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Black Desert Online Closed Beta Thread: Works on F2P? No, money down!
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An easy guild quest adds around 400k silver to the guild bank, so if the guild is active those taxes aren't a big deal.
Dre_G_Writer
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awww shit. I must of goofed and fucked something up. Guess i'll have to wait till release and figure that out.
I agree 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% on the UI, its fucking garbo for controllers. I got a keyboard with a trackpad build into the side for this game and other MMOs when playing with controller from the couch.
I fucking deleted the beta........
Welp, i'll be down for that. Was an officer for the GAF Elder Scroll guide. Was pretty fun, but don't wanna do that again though.
Yea I agree, the combat in tera seems so................lacking now. I just didn't enjoy the game all that much, really. But I'm liking this sand box MMO style though.
Man the game graphics are amazing. Look at this dudes, face..............................LOOK AT IT.
That is during regular game play, just happened to zoom in on the character face by accident while standing in some field, talking to an NPC and saw just how detailed his face is, geezus.
WarMacheen
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How is it P2W, I didn't see anything in the store that would be P2W
Hellsing321
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The ghille suit seems kind of fucked up for PVP.
WarMacheen
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Hellsing321
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It's not stats But it hides your name and when you lay down in grass you're pretty much invisible to other players.
If you crouch or go prone, it hides your player name and you don't show up on the minimap. With the ghillie suit, you get the same effect when standing up or running around. I personally think it's rather minor, but some people see it as pay to win.
texhnolyze
Banned
Honestly, I can't believe they actually put stats on the cash shop costumes. It's a B2P game for god's sake. No matter how small/meaningless the stats are, it's still not acceptable for a paid game. Imho.
WarMacheen
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yeah, saw that. I didn't realize it was that good. After looking at some pics and videos, it looks great...if you have it lol
Feedback has been received, now it's up to them to see if they do something about it.
Austriacus
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The term p2w has become completely meaningless with time. Every individual has its own definition at this point.
Half the time even exp boosters and such are considered Pay 2 win...
Apparently getting to max level faster is "winning"...
texhnolyze
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Currently, it's not, but it's a start. ArcheAge and Rift, for example, didn't have P2W stuff on their cash shop either initially. The problem is, the moment players allow the little things, devs and pubs will eventually go to that route (as they think that they're allowed to do that). I'm talking about the service in the long run. I really hope I'm wrong, though.
It's debatable, especially in a pvp-focused mmo.
For example, if you can out-level others via faster leveling stuff, you may have a better chance defeating the lower-leveled players in the arena/siege. The faster you progress in a game (with better stats and gears due to higher level), the higher the gap between you and the rest of average players. Yes, they'll eventually catch you up, but leveling in Black Desert is very grindy especially post level 50. However, I still have no idea how the game scale pvp arena and siege, so I may be wrong on this.
texhnolyze
Banned
Um... I just saw mention of Energy...
Does... does this game have another one of those stupid energy systems where it goes: "Oh you want to play more? Go fuck yourself"?
I may skip this then...
Yes, but iirc it's not used for leveling. Only for gathering and side activities.
Well, the problem is, this game is a sandbox and you'll do lots of those side activities if you're into that stuff (or just want to get wealthy).
Why... Why do they do this. I've been seeing this more and more in games lately and it's starting to become real bullshit. The only game I've seen that removed it was freaking Vindictus (in that case, you literally couldn't play anymore after running out of your daily tokens.)
Is it a Korean to Western thing? If so, just remove it for the west!
piratepwnsninja
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I really wish there was a good guide describing all of the games systems, specifically in regard to the U.S./EU version. Like, I want to know more about nodes and crafting and gathering. I'd like information on what version of the PvP were getting. Housing, taming...Stuff like that. I really enjoyed the game and do love sandboxes. I bought in at the highest level. I just want to know how to focus when I start playing.
It's a Korean thing in general.
It's actually not that bad as you think. You get 1 energy back every 3 minutes while you play (and trust me, it comes back pretty quick), and you get energy for questing, you can increase your maximum energy over time, you regen energy while offline, etc.
It's not that hard to keep up the momentum. You'll always log on with maximum energy.
piratepwnsninja
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They're actually using it to control the in game economy, so it isn't for monetary gain on their part, as it isn't something you can pay real money to get, either.
The game had been out for a few years and it doesn't have any element P2W in KR/JP/RU.
Maybe you should look here
Aadrian1234
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Reading the guild system, i have a few questions
You have to accept a contract for a guild, and there's a fee for quitting, or you get compensated by getting kicked. Each person has a daily paycheck, does that come out of the guild funds? Is the guild "tax" the paychecks, or is that a separate fee? And the contracts can both be extended and the payment amount can be changed by leader/ second in command, right?
The 0 day contract, does that enter you in the guild without you needing to pay the contract fee and get daily allowances?
Does guild karma count if you are attacked first in world pvp?
You have to accept a contract for a guild, and there's a fee for quitting, or you get compensated by getting kicked. Each person has a daily paycheck, does that come out of the guild funds? Is the guild "tax" the paychecks, or is that a separate fee? And the contracts can both be extended and the payment amount can be changed by leader/ second in command, right?
The 0 day contract, does that enter you in the guild without you needing to pay the contract fee and get daily allowances?
Does guild karma count if you are attacked first in world pvp?
Energy is not too bad once you figure out how to use your workers. I had several workers harvesting for me. Like copper and potatoes for beer. You can even set them up for crafting stuff for you from what I have read. Before the end of beta I had 700 potatoes and crafted a shit ton of beer for my workers.
Focus on learning how to use your workers if you want to craft. They help a crap ton and allow you to use your energy for other things.
Focus on learning how to use your workers if you want to craft. They help a crap ton and allow you to use your energy for other things.
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
It isnt what you think it is. It is a resource the player has to manage, not something that stops you from playing.
I stopped here...
Both minimum and recommended specs are just lies.
Well minimum probably is true, just too literal, and recommended probably its high with 30 fps.
1) It does come out of the guild funds, right now my guild is making an agreement not to "cash out" our daily funds until we've built the guild up as you HAVE to be on contract to earn the guild points/leveling up, not being on a contract just puts you in the guild, but you don't help it.
2) Guild Tax is separate from paychecks.
3) Yes
4)See above
5) No idea on the karam part sadly.
Server structure for release is going to be similar to cbt2.
2 servers with 9 channels each.
Also an interesting comparison between the RU and NA/EU model.
http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/19748-b2pp2p-model-gamenet-vs-daum-eu/
I wish i wouldnt see red flags all over this :c
2 servers with 9 channels each.
Also an interesting comparison between the RU and NA/EU model.
http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/19748-b2pp2p-model-gamenet-vs-daum-eu/
I wish i wouldnt see red flags all over this :c
Um... I just saw mention of Energy...
Does... does this game have another one of those stupid energy systems where it goes: "Oh you want to play more? Go fuck yourself"?
I may skip this then...
I actually couldnt chat at some point because I had no energy left...chatting costs 1 energy lol...
That's to prevent gold spam/spam in general for the most part.
Dre_G_Writer
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Ooooohhh, so that's probably why I couldn't chat in the beta. I thought it had a system where low level characters can't chat in zone wide channels.
Global chat costing energy is the best idea. Anything to reduce the massive amount of meme spam, trump jokes, or just plain vulgar jokes (huhu rape). I don't even care about gold spam. The other shit is far more irritating.
The sooner those fools spend all their energy on that crap, the better. If they want to hinder their progress by spamming chat with it for a bit, go ahead.
The sooner those fools spend all their energy on that crap, the better. If they want to hinder their progress by spamming chat with it for a bit, go ahead.
This is false. You could buy in game gold at the start in Archeage (Apex). The only way to get good gear in that game was through buying gold. Farming enough cash to pay for it was impossible.
You also had to buy the regrade stuff through the shop.
It takes 14-20 hours to hit 50. Without bonuses.
But its all about the grind post 50.
Austriacus
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When you grind post 51 you should focus on making money, levels will come naturally.
You are completely useless if you are lvl 53 with 40 atack and 60 defence.
WaterAstro
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Well, it's relatively the same thing as "WoW dailies". Do the dailies for the day and wait for tomorrow, or use your energy on what you want to do and wait for it to recharge.
Both are ultimately used to advance your character, but Black Desert let's you choose.
Wait, I just glanced at it. Isn't vigor shared? The guide says to make level 1 alts so they can regen vigor separately.
No energy isn't shared across characters. What is shared is the size of the energy bar. So for example if you did some quests on you main that increased the maximum energy you could hold by 10, you alts would also have this benefit without having to do the quest again.
WaterAstro
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Huh, it felt shared during CBT. I was only playing 2 characters though.
Wait, this means character slots = P2W!
!!!Well, you should stop worry about them spamming. What you should worry about would be telling Joel to get his ass on Skype.
There is some crazy negativity and missinformation in this thread (not surprised with that many different versions of the game and a drastically different end game compared to other mmos as well as the "fear" of ptw)
So to lighten up the mood:
Share your characters!
Are we going to have an EU guild? Would be awesome, I continue to have great fun with the (small) Blade and Soul EU guild.
So to lighten up the mood:
Share your characters!
I completely forgot to take non character selection screens of everyone but my witch...
Are we going to have an EU guild? Would be awesome, I continue to have great fun with the (small) Blade and Soul EU guild.
WaterAstro
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I remember there is a Character Creator program. Can we use it to set up our character for launch?
They shut it down yesterday, so you can't until they either open it back up or the game launches. Had hoped to be able to play around with it some before launch myself.
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