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Beating of 'Satanist' prompts hate crime charges

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shoplifter

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I used 'satanist' because it doesn't make it clear whether he's a LaVeyan satanist or not. Anyway, I think it's hilarious.


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/12/n...partner=ALTAVISTA1&pagewanted=print&position=

Beating of Queens Satanist Prompts Hate Crime Charges
By COREY KILGANNON

Ever since he was 12, Daniel Romano has cut a noticeable figure around Middle Village, a working class part of Queens. Mr. Romano, 20, who calls himself a Satanist, stands out, with his blue-tinted bouffant hairdo, his black clothing and fingernails, and the prominent crucifix, worn upside down.

Mr. Romano has long been teased for dressing like a "gothic kid" or simply a "goth," in a community with small homes, neat lawns and populated with many Roman Catholics.

But in recent weeks, two local teenagers began fixating on Mr. Romano, calling him names including "Satan worshiper," "baby sacrificer" and "hooker killer," the authorities say. On Sunday the verbal harassment turned into violence.

Mr. Romano, while walking on 72nd Street in Maspeth, was attacked by the two teenagers, the authorities say. Yesterday the Queens district attorney, Richard A. Brown, announced that the young men, Paul C. Rotondi and Frank M. Scarpinito, both 18 and from Middle Village, would be charged with hate crimes, which carry harsher penalties and are usually leveled when an attack involves a victim's ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation.

Prosecutors say they attacked Mr. Romano because of his religious beliefs: They thought he worshiped Satan. They were arraigned yesterday on charges of second-degree assault as a hate crime, possession of a weapon and aggravated harassment. The charges could carry prison terms of up to 15 years.

About 2 p.m. on Sunday, prosecutors say, the teenagers pulled up in a car and one yelled to Mr. Romano, "Hey, Satan!"

The authorities said that both defendants then attacked Mr. Romano - Mr. Rotondi using a metal club, and Mr. Scarpinito wielding an ice scraper. Mr. Romano was taken to Elmhurst Hospital Center, where he received 12 stitches. On Monday, he filed a complaint with police officers, who arrested the two youths.

At their arraignment yesterday, prosecutors asked that they be held in $75,000 bail, but a judge set it at $5,000 and they were released. An assistant district attorney, George J. Farrugia, said the defendants believed that Mr. Romano worshiped Satan and "over the last month and a half, they have had it in for this kid, and have been abusive."

Mr. Scarpinito's lawyer, Richard Leff, called the charges "an abuse of the hate crime status," and said his client had never been in trouble. Mr. Rotondi's lawyer, Sean A. McNicholas, said prosecutors were calling this a hate crime because of "politics and press."

"The kid is gothic with blue hair: He falls into a category of kid," Mr. McNicholas said. "At worst, this is a simple dispute between kids, not an attack on a minority."

"If the accusation was that he was black or Asian or Latino or Jewish, it's one thing," he said. "They see this as a religious practice. It's a dispute between kids, the same way you have the nerds, the jocks, the artsy kids and the teacher's pets. What's next? Someone being accused of attacking a preppie, or a nerd?"


In an interview last night at his apartment, which he shares with his mother, Mr. Romano said that he was raised Catholic but is now a Satanist. A hard rock musician, he attended Talent Unlimited High School in Manhattan and leads a band.

Mr. Romano said he was working at a bagel store last summer when Mr. Scarpinito, who worked next door at a hardware store, began making fun of him.

"My allegiance is to Satan and I hate Christianity, Judaism and Islam, but I don't hurt anyone," Mr. Romano said. "I take out my anger in mosh pits and S-and-M clubs. I think it's ironic that the Christians got violent with the Satanist."

His mother, Debbie Romano, 48, said, "I'm a Christian, but he went the other way; I don't understand his beliefs, but he doesn't hurt nobody."


It seems like the defense attorney is attempting to say that goths view their utter gothiness in the midst of a black pit of despair as a religion, so he's not really a 'satanist'. I really don't see how that's gonna fly, but I'm interested to see the results of this. Most likely we'll just get a plea bargain though.

I would support attacks on preppies and nerds as hate crimes though. :lol
 

LakeEarth

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Well I guess technically he's right, it is an attack based on religious beliefs. But if he's just a faggy goth kid and not a satanist, he's got nothing.

"Thanks guys, but I think I'd rather be a whiny little pussy then a faggy goth kid" - Butters
 

open_mouth_

insert_foot_
The judge should throw this case out of court immediately. If he really was a satanist, wouldn't he be happy that someone wrought destruction upon him?
 
The judge should throw this case out of court immediately. If he really was a satanist, wouldn't he be happy that someone wrought destruction upon him?

Satanists pursue individual self-improvement and worship themselves. They don't believe in god.
 

shoplifter

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open_mouth_ said:
The judge should throw this case out of court immediately. If he really was a satanist, wouldn't he be happy that someone wrought destruction upon him?

No, because he could be LaVeyan and the 11th Satanic Rule of the Earth is

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

Assuming he was not bothering anyone else, of course.
 

impirius

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Serious comment: People should be tried for their actions, not their thoughts. "Hate crimes" are blurry by definition and put the government in a position of legislating attitudes. Just try and convict people for what they do; that should be sufficient.

Now..
I take out my anger in mosh pits and S-and-M clubs.
I feel bad for the guy, but.. hahahahaha
 
Try again

Educate me then.



There are several types of Satanic belief systems. The most common is Philosophical Satanism, wherein Satan is not believed to actually exist, but is seen as a sort of mascot for personal liberty. Most modern Satanic groups, especially the COS, fall into this category. (It should be noted that some prefer to place this and similar groups under the label of "religious" Satanism due to their ritual practices) Satan is not viewed as a living entity, but as an ideal. Much of the thought behind this particular belief system is in opposition to Judeo-Christian ideals that are seen as weak or ineffectual. In philosophical Satanism, the emphasis is on individuation, personal growth and human potential. There are no pacts, sacrifices, or criminal behaviors accepted or encouraged, altohugh some do intentionally cultivate a 'spooky' or intimidating image. This type of belief is likely to be embraced by people who feel powerless in their every day lives, but this is not neccessarily true of the majority. In Satanic ritual magick, Satan embodies the principal of Set- the destruction of the ego neccessary for spiritual rebirth.

http://altreligion.about.com/library/faqs/bl_satanism.htm
 
Your definition seens to be that of Athiests. Satanists I would figure would have to believe in God since your standard Satan is part of the Christian faith. I could be wrong though
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
impirius said:
Serious comment: People should be tried for their actions, not their thoughts. "Hate crimes" are blurry by definition and put the government in a position of legislating attitudes. Just try and convict people for what they do; that should be sufficient.
Then you agree that 1st degree Murder, 2nd degree Murder, and Manslaughter should all be tried as the same thing?
 

shoplifter

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Your definition seens to be that of Athiests. Satanists I would figure would have to believe in God since your standard Satan is part of the Christian faith. I could be wrong though

You are. LaVeyan satanists are more or less atheists that believe in the qualities of Satan (the hebrew 'adversary') as those are the qualities they believe in. They don't worship 'that guy in a pit of burnin fire!' Satan as deity was a creation of the Christians, but existed far before that.

There are some people surely who worship Lucifer/Satan/fire and brimstone guy, but they're in the minority and are different.

http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/cosinfopack.pdf

http://free.freespeech.org/Ascendancy/websites/ascendancy/newmain/satan/generalsatanism.html#satan
 

shoplifter

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Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Then there's Satanist as in "anyone who doesn't follow the true church of Christ and thus follows the church of the devil".
 
Hitokage said:
Then there's Satanist as in "anyone who doesn't follow the true church of Christ and thus follows the church of the devil".

I've been a loyal member of the church of Satan for 18 years. Who would have thought it. Ahh Fundies and the Catholics always brightening my day
 

impirius

Member
Hitokage said:
Then you agree that 1st degree Murder, 2nd degree Murder, and Manslaughter should all be tried as the same thing?
Yeah, so after re-reading, I did a crappy job of explaining my position. :D "Beliefs" fits better than "thoughts"; I changed it because I didn't want to give the impression that I see racism, sexism, etc. as honorable beliefs.

As I understand it, the distinctions have to do with premeditation. It makes sense to punish someone who took the time to reason with himself and decided to murder anyway more harshly than someone who murdered in a fit of rage or who inadvertently caused someone to die.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Does it not follow that it also make sense to additionally punish people who aren't merely randomly assaulting others, but assault selectively or even in order to intimidate a group of people?

After all, "terrorism" is merely the addition of motivation and possibly organization to ordinary attacks on life and property.
 

impirius

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Hitokage said:
Does it not follow that it also make sense to additionally punish people who aren't merely randomly assaulting others, but assault selectively or even in order to intimidate a group of people?
I don't think so. Should a serial killer who murdered only 60-year-old women receive extra punishment for being selective? I'm feeling you on the intimidation part, but wouldn't that fall under their what they're trying to accomplish?

After all, "terrorism" is merely the addition of motivation and possibly organization to ordinary attacks on life and property.
With regards to terrorism, I honestly don't know. The concept of terrorism is so nebulous; it seems to change depending on the context in which it's discussed (law enforcement matter? military matter? something else?). I do know that I'm satisfied with the conviction Timothy McVeigh received, which was on first-degree murder and conspiracy to murder and some lesser charges. These seem sufficient.*


*Still thinking about this. Opinions are subject to change without notice. ;)
 
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