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[AJUMP23]

In many European countries sick leave lasts up to several years, 30+ PTO days is the minimum, and you can't legally fire an employee without a justified reason.

The US have much higher wages on average, yes. But that's not because of unions.

Its cool you can enjoy the system you want work and live where you want. I prefer the opportunities and wages in the US. You can prefer Europe or Asia or Africa if you want. I think though Europe relies on the US for it's protection, but the US looks romantically at the culture of Europe and treasures it.

 

[Onironauta]

Its cool you can enjoy the system you want work and live where you want. I prefer the opportunities and wages in the US. You can prefer Europe or Asia or Africa if you want. I think though Europe relies on the US for it's protection, but the US looks romantically at the culture of Europe and treasures it.

Definitely. I didn't mean it as a competition. I meant that the letting go of the communistphobia could improve the life of US workers as well.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Americans often have the most bizarre reactions to unionisation.

 

[IFireflyl]

Definitely. I didn't mean it as a competition. I meant that the letting go of the communistphobia could improve the life of US workers as well.

Everything is a tradeoff. There is no perfect solution. Europe has 30+ days of sick time with employee protections to prevent termination without cause. The U.S. has cultivated a land where 95% of the population is one major hospital visit away from poverty. So, you know... pros and cons.

 

[Poppinfresh]

I would also like a reduction in the size of government.

This would automatically make all facets of life better.

 

[IFireflyl]

Americans often have the most bizarre reactions to unionisation.

You also have to keep in mind that unions in the U.S. are probably not like unions in other countries. There are a ton of unions in the U.S. that take advantage of the people within it. The problem with the U.S. is that the vast majority of its laws support corporations instead of the people, and "lobbying" (basically legalized bribery) is permitted.

If we had half the consumer/employee protection laws that are common in other countries, I imagine our take would be different. But most Americans agree that a company terminating employees solely for attempting to unionize is wrong. It's just that in this case, it appears that the issue was with leaking confidential information, not that the potential unionizers were attempting to form a union.

 

[Miles708]

Yeah that'll teach workers to ask for worker rights next time.
Who do they think they are? Humans?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Yeah that'll teach workers to ask for worker rights next time.
Who do they think they are? Humans?

But, they didn't though.

 

[Poppinfresh]

but the US looks romantically at the culture of Europe and treasures it.

 

[AJUMP23]

You don't look at all the great works of the western age, the enlightenment and the reformation and Davinci and the other masters with admiration.

 

[EverydayBeast]

GTA 6 just needs released

 

[Miles708]

But, they didn't though.

As i get it, they were caght discussing working conditions in some online forum, while also being union members. R* management rightly thought to use the NDA banhammer to shut them up and hopefully make an example out of them in the process.

I could be missing some stuff.

 

[Poppinfresh]

You don't look at all the great works of the western age, the enlightenment and the reformation and Davinci and the other masters with admiration.

I thought you were talking about Europe's modern culture.

If you're talking about treasuring Europe's historical culture, then yes.

However, if you're talking about treasuring Europe's modern culture, then HELL NO.

 

[Poppinfresh]

GTA 6 just needs released

Sorry, but I'm going to laugh my ass off, if some private or European government legal action aginst union-busting that didn't actually happen, ends up delaying GTA 6 even more than it's already been delayed.

 

[AJUMP23]

I thought you were talking about Europe's modern culture.

If you're talking about treasuring Europe's historical culture, then yes.

However, if you're talking about treasuring Europe's modern culture, then HELL NO.

I am always talking history bro. I am poppinold not poppinfresh.

History and what western culture gave has been the best. Now they are a shell of themselves.

 

[DeepEnigma]

As i get it, they were caght discussing working conditions in some online forum, while also being union members. R* management rightly thought to use the NDA banhammer to shut them up and hopefully make an example out of them in the process.

I could be missing some stuff.

They allegedly were sharing confidential information and are under strict NDAs. Especially after the leak R* suffered several years ago.

They were also not union members.

 

[proandrad]

Americans often have the most bizarre reactions to unionisation.

Because it accelerated many of our industries and jobs to be moved to China.

 

[Poppinfresh]

Because it accelerated many of our industries and jobs to be moved to China.

And the long history of corruption and organized crime, as well as communist influence in unions.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Because it accelerated many of our industries and jobs to be moved to China.

China took unionised and un-unionised jobs around the world. No matter how low you drive worker wages and increase their working hours, even if you deny them sick pay and holiday pay, even if you deny them healthcare coverage, China would still be able to undercut.

Whisper it if you like, but if companies hadn't prioritised making an extra dollar of profit over the livelihoods of citizens in its home then things might be slightly different.


I mean, that's one way you could look at it.