that were good for the actual game). Then in the end we have to make it all fit into a debug box that has no more cpu/graphics power then a normal. So in some ways it’s reality that dictates what we can do. It is then really everyone’s job to make sure that reality doesn’t get in the way of what we want to accomplish. [5]

Hamilton Chu: We had an opportunity to take this strategy of thinking of E3 as two things we need to accomplish: One, to whip things up into a frenzy, and two, make this a drive to achieve something that would help the rest of the project. We're using E3 as a red-hot poker jabbing into the enormous mountain of newspaper, kerosene, and sawdust that is the rest of the project. [6]

Joe Staten: Each time we put together a trailer or a demo our process becomes more refined, and at this point we have our act pretty much down. Everything starts with the script. The script serves the basis for storyboards on my side of things and a clear list of tasks for the engineers, artists and designers. This demo was really a mission-in-miniature, so while Tyson was working on the gameplay section, I assumed my usual role as the "bag man"--collecting and assembling cinematic assets as they came on-line, and eventually delivering a "frame-accurate" version of the entire demo to Marty and Jay [Weinland, Audio Lead] for music and foley. Throughout this assembly process Harold [Ryan, Test Manager] and the rest of the test team pounded on the demo checking it for stability, and it's interesting to note that the build never crashed during its 150+ showings. [2]

Challenges

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Dave Dunn (Lead environment Artist): Most of the challenges had to do with performance and time. Technically we were pushing the limits and we were always walking the fine line between our ideal art goals and our target gameplay experience goals. [4]

Damian Isla (Engineer): We spent a lot of time getting the driving right, and looking natural. In the demo the warthog was being told to go to certain waypoints, but was deciding for itself how to get there. There is a LOT of code in there to make sure that the warthog is accelerating and decelerating realistically, turning at an appropriate rate, rounding off its turns appropriately, etc. I think we got it to a point where it looks like a human might be driving it, which is super-cool! [5]

Joe Staten: Well, the one big difference [between this and the announcement trailer] is that this one's actually in real time, so everything needed to work, and not break. And to a large extent, that's true. There are certain things that will break, but from the cinematic point of view that meant that the scripting I did really had to tie in with the scripting Tyson did. It was the first union of our two different worlds, and sometimes it got pretty ugly, but it was really nice to do this early in the project, to get that working, because that was the big challenge, the link between the cinematic scripting and the level scripting. [10]

Shi Kai Wang (Lead 3D & Effects Artist): The biggest challenges revolved around an ever evolving game engine that continued to improve as we were creating assets so the target was always moving. [4]

Michael Evans: On a single piece of technology side, the lighting was and still is the big challenge for us. It is the largest, most performance intensive feature and we don’t have the luxury of being able to use a faster machine and/or video card. That was on top of the fact that we picked a level that, while being very cool and fitting into the next natural part of the story arc, was not an easy level for us to do. In the end, that worked out really well and taught us an enormous amount about what we have to work on. [5]

Joe Staten: Coordinating the efforts of dozens of guys across a number of functional areas. The E3 demo was truly a team effort. Very few people sat this one out, and it gets complicated when lots of folks are trying to cram art, code, etc. into a single build in a limited amount of time. Ideally you want to stagger things--have assets hit in a nice, neat, predictable order, but that's very hard to achieve. Inevitably there's a mad rush at the end as people try to get as many cool things into the demo as possible--not the best thing to have happen when Marty and I are trying to lock things down, and spend some quality time together polishing the dramatic details. [2]

"It took two in the nose, then dropped into the atmosphere."


Official Xbox Magazine: The E3 demo is likely to be the talk of the show, in part because it takes place in a massive enclosed theater, not unlike the one Id demoed Doom III in at last year's event. A state-of-the-art sound system and high definition screen should hopefully drown out the surrounding bedlam of the year's biggest gaming event. The booth itself is a work of art, taking center stage at Microsoft's huge E3 area. But the E3 demo was built to show off gameplay, not graphics. When skeptics see this demo, they will claim that it isn't real and that it simply isn't possible... but it is real, and with Bungie at the helm, it is possible. [6]

Hilary Goldstein (IGN Editor) (from 2004): Each year Microsoft is good enough to offer journalists a pre-briefing, basically a rundown on what's going to happen at the press conference. So a few hours prior to the beginning of the Monday night show, we knew that there would be an eight-minute demo of Halo 2. Of course it would be at the end of the show, which made sitting through all of the other presentations almost unbearable. Not that there wasn't other great stuff -- this was Rare acquisition year -- but it's like watching an hour and a half of trailers before the feature movie begins. [8]

Joe Staten: It's an homage, really. Remember when we first showed you the Master Chief flying into the beach level on Halo [at Gamestock 2001]? We wanted to revisit that moment, but up the stakes to match the intensity of Halo 2's combat experience. This is an urban environment crawling with Covenant. The demo begins in a part of the city where the Marines are in particularly dire straits, and really need the Chief to drop in and liberally apply boot to ass. [6]

Martin O'Donnell: My favorite moment for this particular process was when our demo Xbox decided to revolt during the final dress rehearsal of the Microsoft Xbox Press Conference. The three VP’s looked a bit panicked. I, of course, was cool as a cucumber. [3]

Brian Jarrard (Community Lead) (from 2010): Probably my biggest stand-out memory was E3 2003 when we had the now infamous (and still awesome) Earth City demo, a majestic theater and we threw an awesome FanFest after-hours where we got a chance to cut loose with our fans. Jaime Griesemer went off script and was doing crazy demos in the theater. [7]

Joe Staten: Unfortunately, the thing that's missed most often (not by people who watch the demo, but by me who's playing it) is one of the damn Ghosts that appear right before the Marines' medical tents. The goal was to shoot the second of the two Ghosts in the air as it flips off the hood of the other Warthog, but invariably I would choke and miss "the shot" as it's become known around the office. Initially, I tried to convince people I was missing intentionally--that I was "cleansing my palette" for the next, and final pair of Ghosts. But when it became apparent that I couldn't make the shot even when bet significant amounts of cold, hard cash I had to admit that I (as Hamilton so politely put it) had no clutch. Indeed, in the run-through of the demo we're releasing on the web I miss the cursed shot, and one can almost hear the hearty jeers of my so-called Bungie brothers as I flail to explode the Ghost well after it hits the ground. [2]

Michael Evans: We made a choice almost a month ago to try and not cheat. Obviously, there's going to be some amount of cheating in anything, but there are many times where we had, well we could do this one way which would be easy, or we could do this another way which is gonna be actually useful after E3. We really tried to do that. That was especially terrifying in conjunction with framerate... it's pretty good now, and I think everybody up here on stage knows what it looked like three weeks ago. It's like a million times better. That was really rewarding to do in a non-fake way, because it puts us in this position where after E3 we can start making levels, and everything works really well, I can't tell you how exciting that is. It's so much fun to run around and play that thing [points at theater], I want to make five million more levels that are that cool. [10]

Tyson Green (Mission Designer): Nobody should expect a final level which plays or looks exactly the same as the demo we showed. That said, changes will be made to improve things, and not because the demo does things that we cannot actually do. Players looking forward to experiencing something at least as good as the demo will not be disappointed.

And remember, there was only five or so minutes of gameplay in the demo. The final level will be much larger. [1]

Hilary Goldstein (IGN Editor) (from 2004): It looked so good, seemed so brilliant, that a rather vocal number of journalists doubted that the demo was actually real. Some thought it was just one lone scripted cut-scene that wasn't the true game at all. I kid you not -- it was like UFO conspiracy theorists had supplanted videogame editors. And this went on throughout the three days of E3.

The whole "staged demo" fiasco continued through the end of E3. Because many believed it wasn't a true demo, there was a risk that Halo 2 wouldn't be considered eligible for E3 awards from various sites. See, most sites have a rule that they only give awards to games that they can play or are played by someone else -- as opposed to trailers.

At the last minute, literally as E3 was shutting down, various editors were gathered in the Halo 2 theater for a personal demo. Where the more public demo was a bit linear and was controlled behind the curtain our final demo was a bit different. We were actually allowed to offer suggestions on what to do. "Hey, toss a grenade into the medical tent." Sure enough, Master Chief can do that and kill his own wounded men. Throughout the demo we chimed in with a few variations just to make sure the game didn't explode. Thankfully, it worked just fine. [8]

The Aftermath


Jaime Griesemer: What E3 gave us was the sense that we still didn't have the target that we were aiming at. So after E3, instead of being able to jump into all of our levels and go right into it, we're still trying to figure out where we're going and what the quality bar is gonna be. [15]

Joe Staten: We came back from E3 with actually less than what we wanted too. We came back from E3 with a demo. We did not come back from E3 with a playable part of a level. That was really bad actually. That wasn't the goal. [15]

Shi Kai Wang (from 2010): The New Mombasa e3 trailer was such a hack that we felt horrible after we came back from the show. It just showed us that we had nothing, and the amount of work that we had to make ahead of us was astounding. Everything from boarding, double wielding, jackals offense formation, insertion pods. Most of those were all done for the trailer, none of them were really implemented in the engine. With clever hackery it was IN the engine, just not Implemented.

The high from the trailer died down real quick and led to the monumental task that we had ahead of us, a story that we didn’t understand, and gameplay features that we weren’t 100% sure of. [7]

Chris Butcher (From 2010): The graphics engine that we showed at E3 2003, driving around the Earth city... That entire graphics engine had to be thrown away, because you could never ship a game on the Xbox with it. Through putting ourselves through hell, we were able to do a five-minute demo of it, but after we came back from E3 we had to admit that this graphics engine was never going to work - it was never going to support the kind of environments that are really important for a Halo game. So we literally scrapped the entire graphics engine and started from scratch. [9]

Chris Carney (Lead Multiplayer Environment Artist) (from 2010): Even that whole environment, the Earth city, was way too big for the engine at the time. We ended up cutting out huge parts of geometry from that level, so you never actually saw that. [9]

Tyson Green (from 2010): Setting up the E3 2003 demo, which involved (among other things) madly deleting objects behind the person running the demo to keep perf up, writing a failsafe mechanism that would recover the demo in the event of a death or overturned Warthog, and one of my favorite hacks of all time in implementing the Ghost boarding sequence at the end. That hack (done entirely in script) was the first time we had boarding work in any capacity in engine. [7]

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Adrian Perez (Engineer): This was taken in January ’03 with the graphics engine we went to E3 2003 with. The ‘pstencil’ engine as we called it just barely poked along at 30fps after herculean effort. After that E3 we decided that the geometry/lighting fidelity compromises we would have to make to do stencil were too great, and we went back to the more traditional lightmaps + shadow maps we used in halo 1. [7]

Demos Never Die. They're Just Missing In Action


Frank O'Connor (Franchise Development Director) (from 2013): [Releasing the demo in some fashion] is and has always been a cool idea and you never know, it could happen one day. The code still works (albeit crazy buggy). [11]

Jason Jones (Project Lead) (In 2013): We could even pull out the old Halo 2 [E3 2003] demo. Like seven days before we went to E3, it was running at a steady five, ten frames per second… [12]

Frank O'Connor (from 2014): Yeah, we talked about [including the demo in the Master Chief Collection]. The content is all real, and it all functions. The problem is if you deviate from the safe, sort of bug-tested areas in any way, it immediately, instantly crashes. But we looked at it, and it was just, the experience itself, you may as well enjoy the video of Joe doing it. He’s playing the safe parts of it. If you deviate from that, you crash the game. [13]

IGN (Ryan McCaffrey) (from 2014): What about Halo 2’s infamous E3 2003 campaign demo that never made it into the final game? Might that be completed by 343 and included as bonus content with [the Master Chief Collection]? O’Connor replied that this was in fact something 343 looked into early on, but found that the remaining code is “so broken that…if Joe deviated a couple pixels in that Warthog run… it just breaks.” He added: “And the other part is that it’s demonstrating a bunch of stuff that isn’t actually in the game, like the way turrets work and the way dual wielding works. But it’s not completely out of the question for the future.” [14]

For more

For even more (videos of multiple run throughs of the demo, the warm up video featuring Sergeant Johnson, screenshots of early versions, etc.), see the very next post in this thread.

[1] Making of the E3 Demo (June 20 2003) Bungie.net
[2] Lights. Camera. Action! (June 27 2003) Bungie.net
[3] Halo 2 Aural Pleasure (July 11 2003) Bungie.net
[4] Making the E3 Demo - Art (July 17 2003) Bungie.net
[5] Making the Halo 2 E3 Demo - Engineering (August 27 2003) Bungie.net
[6] Official Xbox Magazine June 2003 pgs 22-39 (via Halo.Bungie.Org)
[7] One Final Effort (April 16 2010) Bungie.net
[8] Covering Halo 2 - An Editor's Journey (September 9th, 2004) IGN
[9] Better Than Halo - Making Halo 2 (April 11 2010) Eurogamer
[10] Bungie FanFest 2003 Q&A Halo.Bungie.Org
[11] Frankie's post (May 11 2013) NeoGAF
[12] Bungie Co-Founder, Destiny Creator on 'Halo's Greatest Tragedy' (June 9 2013) IGN
[13] New Halo: Master Chief Collection Info (June 9 2014) IGN on Youtube
[14] Halo: The Master Chief Collection Announced for Xbox One (June 9 2014) IGN
[15] Behind the Scenes Making Halo 2 Bungie on Youtube
 

Oozer3993

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But wait, there's more!

Videos

Direct feed video of a play through of the demo by Joseph Staten. This is the video released to the public by Bungie a month after E3.

Live play through at the Microsoft Pre-E3 Press Conference (Off screen)

A play through of the demo from the demo theater (Off screen)

Another play though of the demo from the demo theater (Off screen)

Before every play through in the demo theater, this small warm up video featuring Sergeant Johnson was shown.

The Limited Edition of the game came with a DVD with many bonus features, chief among them the Behind the Scenes: The Making of Halo 2 documentary. Beginning around the 8 minute mark, it devotes several minutes to discussing the E3 2003 demo and includes footage of early versions of the demo. Well worth a watch if you're interested in the backstory of the demo.

Pictures

Bungie released several full HD "screenshots" from the cinematics of the demo. Click here to see them all.


For the Halo 2 Theatrical Trailer, released in summer 2004, Bungie re-rendered the cinematics in full HD. Click here to see more screenshots from that trailer


The storyboards for the demo were uploaded to Bungie.net (Click for more).


A picture from inside the demo theater (via Bungie.org):

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Some screenshots of early versions from the Behind The Scenes: Making Halo 2 documentary. Click here for a gallery of screenshots from the documentary



Two renders from work on animation for the cinematics, released to Bungie.net:

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Bungie released a small montage of clips from the demo to the press during E3. The clips in it appear to have come from an earlier version of the demo, as there are differences in the the lighting and possibly slight changes in the design of the Elites. Comparison:

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This is a screenshot from an early version of the opening cinematic. Parts of it can briefly be seen in the Behind the Scenes: The Making of Halo 2 documentary. This screen was part of Official Xbox Magazine's exclusive cover story on the E3 demo that hit newstands before the convention.

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Miscellaneous

Audio outtakes from the recording sessions for the demo were uploaded to Bnet in 2003, including Joe Staten doing all the voices for a temporary soundtrack.

Before the convention began, Bungie did a play through of the demo for their new compatriots from Rare:

Brian Jarrard said:
The team from Rare gathered around and funneled into our brand new theater which was still undergoing some fine tuning and adjusting. The air-conditioning was also still being addressed so by this late in the afternoon the theater was extra warm and cozy. Once the demo concluded, the Rare team gave us some props and both groups had a few minutes to mix and mingle.

As eagle eyed readers may have noticed, Marty mentioned the demo crashing in a rehearsal. Here's some more information:

Inside the darkened, sound-proofed auditorium, the night before E3, Bungie employees worked feverishly to make sure the demo was complete, bug-free, glitch-proof and perfect. It had behaved perfectly thus far – and this was the final test. Right in the middle of the demo, it crashed. Not a freeze, not a stutter, but a big familiar blue screen, the most embarrassing type of crash possible. Code was checked, checksums rechecked – everything seemed perfect, but the game still crashed! It was a disaster!

Until that is, somebody noticed that the demo Xbox being used (a green debug kit) was sitting on top a giant hot subwoofer. Whether through a combination of its giant magnetic field, or perhaps the stifling heat of the LA Convention center – the box had simply given up. A replacement was grabbed from a pile of dozens, and the day was saved. Huzzah!

On my Christmas list: one of those "dozens" of replacements.

According to IGN, the giant Covenant cannon seen in the demo was meant to be player controllable at some point in the game:

IGN said:
The giant purple Covenant cannon that's attacking the building and eventually gets bombed will be a controllable vehicle. Most likely you won't be able to drive it but apparently there will be a need for you to fire giant energy blasts from a Covenant siege weapon.

As you may have noticed if you looked at the storyboards, at one point the demo was going to feature the classic Spirit Covenant troop carrier, affectionately known as the tuning fork. They were dropped for the now familiar Phantom for the demo and the game however.


The music for the demo was recorded less than two weeks before E3:

Martin O'Donnell said:
On August 2nd, 2002 I produced the music for the Halo 2 Announcement Trailer at Triad Studios in Redmond WA. The engineer was Steve Culp and we recorded a 32 piece orchestra and a 16 voice choir. I tend to keep my groups small and then overdub or layer takes in order to get a bigger sound. This allows me to have more control over the final mix and have better separation between parts for future music arrangements. On May 2nd 2003 I produced the music for the E3 2003 Halo 2 Demo at Studio X in Seattle. Reed Ruddy was lead engineer and Sam Hofstedt was second. On both sessions the musicians were contracted by Simon James who was also 1st violin, Marcie O’Donnell (my wife) conducted the choir and I was the composer and orchestrator.

Additionally, a special edition of the Halo Original Soundtrack was released in October 2003 that included a bonus DVD featuring music from the demo.

Two different pieces of music are used in the demo. The first is the Metropole movement of the Mombasa Suite from Halo 2 Volume 2. And the second is Earth City from Halo 2 Volume 1. Both have been rerecorded for the Halo 2 Anniversary soundtrack, as Skyline and Kilindini Harbour, respectively.
 
It's been over 10 years, and I'm still disappointed at how Halo 2 turned out, and how awesome it could have been based on the trailer.

And it would have been, if it weren't for Bungie's well known fuck ups.
 

Head.spawn

Junior Member
I'm just getting started, digesting all of this, but thanks for all the effort you put into this OP. I didn't know this much information existed on the demo.
 

Atilac

Member
Fantastic op, I watched that demostration a million times. i believe it came on a dvd with the halo 1 ost.
 

Betty

Banned
Great write-up but man, I'm still pissed Halo 2 wasn't even a shadow of that demo.

Seeing skyscrapers being shredded by the covenant as human jets screamed though the sky and a really lively, active battlefield was the most salivating thing ever after Halo 1.

Then we get the final game and everything on earth feels empty and dead, even worse we only get one level set on earth, such bs.
 

jelly

Member
Epic and packed OP. Nice one.

I always thought the E3 demo was more ropey than amazing except the start, jets bombing run and the end. The dual wielding and gun play didn't look so hot. It was a weird mix of hype and that isn't quite right. The Halo 2 magazine preview put my expectations way beyond reality. Imagination got the better of me and Halo 2 wasn't even close. I enjoyed the ride, nothing like it since.
 
The story of Halo 2 is everything* that is wrong with game development.

Throwing out too much working code, reinventing wheels, over-promising, under-delivering. They had a perfectly good** engine with Halo 1. Stick with that. Developers in all walks of life, games to business apps*** to who knows what else, are always seduced by the grand rewrite in the sky, the promise of doing it better next time, "yeah the old code works but it's ugly," etc., when they lose sight of the simple fact that your old product worked and people liked it. Instead, they throw it out, rebuild it, and find in doing so that it takes too long, goes over budget, and everybody comes away wondering why didn't some promise get fulfilled or what happened to some previous feature. Using the previous engine and staying within its confines would have been perfectly acceptable and the game could have been delivered sooner.

That said, Halo 2 was obviously wildly successful, so you know, cry more tears or whatever.

Regarding the actual demo, I never had a problem that the specific level or sequence was not featured in the game. (My problems were more with the quick divergence from First Strike, and fear that "the great journey" would be woefully unfulfilling, which it ultimately was.) The absence of the demo, the cliffhanger ending? Non-stories, as far as I was concerned.



*not literally everything
**not literally perfect, but it worked. If it ain't broke....
***been there, done that, dumb idea
 
A real shame that demo stage was not in the final, that fight off at the end could have been awesome if done right, it also had a bigger sence of dread to the war with people hurt and bleeding out at the landing zone.
 

HTupolev

Member
Epic and packed OP. Nice one.

I always thought the E3 demo was more ropey than amazing except the start, jets bombing run and the end. The dual wielding and gun play didn't look so hot. It was a weird mix of hype and that isn't quite right.
Yep, felt similar. The demo has some cool style, but the gameplay effects look janky, and the gunplay looks poor. It also seemed like they were trying to do lots of obviously-scripted "cool" stuff that would never work well for gameplay; I think that jackal formation moment stuck out to me as the worst.
 
This was the last time I felt real, legitimate childlike wonder and excitement for a video game.

Then Halo 2 actually came out and I've mostly been bitter and jaded about gaming ever since.
 
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Deleted member 309291

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Great job man. I still have the BTS disk from the collector's edition. Gotta watch it again.
 

Borman

Member
Awesome work. I still hope to track down a copy of it. I could get it playing on some piece of hardware here :p
 
I wish we could have a documentary/writeups/interviews about the release/development of Marathon, back in 93/94.

I love reading stuff like that.
 
Great OP, I remember being super excited about Halo 2 after seeing this when i was a kid.

For a long time i hadn't realized that it wasn't in the game and replayed the game wondering how i had missed a mission i remembered so vividly.

Still loved halo 2 even without it though (wish we would have gotten to try it with MCC)
 

op_ivy

Fallen Xbot (cannot continue gaining levels in this class)
that was such an amazing demo and i'm glad i was there at e3 to experience it first hand. even more amazing was what we discovered later on. its crazy that even to this day, with how development is rumored to have gone with destiny, bungie is still flying by the seat of their pants and wrapping up admittedly incredible games in the chaotic hurricane of crunch time.

great OP
 

LCfiner

Member
I started reading the thread and thought “why is the OP posting an entire site’s story without a link? not cool”

then I realized… oh.

Nice job organizing everything. Lots of sources. Great job!

I still remember watching that demo a dozen times back when it came out. boarding the Ghost was a real fist pumping moment.

That demo also taught me all about vertical slices and hacked together demos, in general :)
 

op_ivy

Fallen Xbot (cannot continue gaining levels in this class)
i hope i dont get in trouble with positing this, with 343/bungie peeps, fellow gaffers, or mods, but i admit that i downloaded the french release on a modded xbox before the game released proper. actually, the second i found out about it. yes, i did buy the disc when it came out... but man, what a wave of disappointment went over me upon loading up level 1 and realizing just how faked the old e3 demo was. i enjoyed the game immensely, even with a french dub lol, but i actually thought that something was wrong and the leak was a pre-gold version of the game with all the fancy lighting effects missing.

did we as gamers get ANY inkling that shit went wrong before the french leak? to my admittedly poor memory it was literally a surprise that the game was quite a bit different and the e3 demo wasnt in the game in any sense. is this right?
 

Longshot

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I was so hyped for that level when Halo 2 came out, I couldn't believe it. When I found out it had been cut from the final game I had never been so let down by a game before. It almost made me cynical. Never again.
 
It's been over 10 years, and I'm still disappointed at how Halo 2 turned out, and how awesome it could have been based on the trailer.

And it would have been, if it weren't for Bungie's well known fuck ups.

It's been said before but to get Bungies best work you need to give them a small timeframe and limited budget. When you say "Have 3 years and unlimited money" to them they churn out disappointments like Halo 2 and Destiny (halo 2 only disappointing in campaign, multiplayer was incredible).
 
Hard to believe just how well done that demo was!
Too bad they couldn't deliver it all for the final game.

The balance between cinematics and gameplay seemed really well done, and the graphics almost looked like it could be an early 360 game. its no wonder that they couldn't pull that graphics engine off on the OG xbox.
 
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