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mckmas8808

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Chevy Volt Bitches!!

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"I expected a science fair experiment. But this is a moonshot."
Chris Theodore is a wily veteran of the auto business, a seasoned development engineer whose impressive resume includes vehicles as thoughtfully executed as the Chrysler minivan and as tightly focused as the Ford GT.
As one of the consultant judges on this year's COTY panel, Chris brought the deep insight and professional skepticism you'd expect of someone who's spent his entire working life making cars. But our 2011 Car of the Year, Chevrolet's ground-breaking Volt, has blown him away. "This is a fully developed vehicle with seamlessly integrated systems and software, a real car that provides a unique driving experience. And commuters may never need to buy gas!"

The Volt started life an Old GM project, then arrived fully formed as a symbol of New GM, carrying all the emotional and political baggage of that profound and painful transition. As a result, a lot of the sound and fury that has surrounded the Volt's launch has tended to obscure a simple truth: This automobile is a game-changer.

ENGINEERING EXCELLENCE

The Volt boasts some of the most advanced engineering ever seen in a mainstream American automobile. The powertrain allows the car to run as an EV, a series hybrid, or a parallel hybrid, depending on how far you drive and how you drive. The secret sauce is how GM controls the powerflow between the 149-horse electricmotor, the generator, and the 84-horse,1.4-liter naturally aspirated internal-combustion engine. It's fundamentally different from the way Toyota handles things in the Prius.

EFFICIENCY

While it is entirely possible that a consumer able to use the Volt in pure EV mode most of the time could use no more than a tank of gas-9.3 gallons-a year (because as noted earlier the car will automatically start the internal-combustion engine at regular intervals to keep the fuel system functional and the gas fresh), it is not a perpetual-motion machine. It requires energy to move. Our testing showed that, in EV mode, the Volt uses energy at the rate 32.0 kW-hr/100 miles or a notional 105 mpg (based on the EPA calculation that a gallon of gas contains 33.7 kW-hr of energy). The internal-combustion engine sips gas at the rate of about 40 mpg.

In a multiday, 299-mile test that involved a mixture of normal freeway and stop/start city driving (no hypermiling) -- and recharging the car overnight, as most consumers would -- we used a total of 58.6 kW-hr of electrical energy, and 2.36 gallons of gas. Just counting the gas, the Volt returned 126.7 mpg. Converting the gas used to energy used (79.5 kW-hr) and adding that figure to the electrical energy used gave us a notional 72.9 mpg. That's impressive.

VALUE

All of that technology is expensive, which accounts for the Volt's $41,000 price tag. Engineering the Volt required considerable investment by GM in vehicle systems integration that would normally be handed off to outside suppliers and contractors. But the cost of the Volt's powertrain and associated systems will come down as GM perfects lower cost components and is able to amortize the development across a larger number of vehicles. Meanwhile, consumers can apply for a $7500 federal tax grant, plus state grants, where available, to offset the Volt's relatively high purchase price. And our testing suggests that even if drivers regularly went 80 miles between charges, the Volt is significantly cheaper to run than regular hybrids.

Using EPA average figures of 12¢ per kW-hr for electricity, and $2.80 for a gallon of gas, the Volt costs just 3.8¢ a mile to run in EV mode, and 7¢ a mile with the gas engine running.

CONCLUSION

The more we think about the Volt, the more convinced we are this vehicle represents a real breakthrough. The genius of the Volt's powertrain is that it is actually capable of operating as a pure EV, a series hybrid, or as a parallel hybrid to deliver the best possible efficiency, depending on your duty cycle. For want of a better technical descriptor, this is world's first intelligent hybrid. And the investment in the technology that drives this car is also an investment in the long-term future of automaking in America.

Moonshot. Game-changer. A car of the future that you can drive today, and every day. So what should we call Chevrolet's astonishing Volt? How about, simply, Motor Trend's 2011 Car of the Year.

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Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear..._year_chevrolet_volt/index.html#ixzz15TZSkN7y



Looks like GM proved all the haters wrong. :lol
One day we'll all look back and realize that it was GM that introduced us (the world) to the new age of automobiles. And they will have tech similar to the Volt's.
 

Raistlin

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mckmas8808 said:
Looks like GM proved all the haters wrong. :lol
One day we'll all look back and realize that it was GM that introduced us (the world) to the new age of automobiles. And they will have tech similar to the Volt's.

If you follow cars at all, you'd realize what hyperbole this is.


Not saying Volt is a bad car, it ain't ... but the above is BS.
 

Alucrid

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mckmas8808 said:
Looks like GM proved all the haters wrong. :lol
One day we'll all look back and realize that it was GM that introduced us (the world) to the new age of automobiles. And they will have tech similar to the Volt's.

I didn't realize what sway and power Motor Trend held.
 

Evlar

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Jamesfrom818 said:
Costs too much.

If I'm in the market for a $40,000+ car, finding money for gas is not going to be a problem for me.
Don't know about that... Hummer imploded during the last gas price spike for a reason.
 
Pretty cool, I kinda wish I could read more reviews on the Chevy Volt and some long term tests. Love the dash, not a fan of the shifter. Hope the materials won't have that chevy soft plastic material they often use for their interior.
 

Dali

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Jamesfrom818 said:
Emphasis on car, not gas guzzling monstrosity.
Yeah, the new Hummer was a PoS bad idea from the jump. Hey let's make a big heavy gas-guzzler in the same vein as the classic Hummer with none of the utility! File that one with the Ford Excursion under bad ideas that don't really dictate much outside of how stupid American car companies were at one point in time. Make sure you write really small.
 

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Evlar said:
Don't know about that... Hummer imploded during the last gas price spike for a reason.
The issue is the incoming competition.

Contrary to the OP, Volt didn't exist in a vaccuum. As a matter of fact plug-in hybrids from other manufacturers have been known about since before Volt existed ... or at least before it was known as being a hybrid (Chevy made it out to be something it wasn't).
 

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Raistlin said:
If you follow cars at all, you'd realize what hyperbole this is.
Not saying Volt is a bad car, it ain't ... but the above is BS.

So you don't think the Volt shows what the next era of hybrids will be like?

mAcOdIn said:
US GOVT moneyhats!

And the moneyhats were very worth it.

Jamesfrom818 said:
Costs too much.
If I'm in the market for a $40,000+ car, finding money for gas is not going to be a problem for me.

What if you cared more about your environment? And you know leasing the car will only cost $350 a month right? You don't have to be rich to have a car that cost that much per month.
 
Raistlin said:
Looks like GM proved all the haters wrong.
One day we'll all look back and realize that it was GM that introduced us (the world) to the new age of automobiles. And they will have tech similar to the Volt's.

If you follow cars at all, you'd realize what hyperbole this is.

Not saying Volt is a bad car, it ain't ... but the above is BS.

He may end up correct on the latter statement. The series-hybrid model of the Volt may indeed become very popular. They need to get the price down a bit and improve the efficiency in gas-mode.
 

Raistlin

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mckmas8808 said:
So you don't think the Volt shows what the next era of hybrids will be like?
That's not quite what I'm saying. I have two issues with what you stated at the end of the OP.

First, you seem to be under the impression the Volt pioneered plug-in hybrids. They didn't. Before the Volt existed they were being worked on.

Shit, the plug-in Prius is already in peoples' hands for beta testing.. And there are others nearing production. It's not like these materialized magically since the truth of the Volt (that it was a plug-in hybrid) became known.

The reason a lot of people were expressing disappointment over the Volt is for the fact it is a plug-in hybrid. Not that that is a bad thing, but the fact it isn't a revolutionary tech. Which is my second point. It's an evolution, and one that several other car manufacturers have independently demonstrated. How would this introduce the world to some new age?

To summarize, GM didn't introduce this tech ... and even if they did, it's simply an evolution and doesn't represent a new age of automobiles. Either the the Prius will be marked as a new age ... or possibly the Nissan Leaf will be the marker. Maybe both. Volt seems like more of a stepping stone than anything.




speculawyer said:
He may end up correct on the latter statement. The series-hybrid model of the Volt may indeed become very popular. They need to get the price down a bit and improve the efficiency in gas-mode.
See above.
 

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I have no interest in the Volt at all, I like my cars loud, fast and overpowered. But I have to say after reading several articles about the volt I am impressed. The price is the only huge misstep. But you can get about $7500 knocked off the price just by buying the car (government rebate).
 

mckmas8808

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Raistlin said:
That's not quite what I'm saying. I have two issues with what you stated at the end of the OP.

First, you seem to be under the impression the Volt pioneered plug-in hybrids. They didn't. Before the Volt existed they were being worked on.

Shit, the plug-in Prius is already in peoples' hands for beta testing.. And there are others nearing production. It's not like these materialized magically since the truth of the Volt (that it was a plug-in hybrid) became known.

The reason a lot of people were expressing disappointment over the Volt is for the fact it is a plug-in hybrid. Not that that is a bad thing, but the fact it isn't a revolutionary tech. Which is my second point. It's an evolution, and one that several other car manufacturers have independently demonstrated. How would this introduce the world to some new age?

To summarize, GM didn't introduce this tech ... and even if they did, it's simply an evolution and doesn't represent a new age of automobiles. Either the the Prius will be marked as a new age ... or possibly the Nissan Leaf will be the marker. Maybe both. Volt seems like more of a stepping stone than anything.





See above.
That's true, but the Volt will be the first mass marketed car that the average person will see that has this technology.
 

Raistlin

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mckmas8808 said:
That's true, but the Volt will be the first mass marketed car that the average person will see that has this technology.

I'm not sure that automatically matters. Prius wasn't the first hybrid ;)

Regardless some of the competition will be hitting next year, so it's really not a huge lead-time to begin with.
 

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mckmas8808 said:
What if you cared more about your environment? And you know leasing the car will only cost $350 a month right? You don't have to be rich to have a car that cost that much per month.
The lease is definitely the way to go for this car. While I normally would avoid leases, it makes sense here, as in three years, the Volt's technology will probably have improved substantially. Unfortunately for me, I live in an apartment, so I don't have a way to charge the Volt. That's the main problem these plug-in vehicles are going to face, at least until charging stations become widespread.
 

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Raistlin said:
I'm not sure that automatically matters. Prius wasn't the first hybrid ;)

Regardless some of the competition will be hitting next year, so it's really not a huge lead-time to begin with.

Yes but the Volt has been marketed to hell and back for the past 2 years. Chevy is blowing their wad on this car, and can't afford to have it fail.
Also Prius wasn't the first hybrid, but it's success had more to do with timing than anything else. The same reason GM's first attempt at an electric car failed. Car companies have terrible timing, usually because development time takes so long, by the time cars release there is no telling what the market trends and social situations will be.
 
The Volt now just won Automobile Magazine's 2001 Automobile of the Year.

http://www.automobilemag.com/featur...omobile_of_the_year_chevrolet_volt/index.html

2011 Automobile of the Year: Chevrolet Volt
From the January, 2011 issue of Automobile Magazine
By Eric Tingwall
Photography by Jim Fets

It wasn't a shoo-in. Quite the opposite, in fact. On its way to becoming Automobile Magazine's 2011 Automobile of the Year, the Chevrolet Volt endured more scrutiny and skepticism than any of the nine other semifinalists. From the unprecedented levels of publicity, we knew the Volt as a green-as-grass image builder, but we also couldn't ignore that it's a car built by a historically inconsistent automaker around unproven technology. The foreign aura is furthered by the fact that the Volt has no obvious competition and no real predecessor. It is genuinely an all-new car, in the most simplistic sense as well as in the greater notion that the Volt is unlike any vehicle we have ever driven. No apologies if we were a bit circumspect.

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This is great news!

Couple of questions, does this thing charge off a regular outlet or do you need to put some kind of special power outlet in your garage?

What kind of range does the car have when running in EV mode?
 

DonasaurusRex

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hmm just in time for the GM IPO.....car of the year awards are a load of crap from these mags. Im sure the Volt is a great car but we all know 3 - 5 years from now even the most progressive buyers are gonna be in outdated heaps and the Volt2 or whatever they call it will be far superior. Usually CoTY goes to a more mass market...mainstream car like the fusion, corolla, mazda 3 etc.
 
Jamesfrom818 said:
Costs too much.

If I'm in the market for a $40,000+ car, finding money for gas is not going to be a problem for me.
that's very responsible of you.

However, most people live at the edge of their means. I was at the Audi dealership recently looking at an S5 and had an interesting discussion with him about the A5. he told me most people buying into the "5" series of cars are opting for the 2.0T A5: the smallest engine version. I think 220HP or something (as opposed to the ~260HP version or the 330HP S5). Why? GAS MILEAGE. Straight up. That's a $40,000+ car...but people are gas-conscious.

the people who shouldn't be gas-conscious are the people buying gas-guzzlers like the S5 or sports cars. :D

and you get $7,000 back in credit, so the car ends up being much less. oh, and I hear the lease deals are phenomenal. haters got served.

Gary Whitta said:
This is great news!

Couple of questions, does this thing charge off a regular outlet or do you need to put some kind of special power outlet in your garage?

What kind of range does the car have when running in EV mode?
it can charge off of a regular outlet. but the higher-voltage unit can be installed in your garage and will charge it much faster.

DonasaurusRex said:
hmm just in time for the GM IPO.....car of the year awards are a load of crap from these mags. Im sure the Volt is a great car but we all know 3 - 5 years from now even the most progressive buyers are gonna be in outdated heaps and the Volt2 or whatever they call it will be far superior.
yes...cars get surpassed by future models. these volts won't be in anyone's heap pile. that's just stupid talk.
 
Raistlin said:
First, you seem to be under the impression the Volt pioneered plug-in hybrids. They didn't. Before the Volt existed they were being worked on.

Shit, the plug-in Prius is already in peoples' hands for beta testing.. And there are others nearing production. It's not like these materialized magically since the truth of the Volt (that it was a plug-in hybrid) became known.

The reason a lot of people were expressing disappointment over the Volt is for the fact it is a plug-in hybrid. Not that that is a bad thing, but the fact it isn't a revolutionary tech. Which is my second point. It's an evolution, and one that several other car manufacturers have independently demonstrated. How would this introduce the world to some new age?

To summarize, GM didn't introduce this tech ... and even if they did, it's simply an evolution and doesn't represent a new age of automobiles. Either the the Prius will be marked as a new age ... or possibly the Nissan Leaf will be the marker. Maybe both. Volt seems like more of a stepping stone than anything.
Meh . . . People were home building the plug-in Prius long before Toyota came out with theirs. And from what I've seen, Toyota's plug-in Prius isn't any better than the home conversions.

The Volt is a step forward. It can go 70 mph on battery-only power. Despite the hoopla about the engine helping at really high speeds, the Volt is different paradigm than the Prius. Not burning a drop of gasoline for typical commuting is a game-changer. I agree that the Leaf is a big jump but I think the Volt also deserves to be on the stage. Pure-EVs are going to be a tough sell in a much of the USA, so I think the series-hybrid will provide a nice stepping-stone for many.


I think high-speeds, air-conditioning, and heating may be issues that really cut the range for a lot Americans, so the series-hybrid model may work well. They just really REALLY need to get the price down a bit. $41K ($33K after tax-credit) is a starter price but only for the early adopters.
 

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Gary Whitta said:
This is great news!

Couple of questions, does this thing charge off a regular outlet or do you need to put some kind of special power outlet in your garage?

What kind of range does the car have when running in EV mode?

Range seems to be 25-50miles in EV mode. But I keep seeing different numbers
Charging can be done by plugging a cord it comes with straight into a socket. It takes about 11 hours for a full charge. However you can pay extra for the car to be 240V compatible and get a special cable for that, which takes about 4 hours to charge.
 
Gary Whitta said:
This is great news!

Couple of questions, does this thing charge off a regular outlet or do you need to put some kind of special power outlet in your garage?

What kind of range does the car have when running in EV mode?
This is another big advantage of the series-hybrid model . . . you can do just fine with a normal (120V) outlet. You'll be able to charge up over-night. But with a pure EV, an ordinary 120V just won't work . . . it takes more than just over-night to fully charge it up so you have to get a 240V charger for your garage.
 

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speculawyer said:
This is another big advantage of the series-hybrid model . . . you can do just fine with a normal (120V) outlet. You'll be able to charge up over-night. But with a pure EV, an ordinary 120V just won't work . . . it takes more than just over-night to fully charge it up so you have to get a 240V charger for your garage.
Man that sucks.
 

Doodis

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I would love to own this car. I'd also love to have $40K+ to spend on a car.

Sadly, neither is likely to happen anytime soon.
 
Technosteve said:
the car looks like i will cost 100,000 to fix if any problems occur i wonder if it follows the KISS principal?

Thats another thing. Dealers are probably the only places you can take it in for maintenance. Unless the $33,000 (after tax rebates) comes with a reasonably priced maintenance program, dealers will have Volt owners bent over.
 

Raistlin

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siddx said:
Yes but the Volt has been marketed to hell and back for the past 2 years. Chevy is blowing their wad on this car, and can't afford to have it fail.
And because of that it will automatically succeed and go down in history as the start of a new age of automobiles?

I don't think so.




speculawyer said:
Meh . . . People were home building the plug-in Prius long before Toyota came out with theirs. And from what I've seen, Toyota's plug-in Prius isn't any better than the home conversions.

The Volt is a step forward

[stuff]
Point to where I said it wasn't.
 
siddx said:
Range seems to be 25-50miles in EV mode.
yea, numbers vary because of external factors that affect all batteries: ambient/outside temperature, incline, altitude.

eznark said:
How? Car is still an overpriced piece of shit.

Oooh, the Volt is now in the elite class of the Caravan and the Prius.
that's right, hold the line like a good tool.
 
Jamesfrom818 said:
Thats another thing. Dealers are probably the only places you can take it in for maintenance. Unless the $33,000 (after tax rebates) comes with a reasonably priced maintenance program, dealers will have Volt owners bent over.
i doubt they'll have any more difficult a time than any other GM owner.

also, the $33k figure includes a replacement battery 7-8 years down the road, iirc.
 
eznark said:
How? Car is still an overpriced piece of shit.

Oooh, the Volt is now in the elite class of the Caravan and the Prius.
It is not a piece of shit. It is expensive . . . for now.

But even you, Eznark, will see the wisdom of the Volt within the next 7 years. Mark that one on you calendar.
 

eznark

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turnbuckle said:
It's expensive, but what makes it a piece of shit?

Mostly the value proposition. Also the fact that it's only an electric car below 45 miles an hour. Over that and it'a gasoline car that gets 33 mpg.

I'm not opposed to these cars (check my garage, my wife drives an Insight) but I do think the hoopla surround this car is overblown


But even you, Eznark, will see the wisdom of the Volt within the next 7 years. Mark that one on you calendar.

I hope so. Like I said, I'll bite when it makes sense. Give me a Tesla Pick-up and I am there!
 
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