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[John Harker]

FFCC wasn't a bomb at all.

It's one of the highest selling third party games on the Cube..... ok not saying too much there, but it sold over 1mil worldwide, which is GREAT considering the userbase. It's in the top ten best selling Final Fantasy Games ever. And it caused a huge brief spike of GCs sold in Japan.

 

[nitewulf]

setup looks more like a DQ spin-off.

 

[duckroll]

The setup's pretty similar to FF Crystal Chronicles.

setup looks more like a DQ spin-off.

Ok I would love to know what this "setup" is, since even though I can read the article in Jump it says nothing about what the game will be like. So obviously some posters here have inside info at MSG and knows that this game is about, please enlighten us. :lol

 

[imastalker co.]

The setup's pretty similar to FF Crystal Chronicles.

Game Cube gets a spinoff of FF, everybody's excited, once the game hits, boom, Bomb.

Toriyama brings a "new?" franchise to Xbox 2... everybody's excited... but if the game sucks....

Even if Toriyama is attached to the project, if the game sucks, it won't sell.

where can one go to aquire logic of this kind? at a low price too. seems like it would be worth the investment.

 

[Shouta]

The reason DQ8 looks dated is because they used a played-out form of cel-shading.

No, just no.

 

[PS2 KID]

Although Toriyama's style doesn't lend itself to great 3D type graphics, the Japanese will find it even more attractive if they it's done in cel shading on next gen consoles. They will further push it to the point where you have to ask yourself it is really anime or computer graphics. The look will be much cleaner and smoother. Plus Japan loves the guy so I can see it being a positive thing for Blue Dragon. Those looking for a 3D stylish high budget Final Fantasy blockbuster type of game might be disappointed though. I think the game will sell very well for a Microsoft console. Might give the console the push it needs besides another Tecmo bikini babe fest.

 

[duckroll]

Anyone who says Toriyama's style doesn't lend well to 3D has never played DQ8 and/or is blind. It's really that simple. End of story. There's just no room for discussion regarding that issue.

 

[PS2 KID]

I think they look okay but not WoW!. They would obviously be more attractive once the state of the art in cel shading is raised a few notches with the power of the next generation consoles. Think seamless anime look. Then you'll be saying WoW! That looks just like an anime!!!

 

[Shouta]

Sorry to say, but I don't think there'll ever be a "seamless anime look" unless the anime studios start getting even worse with their production. =P.

 

[PS2 KID]

Those guys do all their anime on computer nowadays anyway. If you gave them (Mistwalker, or whomever else wants to make a cel shaded game) a decent budget and no time constraints like, weekly half hour show, then I would imagine that next gen consoles will rival televised and broadcast satellite anime. Yeah, even those shown over HDTV.

 

[Amir0x]

Anyone who says Toriyama's style doesn't lend well to 3D has never played DQ8 and/or is blind. It's really that simple. End of story. There's just no room for discussion regarding that issue.

Except for the part of the discussion when we talk about how fucking ugly Toriyama's art is.

 

[duckroll]

Except for the part of the discussion when we talk about how fucking ugly Toriyama's art is.

 

[Amir0x]

I know it's some psycho Japanese fascination, what with Dragonball Z and now their golden God Dragon Quest being tainted with the fugly, but duckroll - Toriyama is a fucking horrible artist. Seriously. Seriously.

God, it's so ugly.

 

[Shouta]

Those guys do all their anime on computer nowadays anyway. If you gave them (Mistwalker, or whomever else wants to make a cel shaded game) a decent budget and no time constraints like, weekly half hour show, then I would imagine that next gen consoles will rival televised and broadcast satellite anime. Yeah, even those shown over HDTV.

Doing anime on computer =/= game that looks like an anime.

 

[PS2 KID]

Doing anime on computer =/= game that looks like an anime.

Yeah, I know. I am thinking wishfully. Computer graphics that look just like anime is another Holy Grail. I can still hope though!

 

[Link316]

I know it's some psycho Japanese fascination, what with Dragonball Z and now their golden God Dragon Quest being tainted with the fugly, but duckroll - Toriyama is a fucking horrible artist. Seriously. Seriously.

God, it's so ugly.

its not ugly, its just his style, my only problem with it is that I can't disassociate it from Dragon Ball

 

[Amir0x]

its not ugly, its just his style, my only problem with it is that I can't disassociate it from Dragon Ball

Yes, and his style is ugly. That's the whole point, Link316! It's got that stupid exaggerated folding, his character designs are so vastly similar at times that it might as well be coming from some sort of machine (look at that one kid in Blue Dragon and Great Saiyaman - and when you remove Saiyaman's cape - voila! Oh, and the belt is a little different ). I mean, it's art. Art is subjective, I admit. And I know I'm not going to change the minds of the hordes of DBZ and Toriyama obsessors, but jesus christ if it isn't some of the ugliest shit to become popular outside of Japan.

 

[jarrod]

No, just no.

Correct. DQ8 isn't even cell-shaded actually, like Dark Cloud 2 it just uses simple texturing and stencil outlines to "fake" it.

 

[Prine]

Quite a lot of DBZ haters here. The art rocks.

Now if you look at the guy behind metropolis and atomic boy (is that it??) Now thats terrible art. Fucking shit anime

 

[Amir0x]

Quite a lot of DBZ haters here. The art rocks.

Now if you look at the guy behind metropolis and atomic boy (is that it??) Now thats terrible art. Fucking shit anime

DBZ is the KING of "fucking shit anime." At least Metropolis, despite its rather bad art style, made up for it with substance. DBZ is an anime which has characters "thought monologuing" sometimes for thirty minutes straight before they even decide to throw a god-damned punch. The action is ridiculously overrated, much of it composed of streaks of light, lightning speed punches repeated ad nauseum and SUPER UNLIMITED POWER BLASTS until you're either so bored from the bullshit that you slit your wrists or you just sanely turn the channel and wish the devil's wrath upon its creators.

Anyway, focusing on its art - Toriyama needs to fucking evolve. Badly. Seriously. He has not moved on with the times, and it shows with his recycled character designs and bland, two-tone style.

 

[Crankenstein]

"Xbox 2 needs more japanese support!"

*gets support*

"... that'll make no difference/ it's the _wrong_ type of support / etc..."

Time to face it, the Xbox 360 is going to have much better Japanese dev support this time around. Whether this translates to massive sales is up for debate, but i'd say that the lack of local support was the number ONE reason that Xbox failed here.

The haters just hate without rationale.

 

[Crankenstein]

Except for the part of the discussion when we talk about how fucking ugly Toriyama's art is.

True it isn't pretty, but it has character and "Mojo". Now if Itagaki and Toriyama could collaborate...

 

[Amir0x]

True it isn't pretty, but it has character and "Mojo". Now if Itagaki and Toriyama could collaborate...

Heh.

Frankly, I putting more emphasis on this discussion that I care to, because Toriyama's art is not going to affect my love or hate of this game in the long run.

I'm just consistently surprised that anyone is attracted to his art, but I've been in this debate like eight times

 

[drohne]

i've always liked toriyama's art, though perhaps this is because i associate it with dragon warrior and chrono trigger and tobal. i've never seen a full episode of dragon ball. it kills me that message board types bash toriyama while advocating nomura or that magna carta guy or that vile legend of mana style. but then i find the whole idea of an "anime elitist" oxymoronic.

 

[Amir0x]

i've always liked toriyama's art, though perhaps this is because i associate it with dragon warrior and chrono trigger and tobal.

I like Tobal #2 and Chrono Trigger, although i've never been a fan of the DW games I admit. But the reasons I like and dislike these games has nothing to do with Toriyama's art, and the reason I dislike DBZ has a whole heck of a lot to do with Toriyama's art... so I'm able to more easily extract the reasons for my hate in this case.

i've never seen a full episode of dragon ball.

May God bless your life until the end of your days, so that you may never have to suffer it.

it kills me that message board types bash toriyama while advocating nomura or that magna carta guy or that vile legend of mana style. but then i find the whole idea of an "anime elitist" oxymoronic.

I'm not actually an "anime elitist" or even an art elitist, as I don't like much anime at all and am probably not qualified to discuss the merits of a lot of them since they simply fail to appeal to me on a lot of levels. I certainly don't dismiss anime, though, and I love plenty of Japanese artists because as a artist myself I'm fascinated by the detail some of them put into their work regardless of the movie attached to it. I can't even say the same thing for Toriyama's awful work

Although, I must say I'm not a fan of Nomura either. I do, however, like the Magna Carta art. I think Magna Carta has some really great work going for it, although again it's not my favorite or anything.

 

[Jonnyram]

Amir0x, you need to chill mate. This thread has about 20 posts of you saying how shit you think Toriyama is. You might not like him, but he's still popular, and that's what's going to help Blue Dragon in the end. Dragonball and DQ both have millions of fans, and his style is unique enough for people to know that this is by Toriyama without looking at the small print. It might not be to your taste, but having a style so obvious is quite a strong point of his works.

 

[chaostrophy]

Now if you look at the guy behind metropolis and atomic boy (is that it??) Now thats terrible art. Fucking shit anime

Osamu Tezuka a bad artist???? You're kidding, I hope.

 

[borghe]

and the reason I dislike DBZ has a whole heck of a lot to do with Toriyama's art... so I'm able to more easily extract the reasons for my hate in this case.

virtually none of the reasons you ranted about with DBZ had to do with the art.. so stop lying. it is one thing to hate DBZ... it is another thing to claim you hate someone's art as a whole just because you hate one series of theirs. Toriyama's art in DQ, CT, Tobal, and Sandland are somewhere between just fine to really outstanding at times. Heck, he even has shining moments in Dragonball (lesser moments in Dragonball Z).

It really sounds like you are projecting your hatred of one series onto the artist as a whole doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

 

[Kobun Heat]

Osamu Tezuka a bad artist???? You're kidding, I hope.

sigh

 

[Porridge]

virtually none of the reasons you ranted about with DBZ had to do with the art.. so stop lying. it is one thing to hate DBZ... it is another thing to claim you hate someone's art as a whole just because you hate one series of theirs. Toriyama's art in DQ, CT, Tobal, and Sandland are somewhere between just fine to really outstanding at times. Heck, he even has shining moments in Dragonball (lesser moments in Dragonball Z).

It really sounds like you are projecting your hatred of one series onto the artist as a whole doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

IAWTP

 

[Amir0x]

virtually none of the reasons you ranted about with DBZ had to do with the art.. so stop lying. it is one thing to hate DBZ... it is another thing to claim you hate someone's art as a whole just because you hate one series of theirs. Toriyama's art in DQ, CT, Tobal, and Sandland are somewhere between just fine to really outstanding at times. Heck, he even has shining moments in Dragonball (lesser moments in Dragonball Z).

It really sounds like you are projecting your hatred of one series onto the artist as a whole doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

His art/animation has an incredible amount of part of what is displayed in things like DBZ, so stop being a stupid fuck.

Amir0x, you need to chill mate. This thread has about 20 posts of you saying how shit you think Toriyama is. You might not like him, but he's still popular, and that's what's going to help Blue Dragon in the end.

Right, and I already acknowledge that fifty times. Hell, I even said his art in the end will have virtually no effect on how I enjoy the final product, so that it's pretty pointless to debate about it in any meaningful fashion in relation to this game.

 

[Mermandala]

Hey Amir0x, do you like Toriyama's art? If not, does it impact your enjoyment of a game like, say, Chrono Trigger? Also, are you Mojo Jojo? Meaning are you that green-skinned monkey with a white cape? Mojo Jojo. Is that you, the one I am typing at? You, who will read this.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

I just hope it is good, for all the bitchin in this thread about it, lol

 

[borghe]

His art/animation has an incredible amount of part of what is displayed in things like DBZ, so stop being a stupid fuck.

wrong. he doesn't do the animation "stupid fuck".

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0868066/

he doesn't even do the art direction or layouts or anything. he did the story, in manga form (and with the later cell stuff the story original for the series). show me anywhere on that page or the credits which say he had anything to do with the art in the TV show beyond the character and vehicle design being based on his manga. And if you were to read the manga, you would see that it has a slightly different dynamic style-wise to the TV show.

not to mention ALL of your criticisms had virtually NOTHING to do with art.

DBZ is an anime which has characters "thought monologuing" sometimes for thirty minutes straight before they even decide to throw a god-damned punch. The action is ridiculously overrated, much of it composed of streaks of light, lightning speed punches repeated ad nauseum and SUPER UNLIMITED POWER BLASTS until you're either so bored from the bullshit that you slit your wrists or you just sanely turn the channel and wish the devil's wrath upon its creators.

oh wait.. streaks of light, which he didn't pretty much at all use in a black and white manga...

sorry "stupid fuck", but you just opened up that you have no clue what you are talking about. thanks. now had you bitched about tha manga I might have given you a little credit, but crediting him with any of the art or animation in the TV series just shows you know nothing. it's fine to not like DBZ, but you pretty much just proved that that is the SOLE basis for not liking his art. You don't mention any of the numerous games he's been apart of or any of his other manga he's done.. so you hate DBZ which he didn't even animate or direct.. good job.