Bloomberg: Switch 2 hasn't provided expected boost to outside developers. They complain game-key cards.
Guardian Monkey
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Can't they choose not to use game key card?
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cost that are the issue, nm
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cost that are the issue, nm
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Generic
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Switch 2 cards are expensive.
Guardian Monkey
Member
Got it
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
Switch 2 might need to release an optical drive add on.
I'm not even joking, Release an optical drive that you connect with USB C dock and move the game to your internal memory.
I'm not even joking, Release an optical drive that you connect with USB C dock and move the game to your internal memory.
Then the game becomes unplayable in handheld mode away from internet connections, which would make it a worse idea than GKCs.
Once you download the game you don't need to be connected online at all for it to work. The GKC needs to be in the slot and you're perfectly fine. What exact issue are you having?
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digimaster7
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???????? if the end result is copying the game to the internal memory then might as well just buy the digital version
Fake
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He asked the two NS to be connected on the internet. There are people over the internet having the same problem, even John Linneman from Digital Foundry reported have this issue.
Game key card is trash dude. Nintendo doesn't have infrastructure to make this shit work.
Punished Miku
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Game key card is absolutely not a factor at all. Most people are digital now.
I still don't know what the hell you're talking about. What exact issue are you having with GKC? I have two games that are GKC and it requires an internet connection to download and after that you can play offline as long as the cart is inserted.
What exactly is the issue you are having?
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Magic Carpet
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You guys are not making it easy for me to want to get a Switch 2.
For now I'm staying away.
I don't even know or understand what I need to do to get my games from Switch 1 to Switch 2. My take away is to simply not buy a Switch 2.
Not on Switch..
To get your Switch 1 games onto Switch 2 you buy a switch 2 and set it up as your new system and transfer all the licenses to the new system. That's not an issue. The only issue regarding Switch 2 is some physical games not being physical on cart, but GKCs instead, which stinks, but at last it still has resale value.
Punished Miku
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It's a fair point, but I personally just don't believe that is the cause at all.
I think casuals haven't jumped to Switch 2 yet. Only casuals are in the market for a late full price port of games available on other systems. Hardcore gamers got the Switch 2, and they likely are not ever buying a single game that isn't a Nintendo 1st party exclusive, since they learned from Switch 1 that everything eventually comes over. The other reason is poor economy globally.
Mister Wolf
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They really shit the bed with the lack of docked VRR and only having one size game card available to publishers.
Diseased Yak
Gold Member
Yup, not to mention the slow read speed of the game cards being slow enough that devs like Ubisoft (for Star Wars Outlaws) couldn't use game cards even when they wanted to due to how slow data moves off the cards compared to on-board storage/sd express cards.
Just really a total fuck up. So many folks out there supporting physical Switch 1 releases left and right and now this...
Fake
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I gonna make very simple to you to understand.
I want to use the Virtual Game Card on my main Nintendo Switch Lite. I can't use because the virtual game card is already inserted in the other Nintendo Switch OLED. He (Nintendo) ask the two Nintendo Switch to stay connected to the internet for the 'fictional' game card to be 'fictional' removed from the Nintendo Switch OLED and be 'fictional' inserted on my main Nintendo Switch Lite.
The problem is, those two are connected to the internet, no one is playing the game on both sides (Lite, OLED), and Nintendo just keep saying one Nintendo Switch (OLED) is not connected to the internet. The End.
I'll not gonna reply this question anymore because I hate when people start to behave like Nintendo fucking support team. Doesn't work properly and Nintendo doesn't have the power and the infrastructure to make work. Again, watch Digital Foundry Weekly Show and John Linneman will report the same issue. Two Nintendo Switchs, side by side, connected to the internet and you still can't make those virtual game card work.
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RomanceDawn
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Why is there only a single size card available to developers? What about the Switch and 3DS, were there more options for different sized games?
Mister Wolf
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And Square Enix is trying to play hardball with us not offering a Switch 2 upgrade path if you purchase the Switch 1 version. Seems spiteful. They are pissed at Nintendo and taking it out on us.
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You're talking about virtual game cards (digital games) and Nintendo's new way to handle and lend digital games between systems. This has absolutely nothing to do with GKCs...
You're giving me attitude when I'm just asking what your situation is and it turns out your situation has absolutely nothing to do with GKCs. Don't act like an asshole to people trying to help you.
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Physiognomonics
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Lack of sufficient RD / Investment about S2 cartdriges (and key cards for that matter). They thought they could get away with it and that all their customers would be happy with digital.
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Horseganador
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It was clear that the keycard format and empty cartridges weren't going to work and that they would barely sell. Nintendo needs to find a solution to this problem before third-party publishers start questioning whether or not to release the game on the system.
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
The game key cards were a direct response to the complaints of 3rd parties over the rising cost of switch 1 cart prices, right?
I guess the overall issue could be better explained if the headline was: "3rd party publishers are forced to pay for Nintendo's proprietary physical media and the publishing costs only escalate based on size of said proprietary media."
In other words: Nintendo cut them some slack on the cost of physical media.
I guess the overall issue could be better explained if the headline was: "3rd party publishers are forced to pay for Nintendo's proprietary physical media and the publishing costs only escalate based on size of said proprietary media."
In other words: Nintendo cut them some slack on the cost of physical media.
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diffusionx
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I don't think GKC has anything to do with slower-than-expected third party sales. GKC is this convenient scapegoat for smoothbrains but it's totally overblown.
Nintendo is still trying to sell Switch 1 for some reason and telling devs that could make awesome Switch 2 games to stick with Switch 1. Not that games like CP2077 and SF6 aren't awesome but they are years-old games. I think there was more interest for stuff like SW Outlaws and Madden 26 which are newer games. I think you will see third party sales pick up when more devs release Switch 2 games and newer games come out.
Nintendo is still trying to sell Switch 1 for some reason and telling devs that could make awesome Switch 2 games to stick with Switch 1. Not that games like CP2077 and SF6 aren't awesome but they are years-old games. I think there was more interest for stuff like SW Outlaws and Madden 26 which are newer games. I think you will see third party sales pick up when more devs release Switch 2 games and newer games come out.
mayham2199
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Isn't third party game sales almost always an issue on Nintendo systems? I thought this was a common thing for that ecosystem. I know there's a few standouts but I thought overall 3rd party just has a harder time selling over there because so many people use the switch as a secondary device.
diffusionx
Gold Member
no, not at all. Especially with Switch 1 - total myth. Third party game sales are an enormous part of the system's success which is why it has gotten so many.
Zacfoldor
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Because the system is portable and it would use a lot of battery and increase the size if you need to have a br disc spinning in a spindle everywhere you go.
Gambit2483
Member
How did you make it this far in the world?? No, seriously.
Did Nintendo ever advertise game-key cards to work this way? To my knowledge you will ALWAYS have to have the game inserted in the console you want to play on, regardless of internet connections. Maybe you misunderstood how game-key cards would be able to function...
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Dorfdad
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Switch 2 revision in 2 years will have oled and vrr. They have to have something to offer!
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Pretty sure you are talking about virtual game cards, which are a completely different thing.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Isn't a BR drive too big?
Mister Wolf
Member
Docked VRR would legitimately have me considering upgrading, begrudgingly.
Fake
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Pretty much the new game key card policy. Digital games on NS got a rework, remember?
Digital games are now inside the game key card catalogue.
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Magic Carpet
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Nowadays I just ask my kids how to do this stuff. But according to them my save files are stuck on the Switch 1.
I can't just trade in the Switch 1 and buy a Switch 2, I'm gonna have to have both systems in the same room at the same time or some BS. Can't just move my SD card over.
Fbh
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Yup. Seems like the best solution that would keep both publishers and players happy by lowering the price of the cartridge while also providing physical media that actually has the game data on it and doesn't require an internet connection to function.
But of course that wouldn't accomplish what I can only guess was the original reasoning behind they Key card system: pushing people towards digital.
kevboard
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Nowadays I just ask my kids how to do this stuff. But according to them my save files are stuck on the Switch 1.
I'd say get an NSO subscription and upload your saves... but then I remembered that there are some games that don't allow could saves...
and then I remembered why I will never pay for NSO.
such a dogshit service
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kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Here's the real issue:
Devs want Nintendo to offer cards with lower capacities and lower prices, but Nintendo hasn't listened so far.
Steve Holt
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Punished Miku
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Traditionally yes. Switch 1 was freakishly the exact opposite. Indies and many small games had huge success on Switch. 3rd party major publishers much less so, but you still saw some get millions of sales like Doom, Skyrim, etc.
The vast majority of the 3rd party sales were digital only games. Major 3rd parties largely couldn't port their games to Switch 1. Only a tiny handful of 3rd party games were made exclusively for Switch like Ultimate Marvel, Octopath Traveler, or Monster Hunter Rise.
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Gambit2483
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Nowadays I just ask my kids how to do this stuff. But according to them my save files are stuck on the Switch 1.
There are many games that will allow you to transfer over the local save file w/the Entire game file but it can ONLY be associated with that one New console. I know because I had some games that couldn't save to cloud but the save file still transfered over.
Not sure if Nintendo changed this for the Switch 2 but it is possible to transfer you save files without a cloudsave
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kevboard
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yes, but the problem at hand is that he wants to sell the Switch 1 to buy the Switch 2. so transfering would be impossible
Gambit2483
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Oh yea, in that case you would have to sell the Switch 1 after you've purchased and transfered everything over (for games w/o cloudsaves).
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RAIDEN1
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I guess Nintendo couldn't come up with a mini-disc format like Sony did..
RoadHazard
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Nope, you're talking about virtual game cards. Different thing. Game key cards are physical cards that act as a key for playing game, but the game itself isn't on the card, you have to download it.