A bipartisan effort to speed approval of cancer drugs for kids passes the Senate with 1 no vote coming from Senator Bernie Sanders, Trump expected to sign bill: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...d-van-hollen-cancer-drugs-20170803-story.html
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Bipartisan effort to speed approval cancer drugs for kids passes, 1 no vote in Senate
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Glass Rebel
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Anyone wanna try to explain to me why Bernie would vote against this?
Didn't he also vote against the russia sanctions bill?
Maybe the bills don't pass his purity tests.
Probably because there's no provision keeping the pharm companies from charging whatever they want for these drugs. He's big on price controls for mess.
aren't pharama companies already looking to avoid another Mylan-EpiPen scenario?
FutureLarking
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Compared to prices in the rest of the world, that's still hardly good enough.
I suppose that's true
SpaceCadetKeon
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How did I know going into this thread that Bernie would be the 1 no vote? How??? Goddammit Bernie.
1.21Gigawatts
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In the US you pay about twice as much for the same procedures and drugs as comparable developed nations.
Thats literally the reason why no healthcare system that deliveres adequate care to everyone can be cost effctive in the US.
Long way to go before something like single payer or universal healthcare become even theoretically feasible.
IAmAnAgnostic
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I'd really like to hear Bernie's reasoning for voting against this..
That patented Bernie tunnel vision. Speeding passed the people to chase down The Man.
Chaos2Frozen
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I was thinking before I clicked on the thread- "Lol, don't tell me it's Bernie again- OH."
I'm starting to think his strategy is to vote 'no' on everything- If it works out in the future, no harm no foul. If it doesn't, he gets to claim moral high ground.
I'm starting to think his strategy is to vote 'no' on everything- If it works out in the future, no harm no foul. If it doesn't, he gets to claim moral high ground.
Reuters is reporting that Wal-Mart, Walgreens and CVS is leading the decrease of drug pricing in the U.S., generic drug pricing could decrease as much as 9% by the end of this year alone: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amerisourcebergen-results-idUSKBN1AJ1FK
I'm really glad the bill passed, drug regulations are a mess, and for something as important as cancer research, we should be trying to get it through four stage testing in the most efficient, safe way possible.
l knew Sanders was the no vote the second saw the thread. It's his shtick to vote no on popular bills on specific ideological grounds.
It's whatever. The bill passed which is what's important. In a vote that matters, I better see Sanders vote yes though. It's the same standard I hold anyone to, vote whatever the fuck you feel like pleases your constituents or personal ideological goals when it doesn't matter. But the second a vote does matter you best get your ass in your seat and vote in line with your party (or caucus or coalition or w/e).
Still, you know he's got a safe seat, because if he was at all at risk he would've voted yes. The look of voting against cancer fighting drugs for kids is mind bogglingly bad.
l knew Sanders was the no vote the second saw the thread. It's his shtick to vote no on popular bills on specific ideological grounds.
It's whatever. The bill passed which is what's important. In a vote that matters, I better see Sanders vote yes though. It's the same standard I hold anyone to, vote whatever the fuck you feel like pleases your constituents or personal ideological goals when it doesn't matter. But the second a vote does matter you best get your ass in your seat and vote in line with your party (or caucus or coalition or w/e).
Still, you know he's got a safe seat, because if he was at all at risk he would've voted yes. The look of voting against cancer fighting drugs for kids is mind bogglingly bad.
Maiden Voyage
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What clown. Pfft. Trying to get the pharma industry to make medicine more affordable. What was he thinking?
1.21Gigawatts
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Without non-profit insurance companies who are negotiating prices directly with pharmaceutical companies, it will never be enough.
Pharmaceutical companies will miss out on billions upon billions of pure profit.
Meaning that they are willing spend ungodly amounts of money to lobby politicians in order to prevent a system like all the countries with working univerasal healthcare systems have.
Tal Shiar Agent
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I hope none of you have any delusions Bernie could win in 2020, especially after this. The optics are horrific.
Pinko Marx
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Why do you say regardless of reason? The reason matters a good bit. You can't just ignore the why behind someone's actions.
Tal Shiar Agent
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You totally can, in politics. Doesn't matter why he did it, just that he did and it looks terrible.
Of course and I agree with you, but sadly the huge majority of people won't stop to read the reasons behind it, they'll just see the headline.
This is the problem with American politics though, you get awful shit named like "The Patriot Act" and how are you supposed to vote against that? I remember the russia sanctions bill thread with everyone WTFing at Bernie's no vote until it was revealed that republicans jammed a bunch of Iran sanctions in for no reason.
It's all so fucked up.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans create a Sanders attack ad and the ad says that Bernie Sanders doesn't care if children with cancer dies, and it mentions front and center that Bernie Sanders was the only Senator to vote no on a bipartisan bill to speed up approval of kids cancer drugs.
Subpar Scrub
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Yeah exactly. Better to get it now and address the price issue later.
the_darkness
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Because he's choosing to exercise those principles by denying cancer drugs to sick kids.
Fuck those principles.
Yep. But you know, purity tests and all that. Bernie can't see the forest from the trees.
Napoleonthechimp
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"Optics" is one of those adopted terms that gets right under my skin.
Subpar Scrub
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Just curious and sorry for the OT post, but because I know that medicine is expensive in America, roughly how much would 20 anti-biotic tablets cost in the US?
Yeah Trump looked great.
Yeah Trump looked great.
You're right. If the past two years have shown us anything, it's that the optics of a single decision are vitally important to a candidate's chances.
1.21Gigawatts
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Sanders is an idealist. He voted against a measure that would be a half assed fix in a broken system. But it would uphold the system he is fighting against.
His idealism is literally the reason why ppl like him.
They are tired of the pragmatism the rest of the democratic party uses to excuse the fact that there is no systemic progress on issues like healthcare, education etc.
People on the left and the right are tired of babystepping on the spot.
Thatswhy you see idealists and populists becoming more relevant on both sides.
His idealism is literally the reason why ppl like him.
They are tired of the pragmatism the rest of the democratic party uses to excuse the fact that there is no systemic progress on issues like healthcare, education etc.
People on the left and the right are tired of babystepping on the spot.
Thatswhy you see idealists and populists becoming more relevant on both sides.
NoblesseOblige
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What metric are you using for popularity?
The problem is there's no "later" and bankrupting families trying to save their children is such a bad half measure that you should try to control that problem at the same time.
Hell, what metric are you using for "hate". Just seems like a few people going "well that makes him look bad".
Subpar Scrub
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Oh shit, sorry, I didn't know that the price of medication has never changed in the US.
It's insanity to me that the US still doesn't have universal healthcare.
He's not? He is a proponent of giving cancer drugs to kids at a fair price. This law isn't about helping kids as much as it is to open a lucrative market for big pharma.
You fell into the trap of demonisation.
VendettaRed07
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Call me a skeptic but the fact that every republican, who, just a week ago, voted to kick 20 million people off of insurance in a single year, increase premiums 20% year over year, all for the sake of a tax cut for the weathy voted for this, leads me to believe this bill does not do what it actually says it does
What a useless, reductive take on the situation. Stunningly superficial.
Fuck Sanders for actually looking at the root cause of the issue, right?
this is exactly how these things are designed to get that sort of emotional response.
As someone said above it's why you end up with "The Patriot Act" a few weeks after 9/11 because who is going to vote against that?
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Forearm Star
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Maiden Voyage
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Blind hatred for Bernie overrules any reason or logic.
"B-b-b-but he made it more difficult for the queen to not get elected."
Not sure about 20. But a treatment of antibiotics (usually a week's dose, so about 7) from a name brand cost my mom 90 bucks without insurance when I was younger (more than 10 years ago). Not sure about now or generic varieties. Tag that with a 60 dollar doctor office fee. 150 bucks to get rid of a fever.
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