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Dilbert

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I'm taking the day off from work, my car is in for service, and I'm stuck home for a couple of hours. So...here's your chance to ask me questions. (Yeah, this is probably a bad idea...but we'll see.)

Here's the deal -- there is no guarantee that I'll answer your particular question in the thread, but I'll try to answer as many as I can. The more interesting the question, the more likely I'll answer it. You can ask me stuff about my personal life, but try to keep it SOMEWHAT civilized. ;)

I'm gonna walk down to the village to grab some coffee, and I'll start when I get back.
 

Ah Beng

Member
edit: actually maybe my question was a bit personal.

uuh, who do you think is the hottest person on the program ER (Emergency Room)?
 

btrboyev

Member
Where do you live?
how old are you?
what school did you attend? major?
When did you first discover GA?


Blondes or Burnettes?
 
1)Are you currently married or have a girlfriend and if not, when was your last relationship?

2)What was your major in college? Was it something you knew you wanted to do or did you just pick it willy-nilly?

3)Have you seen Rachel lately? How is she?

4)What kind of keychains do you have on your keyring?

5)Have you ever sold cars in the Albuquerque, New Mexico area?

6)Is there any distinguishing characteristics about the shape of your head you'd like to share? A strange dimple or bump that is not the result of an injury?

7)You walk by a person who is bending down and notice a great pair of legs. However, they straighten up and what you thought was a woman was simply a man with an effeminate pair of legs (or perhaps you couldn't see them clearly, whatever). Would you laugh it off and forget it or let it haunt you for a few days?

8)If a computer genius somehow transfered the mind of his 9-year-old daughter into a computer just before she died and frequently talked to her as if she was still alive, do you think that would be endearing or creepy?

9)The integral of X^2ln2xdx is what?
 

DaCocoBrova

Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
What went through your head when you first realized that you were going bald?
 

calder

Member
I remember something from like grade 9 math that's always perplexed me. Ok, half-remember might be a better way of describing it:

[WARNING: MATH RETARD TRYING TO DESCRIBE SHIT HE NEVER UNDERSTOOD 15 YEARS AGO]
You know when you do graphing/geometry and stuff (like parabola or whatever) there's that one type of curve that approaches the axes but never touches either of them so it exists entirely inside one quadrant? My teacher said that, as lines do, they go on forever always getting closer to the axis but never touching it because they also reduce the angle or whatever you call it so the farther you go the more parallel to the axis they get - but they never truly become parallel.

My question is this: do you have any fucking clue what I'm trying to describe? I remember ALWAYS being bugged by that because, to me, if the lines go on *forever* and are *always* getting closer they must inevitably intersect... or else the curve does not in fact eternally approach the axis right? I just want to know what this thing (curve? parabola?) is called so I can try to figure it out again. I lack the vocabulary to even figure out what I'm trying to figure out is called or how to describe it, so you can see why this annoying memory has owned me for like half my life. ;)

SAVE ME OBI-WAN JINX, YOU ARE MY ONLY HOPE. Notice that being really bright (as you are) means ppl ask you the dumbest/weirdest questions assuming you'll know (as I'm doing)? ;)
 

3phemeral

Member
The Shadow said:
3)Have you seen Rachel lately? How is she?

I have that same question :p It's been a really long time since I've seen her. From time to time I wonder how she's doing. Argyle, too -- I'm pretty sure he posts here very rarely, though. Was fun having hot dogs at Anime expo 4 years ago or so.. has it really been that long? WOW! hehe
 

Bregor

Member
'When a stream of water falls into my sink, the water spreads out in a relatively thin layer until it reaches a particular distance from the stream where the water suddenly increases in depth. Hence, a circular wall of water surrounds the stream ... The same type of wall is made if the stream falls onto a flat plate, though the depth change is not as pronounced. What causes these jumps in water depth? What determines the radius at which a jump occurs? How high is the wall?' (The Flying Circus of Physics by Jearl Walker)
 

nitewulf

Member
calder said:

hyperbola. hyperbolas like Y=1/X will approach two limits. plot the function in your head...imagine X apporaching a huge number, you could tell that the value of Y will get smaller and smaller, but never actually reach 0, since the numerator is greater than zero...on the other hand as you let X become less than 1, as in let X approach 0, like .99, .9, .8, .5, .001, .0001...you will see that Y gets infinitely large, but X can never reach 0, because that is an undefined condition. there can be no division by zero. but as well, x could infinitely reach zero for all eternity...the number can ALWAYS get closer and closer to zero. .001, .0001, .00001...the more zeroes in the front, the closer the number is to zero! and there is no lmit as to how close to zero it can get, without actually becoming zero.
you know what, ill let jinx handle this, he'll be way more eloquent, and it is his thread. :)
 

bishoptl

Banstick Emeritus
Are you seriously considering moving to Canada should the political climate in the United States continue to shift to the right?
 

Loki

Count of Concision
nitewulf said:
hyperbola. hyperbolas like Y=1/X will approach two limits. plot the function in your head...imagine X apporaching a huge number, you could tell that the value of Y will get smaller and smaller, but never actually reach 0, since the numerator is greater than zero...on the other hand as you let X become less than 1, as in let X approach 0, like .99, .9, .8, .5, .001, .0001...you will see that Y gets infinitely large, but X can never reach 0, because that is an undefined condition. there can be no division by zero. but as well, x could infinitely reach zero for all eternity...the number can ALWAYS get closer and closer to zero. .001, .0001, .00001...the more zeroes in the front, the closer the number is to zero! and there is no lmit as to how close to zero it can get, without actually becoming zero.
you know what, ill let jinx handle this, he'll be way more eloquent, and it is his thread. :)

Hyperbolas are just one function that will have asymptotic characteristics in some regions, though, no? I think he was referring to asymptotes in general; hyperbolas would just exhibit a particular instance of that type of behavior. This is coming from my limited math background, mind you, so take it with a grain of NaCl (chemistry rocks more than physics! Or at least it's easier... :( ) :D
 

Dilbert

Member
Ah Beng said:
uuh, who do you think is the hottest person on the program ER (Emergency Room)?
I don't watch "ER," but from the website, I'd have to pick either Linda Cardinelli (who was cute as Velma in the "Scooby-Doo" movie) or Parminder Nagra.

Miguel said:
Texans or Chiefs?
Neither...NY Giants! If I HAD to pick between the two, I'd go with the Chiefs since a) my hot ex-girlfriend loves 'em and b) you just can't ever vote for anything related to Texas.

btrboyev said:
Where do you live?
how old are you?
what school did you attend? major?
When did you first discover GA?
Blondes or Burnettes?
I'm 30, graduated from UCLA with a B.S., Physics, live in Redondo Beach, CA, and discovered GA because I work with a former staffer. The rest, as they say is history.

Blondes vs. brunettes is more interesting. For whatever reason, the vast majority of the girls I've dated have been brunette, though I don't really have a "type." What I REALLY gotta try is dating a redhead. :)

Alex Anderson said:
Do all mods experience a blinding boost of self importance upon being granted mod powers?
I can't speak for anyone else, but this one sure didn't. I was flattered to be asked, and wouldn't complain if asked to step down. Hopefully I haven't been a complete dick so far.

Oh, and from now on, I'm banning anyone with avatars for any NFC East teams which are NOT the Giants.

The Shadow said:
1)Are you currently married or have a girlfriend and if not, when was your last relationship?

2)What was your major in college? Was it something you knew you wanted to do or did you just pick it willy-nilly?

3)Have you seen Rachel lately? How is she?

4)What kind of keychains do you have on your keyring?

5)Have you ever sold cars in the Albuquerque, New Mexico area?

6)Is there any distinguishing characteristics about the shape of your head you'd like to share? A strange dimple or bump that is not the result of an injury?

7)You walk by a person who is bending down and notice a great pair of legs. However, they straighten up and what you thought was a woman was simply a man with an effeminate pair of legs (or perhaps you couldn't see them clearly, whatever). Would you laugh it off and forget it or let it haunt you for a few days?

8)If a computer genius somehow transfered the mind of his 9-year-old daughter into a computer just before she died and frequently talked to her as if she was still alive, do you think that would be endearing or creepy?

9)The integral of X^2ln2xdx is what?
1) Not married; never married. I'm currently dating someone, although exactly when it started is a good question. I've known her for almost two years (introduced through my aunt who lives in another state), met in person for the first time a few months after that, and I can NEVER tell when you cross the line from "dating" to "serious." I wish there was a little LED or something which changed color when you passed certain thresholds in your life...that would be SO handy.

2) I majored in physics...as for why I picked it, that's a damn good question. I was seriously tempted to study literature for a while, but I'd just ended up taking a bunch of physics classes, so I figured, "Why not?" I didn't go into it thinking at all about future careers, or anything like that. If I could do it all over again, I would pay far more attention to the "I need to work someday" aspect of school.

3) Rachel is doing fine, though she's worried about the Dodgers. (For good reason, too...it's too close to call right now, and the NL West loser is likely out of the playoffs. But I digress.) Although I don't work on the same program, the word on the street/cubicle walkway is that she does an outstanding job. I'm always jealous that she actually knows useful stuff...I feel like I'm pretending to be an engineer.

4) I have no keychains at all -- just keys, my gym access pass, and the remote entry fob for my car.

5) Never sold cars...although if I could score a free BMW or Acura TL out of the deal, I might be ready for a career change.

6) I have a red patch on the top of my head which I don't think will ever heal perfectly. I slipped in the shower and carved open the top of my head with the shower door frame some months ago, and it seems to have left a scar. Also, I have "GA fo' lyfe" tattooed on the back of my head.

7) Laugh it off...and be haunted by the fact that I'd just seen a man in a skirt.

8) A little bit of both, but mostly endearing. I think people's reaction to that kind of scenario is largely influenced by their concept of what the self REALLY is. If you believe that the body is a vessel for the soul...does it really matter what vessel it's in? On the other hand, if you think the physical dimension of a person is just as important as personality, then I can see where you'd find it overwhelmingly odd.

I don't know what I think, actually...it's a good question. I might steal it at some point -- your check will be in the mail.

9) Do you mean the integral of (x^2) * (ln 2x) dx, or the integral of (x^(2 ln 2x)) dx?

AeroGod said:
Front or Back?
Top or Bottom?
Outside or inside?
fast or slow?
lights on or lights off?
Bush or Kerry?
Front, top, inside, fast, on, Kerry. (Hey, I think I saw a bumper sticker like that recently.)

Minotauro said:
How much money do you make?
:lol:lol:lol

My favorite question in the thread so far. The answer: Not enough so that I can sit home answering questions for a living...yet.

DaCocoBrova said:
What went through your head when you first realized that you were going bald?
You mean, other than the hair which was running away?

It wasn't any big surprise when it started to happen. Looking at both sides of the family tree...well, duh. Once I thought it started to look a little dumb, I just shaved it all off. There really isn't much you can do about it, and quite frankly, I don't think there is anything you can do about someone's biases. I'm sure a lot of girls find it to be a turnoff...and surprisingly enough, there have been some girls who told me that they thought it was hot. The big problem, of course, is that I'll have to find some way to climb the org chart without having "executive hair." I used to think that Dilbert was just poking fun about that...but I swear, it's actually TRUE.

ElyrionX said:
Can I get a tag?
I'm a mod, not an admin. Sorry. If I ever DO get tag powers, though...well, that's gonna be a fun day. :)

calder said:
You know when you do graphing/geometry and stuff (like parabola or whatever) there's that one type of curve that approaches the axes but never touches either of them so it exists entirely inside one quadrant?

My question is this: do you have any fucking clue what I'm trying to describe? I remember ALWAYS being bugged by that because, to me, if the lines go on *forever* and are *always* getting closer they must inevitably intersect... or else the curve does not in fact eternally approach the axis right? I just want to know what this thing (curve? parabola?) is called so I can try to figure it out again.
Hey, anything for a Morrissey fan!

The thing you're describing is called an "asymptote." An asymptote is a line which is approached, but never reached. In the case you describe (which sounds like a rotated hyperbola, something along the lines of xy = 1, as an example), you can say that the function asymptotically approaches the x- and y-axes.

3pheMeraLmiX said:
I have that same question :p It's been a really long time since I've seen her. From time to time I wonder how she's doing. Argyle, too -- I'm pretty sure he posts here very rarely, though. Was fun having hot dogs at Anime expo 4 years ago or so.. has it really been that long? WOW! hehe
See Rachel answer above. As for Argyle...do I know him? ;)

Bregor said:
'When a stream of water falls into my sink, the water spreads out in a relatively thin layer until it reaches a particular distance from the stream where the water suddenly increases in depth. Hence, a circular wall of water surrounds the stream ... The same type of wall is made if the stream falls onto a flat plate, though the depth change is not as pronounced. What causes these jumps in water depth? What determines the radius at which a jump occurs? How high is the wall?' (The Flying Circus of Physics by Jearl Walker)
Circus? Did you say circus?

"To me, clowns aren't funny. In fact, they're kinda scary. I've wondered where this started, and I think it goes back to the time I went to the circus and a clown killed my dad."
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
Loki said:
Hyperbolas are just one function that will have asymptotic characteristics in some regions, though, no?
Yes, but that's the specific type of function he was asking about.

Ultimately, Calder just doesn't understand the concept of infinity, and consequently asymptotes. It's pretty damned simple once you realize that numbers can always be smaller or larger, just adding zeros either before the decimal point or afterwards.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
Dan said:
Yes, but that's the specific type of function he was asking about.

Really? I must have not read the question closely enough, then. :)


Yeah, asymptotes and the notion if infinite (or infinitesimal) values can be mind-bending; I find that the folks who have trouble wrapping their minds around it are the same ones who never "got" Zeno's motion "paradoxes", because, at base, they're very similar imo. :p And I say that with the utmost love for Calder. :)


EDIT: Yeah, I just stopped reading when Calder mentioned that the axes get approached ever closer, but are never intersected; I should have picked up on the fact that it was a hyperbola by the fact that he said that it's a "a type of curve" (meaning a general class as opposed to just some odd function containing asymptotes), as well as by the fact that he said it existed entirely in one quadrant.

<bangs self on head> :p
 

Dilbert

Member
nitewulf said:
my questions:
*favorite novelist?
*favorite mathematician?
*favorite physicist?
*doesnt chemistry suck?
Novelist: Wow, that's tough. It's a tie between J.D. Salinger and F. Scott Fitzgerald. I would include James Thurber to make it a three-way tie, but he wasn't a novelist.

Mathematicians: Descartes (because he was also a philosopher), Euler (I mean, what can you say?), Fourier (for making so much possible), and Hermann Minkowski (because I owe one of my better poems to him).

Physicists: Aristotle (philosophy r0x!), Richard Feynmann (for being a genius AND a racounteur), Einstein (duh), Galileo ("...and yet it MOVES!")

Chemistry: It's pretty tough, but I'd rather do chem than bio any day of the week.

bishoptl said:
Are you seriously considering moving to Canada should the political climate in the United States continue to shift to the right?
Actually...yeah, kind of. I'm at a point in my life where I am still free to make big changes and try new things, and I've got a good bit of restlessness. If I do move, it won't just be for the politics, though that's certainly part of it. I'm also deeply concerned about some other aspects of America: the growing economic divide, the push towards a corporate-run government, the lack of a national healthcare policy, erosion of privacy rights, the cultural schism between urban and rural America...it's a long list.

I love America, and I want to see this stuff fixed. But it's getting harder and harder to actually DO anything, because the "big guys" in the equation dominate everyone else.

Also, once the NHL folds, you guys will be in need of tutors to explain good American sports like baseball, so this might be an ideal time to move! ;)

zodiak said:
Are you naked?
I took off my clothes JUST to make this post.
 

Bregor

Member
Bregor said:
'When a stream of water falls into my sink, the water spreads out in a relatively thin layer until it reaches a particular distance from the stream where the water suddenly increases in depth. Hence, a circular wall of water surrounds the stream ... The same type of wall is made if the stream falls onto a flat plate, though the depth change is not as pronounced. What causes these jumps in water depth? What determines the radius at which a jump occurs? How high is the wall?' (The Flying Circus of Physics by Jearl Walker)

Answer:

'The bore and the sink jump are both examples of an hydraulic jump, which is a surface water wave analogous to an atmospheric shock wave. Normal (sinusoidal) gravity waves can propagate upstream on a moving stream of water if the speed of the water is less than the speed of the waves. ... The ratio of the stream speed to the wave speed is called the Froude number. If the Froude number is less than 1, then the stream is "subcritical." If it is more than 1, the stream is "supercritical." The hydraulic jump is a wave that occurs where the water flow changes between being supercritical and subcritical. There is a change in height because the wave speed depends on the square root of the water depth. For example, in the sink hydraulic jump the depth is shallow inside the circle, the gravity wave speed is low, and the flow is supercritical. Outside the circle, the depth increases, hence the wave speed is more, and the flow is subcritical....'

If you enjoy interesting physics questions, The Flying Circus of Physics is great.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
-jinx- said:
Physicists: Aristotle (philosophy r0x!)

Chemistry: It's pretty tough, but I'd rather do chem than bio any day of the week.

Have you ever read any historical biographies of Aristotle-- as much as such a thing can be pieced together, obviously? I haven't, but I still wasn't aware of him making much of an impact on physics beyond having the dubious distinction of asserting that the rate of free fall of an object is dependent on mass, which was found to be spectacularly in error nearly two millenia later by Galileo and his discovery of the gravitational constant. Philosophy and early taxonomy (Aristotle was quite the botanist, from what I recall), sure, but physics? Any help with what else he contributed to the field? :)


I consider Aristotle to be my favorite philosopher, btw, and easily one of the 5 most brilliant and influential people who ever lived.
 

AirBrian

Member
When you and someone else you're talking with say something at the same time and they call "jinx" on you, do you automatically get to talk again since they said your name, jinx, to "jinx" you?
 

border

Member
Can you explain why some series are supposed to "converge" and some "diverge"? I was given all the rules in Calc2, but it never really made any sense to me. If you are always adding numbers to the series....all the way out to infinity.....then how can it ever converge to a single sum?
 

NotMSRP

Member
Infinity, covergence, and divergence are stuff you'll learn in Real Numbers Analysis class, which I think is the class that should have been taught prior to a regular Calculus class. Calculus becomes a piece of cake after having a deep understanding of the properties of the real numbers.

Covergence series are bounded; there's a ceiling and a floor to the sum after a certain term in the seq/series. So you know the sum total can't be a number outside of the boundary and only inside. As you make the boundary/borders smaller and smaller, you can find the "sum" since the boundaries is so damn small that the sum has to be a number in that small boundary. Divergence don't have a boundary as you zoom in. The numbers will step outside of the boundaries.

Another way to think about this is think of you holding a camera and looking thru it. You fix on some picture and zoom in. Find a static object you want to focus on and keep zooming in. No matter how much you zoom in that particular point you're focusing on should still be there. This is convergence.

Divergence is like a moving object. You can't zoom in and it to still be there. You can't zoom in while moving to follow the moving object. You have to stay put.

As for why adding certain numbers will never pass another number is like the boundary concept I mention. You start with one piece and then add another piece but smaller. The next piece is even smaller and the next after that is even smaller than that. And so on. Adding them all up, you'll see they'll never equal the size of the original piece so they can't grow bigger.
 

Phoenix

Member
SFA_AOK said:
You'll find a body under the fallen tree?

(Sorry Jinx)


Sorry, my silly brain...


"If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound if it falls on someone and kills them"...
 

Loki

Count of Concision
Ok, real question:


What is the best way to go about attacking physics problems. Forgive me if this sounds conceited, but I'm not used to actually getting question wrong after I've done the reading and (felt like I) grasped the relevant concepts. I've literally never had to work this hard for a course and still feel utterly incompetent (did well enough on the first exam relative to the class, but that's not good enough in my eyes; I care more about what I feel my own competence level to be in a given subject).


I mean, my professor is an ass who can't teach worth a lick; in fact, when I read your posts in response to that guy's physics HW questions a while back (the vector-based stuff), you were a hell of a lot better at explaining the relevant concepts and highlighting what information someone should be extracting from the text (in word problems) than he is. For me, I'm not sure what the problem is, really, but I am quite frustrated (despite doing comparatively well, as I said); I just don't feel like I should be having as much trouble as I am, which is less than others are having, but for me it's a lot.


When I read the textbook, I totally understand it-- the concepts and how they relate to the physical phenomena, the equations and how they're derived etc.; even when I do those "in-chapter" review questions, I tend to get them correct, and where I don't get the answer quickly, I follow along easily when reading the solution. But when I get to the HW problems-- which seem to be an order of magnitude more difficult than the in-chapter exercises-- it's an entirely different story. I get a good portion of them correct, but I just FEEL inept, FEEL like it shouldn't be as hard as it is. In short, I feel like I'm missing something crucial in solving these problems. By way of self-examination, I've narrowed my "problem areas" down to two (note: all "i" subscripts refer to "initial" values) :


1) I have some difficulty choosing the proper equation for the task at hand. On the surface, this would seem a trivial matter, because all you have to do is list the variables you're "given" (or ones easily derived, like the x- and y-components of vectors) and then find an appropriate equation that contains the variable of interest (the one the problem is asking for) along with the given variables and then solve for the unknown (either directly or by algebraically rearranging the equation). Fine...I'm there so far. :p


But what if there are two or more equations that can be employed, such as when solving for time (t) if given initial velocity and after having found the final velocity at some point P. Do you use t = (v(f) - v(i))/a ? Or t = 2 DeltaX / (v(f) + v(i))? (assuming you know the displacement along the x-axis)--- does it even matter which equation you use so long as your calculations in finding your "given" data were correct, or should you arrive at the same answer regardless? These are the things that the professor never coached us on; my mind says that any equation should do as long as the data you're inputting is correct and it only contains a single unknown variable that can be solved for; the professor did say that a problem can be solved in several ways, so that would seem to indicate that any equation is fine if it meets the above criteria. I'm not even sure if this is my specific problem, to be honest-- I just know that for some reason, I haven't developed an intuition for how to solve these problems yet. Does that just come with practice, or are there specific strategies that will aid me in getting there quicker is what I'm asking. Granted, I haven't devoted nearly as much time to the course as I would have liked (perhaps 5 hours/week, if that; I was planning on 15 per week, which it looks like I'll have to do :p ).


2) I have some trouble "equating equations"-- not quite sure if that's the best way to phrase it, but it's the best I can do. This manifests itself most visibly in problems involving projectile motion for two distinct "particles", like a gun firing a bullet at an object dropped from rest at some distance. If they ask for the time when the bullet will hit the falling object, is it just a matter of finding the x-component of the bullet's velocity (based on the trajectory and initial velocity), using that as v(xi), and then rearranging deltaX = v(xi)t + 1/2at^2 to be t = deltaX/v(xi) (using the initial distance from the object as deltaX), since the 1/2at^2 term is zero due to no acceleration in the x-direction? If so, allow me to continue...


If the next part asks for the height at which the bullet strikes the object, do you simply use deltaY = -1/2gt^2 (plugging in the t value obtained previously), since the v(yi)t component of the equation is zero? Obviously, you'd subtract whatever value you got from the initial height of the object to obtain the height above the ground at which the object was struck, right? This is just me thinking aloud, so forgive me if all this is correct (which it probably isn't)-- I'm just trying to see where I usually go wrong. Ok, scrap that (but I won't delete it in case I did something wrong and you can correct my thinking)-- I have a better example:


The one question I got wrong on the exam, which was worth 15 points (which is why I ended up with an 83; considering the class' 53 average, I'm safe :D), was roughly something like the following:


Suppose two people (A and B) are standing atop a building; person A releases a ball from rest. Two seconds later, person B throws a ball downward at an initial speed of 45m/s . Assuming that ball B must at least reach ball A before they hit the ground, what is the minimum height of the building. Now, this is where I feel that I would have to "equate equations" somewhere (because at that point, their y-displacements have to be equal) and just plug in the different initial conditions for ball B (the initial velocity of 45m/s and the 2 second lag), but I had a huge brain fart and just couldn't fathom where to begin or how I would go about such a thing. I figured that if I could find either t or either of the balls' velocities at the point where their y-displacements were equal, I could use that to find the height of the building (assuming that I knew the y-values were equal but did not know their explicit value-- because if I knew the y values explicitly for where they were equal, that would be the minimum height of the building, I assume). If the other problems didn't take me so goddamned long to figure out, perhaps I would have had more time for the strategy to "come to me"-- but that's my very point....these questions are taking me far too long to do, even when I eventually find the correct answer, so I feel like I'm incompetent. : /



Even now just looking at it, I'm just dumbstruck at how I can practically hear my mind churning and grinding to a halt when confronted with such a problem (which shouldn't even be difficult, really, considering that it's not conceptually complex). Yeah, if I stared at it for a half hour or so, it'd likely come to me, but I don't have that sort of time (on exams etc.), which is why I seek your aid. :) Even the more conceptually "difficult" (in quotations because I'm sure this all seems trivial to you physics geeks :D) problems involving relative velocities and stuff don't usually bother me the way this thing did. Weird.


So what do you say? Is there any effective strategy to solving these questions beyond just doing problems until your eyes bleed until you develop that intuition? I mean, I'll do that if I have to, and it's not like I did badly on the exam, considering-- I've just honestly never had this experience of feeling like my brain JUST DOESN'T WORK, or at least isn't perceiving the proper method of attacking the problems quickly enough. I've really been torn up about it, considering that I don't have this issue anywhere else-- not biology, not chemistry, not even math. Very annoying-- maybe I'm just too much of a perfectionist, but this really irks me. <grrr>


And btw, I'm sure that if and when you post the answer to that problem, I'm gonna hit myself in the head for being so stoopid and not having seen it earlier. :D It just feels like something doesn't "click". It was also only with great reluctance that I decided to ask for help with this. Unfortunately, I'm an extremely prideful individual, and am loathe to admit (especially in public) that I'm having difficulty-- however minor-- with something....particularly academics. Hmph. :p
 

border

Member
NotMSRP said:
As for why adding certain numbers will never pass another number is like the boundary concept I mention. You start with one piece and then add another piece but smaller. The next piece is even smaller and the next after that is even smaller than that. And so on. Adding them all up, you'll see they'll never equal the size of the original piece so they can't grow bigger.
Still doesn't make much sense. So what if you are adding progressively smaller and smaller numbers? They're being added out to infinity, so the sum is still getting larger (albeit in very tiny increments). I don't get how you can say it just converges at a particular figure when you are talking about infinity...
 

NotMSRP

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May be try out www.wikipedia.com first.

Add
.1
.01
.001
.0001
.00001
.000001
.0000001
and so on

You get .1111111111111111... and never higher than that.

Does this help a bit?


As for the physics guy, do you write down notes on the textbook? You need to write a mini version of the textbook with you writing what the book says in your own words and with comments and commentaries on the content. You really have to be interactive with the material and not just read the book before the assignment is due. Really get the vocabulary words down and really understand where all these formulas are even coming from. Don't take these formulas and concepts for granted. You should really work from the ground up and earn the right to use these formulas after you really understand them. And you really do need 15 hrs or more, not 5 hours, per week. You basically have to learn through experience to train your brain to think fast and click. There's no point in doing a million problems if you don't understand them. Better off doing a select few of varying content and understand every nook and cranny of those.
 

border

Member
NotMSRP said:
May be try out www.wikipedia.com first.

Add
.1
.01
.001
.0001
.00001
.000001
.0000001
and so on

You get .1111111111111111... and never higher than that.

Does this help a bit?
With each step you are still increasing by a very small factor. In this example I guess you could say it converges to 1/9, but I remember problems where a series could converge to a whole number, not some infinitely repeating fraction.....that's what doesn't really make sense. Perhaps I am not recalling correctly, and it always converges to a repeating fraction...
 

NotMSRP

Member
Convergences occurs for all types of numbers: integers, rationals, irrationals, algebraic numbers, and transcendental numbers.

.x
.0x
.00x
.000x
.0000x

x can be either 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9

This new sum will never be larger than some number.

As in the original case,
.01
.001
.0001
.00001
.000001

is .0111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111............
which is still smaller than .1

No matter how much you add infinitely, it's too small to make a diffference.

Here's one for a transcendental number, the number pi.
3.0
0.1
0.04
0.001
0.0005
0.00009
0.000002
0.0000006
0.00000005
...

A Real Analysis course helps tame the wierd and wild world of infinity.
 

border

Member
"No matter how much you add infinitely, it's too small to make a diffference"

But you can say that about pretty much a lot of very similar looking series....which do very different things.

In any case, if it is just a matter of picking some arbitrary cutoff point, then can't you do that for any series? They will all have some number that they will never be larger than, right (so long as they're fractions)?

For example, I was never sure why 1/x diverges but 1/(x^3) converges. They will both get very tiny eventually....1/(x^3) will do it faster, but if we're going out to infinity then what does speed matter?
 

Wellington

BAAAALLLINNN'
How often do you shave your head?

Who is the ex GA staffer you work with?

Who is your employer? :)

Why are you a Giants fan?

You seem to be very confident, were you always this way? I doubt it, so, what led you to become the way you are?
 

nitewulf

Member
well you cant always think of adding and subtracting sums to reach some sort of a limit. periodic waveforms, for instance are always bounded but they repeat themselves till infinity, no matter what you add. thats why you have a circular transform (euler's formula, Z transform) for sinusoids. they repeat, no matter where you go.
the example(s) posted by NotMSRP are very nice, think about them. i know its sorta counter intuitive to understand that you are adding something yet never getting closer. but thats just the way it is.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
Loki said:
But what if there are two or more equations that can be employed, such as when solving for time (t) if given initial velocity and after having found the final velocity at some point P. Do you use t = (v(f) - v(i))/a ? Or t = 2 DeltaX / (v(f) + v(i))? (assuming you know the displacement along the x-axis)--- does it even matter which equation you use so long as your calculations in finding your "given" data were correct, or should you arrive at the same answer regardless?

Btw, disregard the bolded portion above-- reading the post over again, I realize that you cannot know the acceleration without first knowing the time interval, which would presuppose knowledge of t, which is what you're trying to solve for (correct?). I was just trying to illustrate examples where there were 2 or more equations which would do the job, and chose the example too hastily.
 

Jak140

Member
What's the best way to, non-surgically, remove a racoon from your anus?


I only ask because this seems to be a frequent problem in the midwest.
 
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