According to MSNBC, these events occurred almost simultaneously: One Russian passenger plane (reportedly carrying from 35-80 people) has crashed in Russia. And another passenger plane, which took off from the same airport, within minutes of the other plane's demise, has gone missing.
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BREAKING: Russian plane crashes; another missing
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Idle Will Kill
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deadhorse32
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The second one has crashed
deadhorse32
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Could this be related to http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...693&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968705899037 ?
Dont think Georgia wants to pick a fight with Russia over South Ossetia, what they want is to make it so they can go in there and kick ass without russia getting involved.
Unfortunately russia has a lot of enemies in its former states so i wouldnt be supprised if this was an act of terrorism.
Unfortunately russia has a lot of enemies in its former states so i wouldnt be supprised if this was an act of terrorism.
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The second plane crashing is incorrect. One of the wires said it and then the news agencies picked it up but a spokesperson from the "Emergency something or other" from Russia corrected the story and stated that it is still missing.
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Malakhov said:
It's probably not Al Queda, but rather the muslim extremists that Russia has been fighting in Chechnya.
I'm enthralled by dated incidents:
9/11 terrorist attacks: Tuesday, September 11th, 2001--third week in September on a calendar
Bali Bombings: (Saturday, October 12th, 2002--exactly one year, one month, and one day after the 9/11 attacks)
Today: Tuesday, August 24th, 2004--fourth week in August on a calendar. In relation to Sept. 11th, today is exactly one month BEHIND and one week UP from the 2001 incident...on the same day: Tuesday.
(I'm just thinking outloud, so don't take what I said about today for truth)
9/11 terrorist attacks: Tuesday, September 11th, 2001--third week in September on a calendar
Bali Bombings: (Saturday, October 12th, 2002--exactly one year, one month, and one day after the 9/11 attacks)
Today: Tuesday, August 24th, 2004--fourth week in August on a calendar. In relation to Sept. 11th, today is exactly one month BEHIND and one week UP from the 2001 incident...on the same day: Tuesday.
(I'm just thinking outloud, so don't take what I said about today for truth)
Idle Will Kill
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cnn.com now says that one of the planes sent a "hijack" alert before crashing. And they are still saying both planes have crashed incase anyone is wondering.
damn......... those rebels are some slick asses... this all with the RNC coming to NYC next week.... I hope the presidential election doesnt go crazy in Russia after this, because with what happened in spain, terrorist will think that they can shift politics with carnage
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HAOHMARU said:
check post down there. From what I can gather, it seems like the US government did not criticize Russia enough for the alleged atrocities going on. Post 9/11, the US seemed to just shut up any criticism of the wrongdoings in Chechnya.
In regards to Russia voting for the war in Iraq:eggplant said:
"Russian president Vladimir Putin, whose relations with Bush are reported to be particularly soulful, was awarded 'a diplomatic nod for Russia's crackdown on Chechen separatists - a move that some analysts here and in the Middle East contend could damage long-term US interests'."
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Socreges said:
Eh I was referring back in 1999 when they invaded Chechnya for a second time. Sorry, but it's a long time since I've seen news on Chechnya.
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"Tony Blair maintains that intervention in one place where people are tortured and oppressed doesn't mean we can or should intervene everywhere. But Chechnya is a shameful example of western leaders refusing to confront another government on human rights abuses and war crimes because, in the end, strategic and political issues matter more. Chechnya is complex and dangerous and miserable, and we just don't care enough to try to make a difference."
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cach.../Chechnya.asp+chechnya+1999+us+response&hl=en
"Equally worrying is the lack of a strong Western response to the abuses in Chechnya. Instead of using its relationship with Russia to bring an end to the abuses in Chechnya, the Clinton administration has focused on cementing its relationship with Acting President Putin, the prime architect of the abusive campaign in Chechnya. Secretary of State Madeline Albright traveled to Moscow while bombs were raining down on Grozny, and chose to focus her remarks on Acting President Putin's qualities as the new leader of Russia, rather than on the brutal war in Chechnya. U.S. officials continue to understate the level of atrocities in Chechnya, talking about "abuses" in the war rather than calling those abuses by their proper name, war crimes. The administration is understating the amount of influence and power it has over Moscow, because the administration wants to continue with business as usual, and mend its ties with Moscow in the wake of the NATO bombing campaign in the former Yugoslavia. To date, the international community has given the Russian government no reason to fear any repercussions for its actions in Chechnya.
The United States and its Western allies could be doing a lot more to stop the brutal abuses in Chechnya. Starting tomorrow at the trilateral EU-US-Russia meeting in Lisbon, they must call the abuses in Chechnya by their proper name, war crimes, and must insist that there will be no "business as usual" with Russia while these violations continue. The West must insist on accountability for the crimes committed in Chechnya, and an end to the rapidly growing climate of impunity rapidly developing in Chechnya. An immediate international monitoring presence should be established to document war crimes and other abuses in Chechnya, and to provide the international community with accurate and reliable information about abuses in the Chechen conflict. "
Unfortunately, it seems like they didn't make enough noise over what happened in Chechnya.
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cach...2.htm+chechnya+1999+"american+response"&hl=en
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cach.../Chechnya.asp+chechnya+1999+us+response&hl=en
"Equally worrying is the lack of a strong Western response to the abuses in Chechnya. Instead of using its relationship with Russia to bring an end to the abuses in Chechnya, the Clinton administration has focused on cementing its relationship with Acting President Putin, the prime architect of the abusive campaign in Chechnya. Secretary of State Madeline Albright traveled to Moscow while bombs were raining down on Grozny, and chose to focus her remarks on Acting President Putin's qualities as the new leader of Russia, rather than on the brutal war in Chechnya. U.S. officials continue to understate the level of atrocities in Chechnya, talking about "abuses" in the war rather than calling those abuses by their proper name, war crimes. The administration is understating the amount of influence and power it has over Moscow, because the administration wants to continue with business as usual, and mend its ties with Moscow in the wake of the NATO bombing campaign in the former Yugoslavia. To date, the international community has given the Russian government no reason to fear any repercussions for its actions in Chechnya.
The United States and its Western allies could be doing a lot more to stop the brutal abuses in Chechnya. Starting tomorrow at the trilateral EU-US-Russia meeting in Lisbon, they must call the abuses in Chechnya by their proper name, war crimes, and must insist that there will be no "business as usual" with Russia while these violations continue. The West must insist on accountability for the crimes committed in Chechnya, and an end to the rapidly growing climate of impunity rapidly developing in Chechnya. An immediate international monitoring presence should be established to document war crimes and other abuses in Chechnya, and to provide the international community with accurate and reliable information about abuses in the Chechen conflict. "
Unfortunately, it seems like they didn't make enough noise over what happened in Chechnya.
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cach...2.htm+chechnya+1999+"american+response"&hl=en
AssMan said:
I really don't think anyone was suggesting that either plane was going to be aimed at America. Any plane hijacked in Russia or Europe, flying within Russia/Europe isn't likely to be used against America. Far more likely they'd target a European city or Moscow.
Now, if it was a transatlantic flight, that's a different story. But I don't think this one was..?
Hitman said:
Typical comment for something that flies over somebody's head.
Had you elaborated, you wouldn't have come off as so simple-minded.
Leon said:The fact that I still didn't get this after reading it three times probably means that it's nothing to be excited about at all. And no, it doesn't mean I'm a dumbass
I'm saying that the date of 8/24/2004 is in the fourth week of August (on a calendar) 9/11/2001 is in the third week of September (on a calendar). Both dates also fall on a Tuesday.
I'm saying that a) August is the month BEFORE September...so, it's simply one month BEHIND [September]; and b) that 8/24/2004 falls within the fourth week of the month, and that 9/11/2001 falls withn the third week of the month...so, it's simply one week UP, or ahead of [September 11th, 2001]: The fourth week of August 2004 (the 24th) is one week UP from the third week of September 2001 (the 11th). Week #4 is one week from week #3.
So, like I said, "In relation to Sept. 11th, today is exactly one month BEHIND and one week UP from the 2001 incident...on the same day: Tuesday."
LakeEarth said:
9/11/2001 occurred exactly 912 days before the 6/11 Madrid train bombings, which means that there were exactly 911 days between the two incidents, both perpetrated by al-Qaeda.
Oh yeah..."Bali Bombings: (Saturday, October 12th, 2002--exactly one year, one month, and one day after the 9/11 attacks).
Guess who did it?
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And the planes only stayed in the air for 911 seconds - oh no
If it was Al Qaeda or Chechen rebels we'll find out soon enough, however it is dangerous to jump to that conclusion by default and that's something that we're doing all too often. Gas prices going down - pipeline explosion ... must be those Terrorists! While of course they are likely to score some hits, we musn't let terrorism be the primary response to every event in the world because that drives us to make the evidence we have fit the conclusion we've already come to... and that's dangerous and could lead to things like the Iraq invasion.
The evidence will sort it out... we just have to wait and see where it leads us and not lead it where we think it should go.
If it was Al Qaeda or Chechen rebels we'll find out soon enough, however it is dangerous to jump to that conclusion by default and that's something that we're doing all too often. Gas prices going down - pipeline explosion ... must be those Terrorists! While of course they are likely to score some hits, we musn't let terrorism be the primary response to every event in the world because that drives us to make the evidence we have fit the conclusion we've already come to... and that's dangerous and could lead to things like the Iraq invasion.
The evidence will sort it out... we just have to wait and see where it leads us and not lead it where we think it should go.
UltimateMarioMan
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Al Qaeda would never mess with Russia. Their might not be a Middle East the day after...
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Pimpwerx said:
Two reasons for that...
1) those planes crashed in relatively remote locales
2) the information bureau (kinda like the former kgb) is controlling the information flow so not much informtation is getting out of the country - much of the reported information is coming from anonymous sources and that information is 'suspect' in news sources that try to validate what they're hearing. We aren't likely to hear too much until the Russian government decided to make a statement.
Just the way things work in that part of the world...
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