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[E92 M3]

I just can't wrap my head around why Israel gets a free pass on shit, especially from the us. Fuck Israel. It's so frustrating to watch.

Fuck Israel? So you judge all the people in the country based on this particular incident? I find it funny how so many here lash out against Israel instead of the people that did the deed. It seems that it's "ok" to attack the Jewish people and I am surprised it's not moderated.

Every country has bad people doing horrible things, but it seems that this thread turned in to attacking relations between Israel and US/Israel as whole. Israel has a lot of GOOD people living there and it's a very pleasant country overall.

 

[IncandescentPrecept]

Fuck Israel? So you judge all the people in the country based on this particular incident? I find it funny how so many here lash out against Israel instead of the people that did the deed. It seems that it's "ok" to attack the Jewish people and I am surprised it's not moderated.

Every country has bad people doing horrible things, but it seems that this thread turned in to attacking relations between Israel and US/Israel as whole. Israel has a lot of GOOD people living there and it's a very pleasant country overall.

I think he's attacking the whole of Israel, not just Jewish people.

 

[Fari]

Fuck Israel? So you judge all the people in the country based on this particular incident? I find it funny how so many here lash out against Israel instead of the people that did the deed. It seems that it's "ok" to attack the Jewish people and I am surprised it's not moderated.

Every country has bad people doing horrible things, but it seems that this thread turned in to attacking relations between Israel and US/Israel as whole. Israel has a lot of GOOD people living there and it's a very pleasant country overall.

You assume that people who say "fuck North Korea" are racist towards all Koreans?

 

[E92 M3]

I think he's attacking the whole of Israel, not just Jewish people.

Israel is predominantly Jewish and still doesn't make sense to attack whole country based on this incident. For one, I think it's good US has strong ties with Israel.

You assume that people who say "fuck North Korea" are racist towards all Koreans?

Never talked about racism, and it depends on the context it is said in. North Korea has issues on a National level with human rights.

The people that beat the kid were absolutely wrong and should be punished, but we can't attack a whole country for it.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Btw, even if you think/assume the kid was throwing rocks or whatever before hand, I don't understand how you can defend this video. The kid did not move on his own at all throughout that, he was handcuffed and complacent, yet the solders kept beating on him. It was quite gross. That last kick to the face while they carried him was especially nasty. The kid was probably unconscious at that point.

 

[jimi_dini]

Oh and this:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21630560&postcount=3140

"... will never leave Israel for this is home. Call me whatever you want, a fanatic nut etc etc, but we are growing up on the belief that God has promised this land to us"

The humans, who invented religion, shouldn't have invented it.

Let's just assume that "god" is real. Let's assume that people will talk to god after death. God: "What the fuck, you injured people in my name? You even killed people in my name? Why? Are you all mental? I should have never created humans in the first place. I'm so ashamed."

Fuck Israel? So you judge all the people in the country based on this particular incident?

So when people say "Fuck US", they actually mean "Fuck every single American"? Nope. It's rather short for "Fuck US government"/the people in power. Which makes sense. The former would never be used in that former case because it doesn't make sense.

Or maybe that Nuland cunt actually meant "fuck every single European", idk.

 

[CesspoolofHatred]

Fuck Israel? So you judge all the people in the country based on this particular incident? I find it funny how so many here lash out against Israel instead of the people that did the deed. It seems that it's "ok" to attack the Jewish people and I am surprised it's not moderated.

Every country has bad people doing horrible things, but it seems that this thread turned in to attacking relations between Israel and US/Israel as whole. Israel has a lot of GOOD people living there and it's a very pleasant country overall.

For stuff like this it's probably necessary to have a degree of separation between the Israeli government and the Jewish community as a whole, just like separating the Pope from the whole of Christianity (he only really speaks for one sect anyways).

I don't think anybody in their right mind is attacking the entirety of the Jewish people for these things. They're attacking the people in charge of running Israel, and the people who are enforcing the laws there, because they are doing things like this, and also forcing nonviolent Palestinians out of their homes that they've lived in for generations by claiming their land as the government's, and stating that the trees are "illegally planted on state land". In that sense, you can't necessarily say that this is an "isolated incident". It's a symptom of prejudice between Israel and Palestine.

In other words, we are attacking the actions of the government, and not necessarily attributing them to the entirety of the Jewish people. Are there bigots who are using Israel's actions to latch onto the chance to do the latter? Yeah, there are. It's kind of difficult to avoid that when Israel is labeled and presents itself as a Jewish state.

But I believe that dismissing all of the criticisms of the Israeli government - or of any government, really - as "attacking its people" is a huge mistake, because using that rhetoric distracts from the chance for further debate and allows shit like this to go on.

You're right in a general sense that we have to attack "bad people doing horrible things". But not just the people who stick out as symptoms. We have to attack the prejudice as well, and get people to unlearn it.

 

[Partial Gamification]

Btw, even if you think/assume the kid was throwing rocks or whatever before hand, I don't understand how you can defend this video. The kid did not move on his own at all throughout that, he was handcuffed and complacent, yet the solders kept beating on him. It was quite gross. That last kick to the face while they carried him was especially nasty. The kid was probably unconscious at that point.

I don't think anyone is defending the actions of the soldiers here, overtly anyway. Seems like its more along the lines of, essentially, "wrong place wrong time, shit happens."

[...]Tariq's family says he was severely beaten by Israeli police during protests in Jerusalem last week. The incident is under investigation.

When the news of Sunday's arrests broke Sunday afternoon, Israelis took to social media to express shock and disgust that a fellow Jew could commit such a heinous crime.

Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Avalon posted a statement on Facebook condemning Mohammed's murder.

"This is not our way, and the criminals who performed this heinous act brought disgrace upon the Jewish people and the state of Israel," Avalon said. "They must be brought to justice and prosecuted to the full extent of the law, as an example to others. Israel and the Jewish people's strength is based on the Jewish morals and values."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/07/hamas-militants-killed/12279535/

The article is about the recent ten airstrikes against Hamas. There are tunnels that don't help the situation and the rocket manufacturing is inviting destruction. Still, the craters left behind are disturbing. Everyone impacted was a terrorist? How do these measures prevent the spread of hostile sentiments toward the Israelis? The vicious cycle is real and the individual events can be ignored when parties are fixated on enemies, real or fabricated. This seems to happen weekly, at least including the Palestinian hostilities. Its enough to forge a very harsh perspective on the situation. Blaming others and not accepting any responsibility is built into the whole us-versus-them mentality. If it was true for all involved, that place would have been put to ruin decades ago.

 

[Zvonimir Boban]

I'm not going to defend what happened, it's absolutely horrible, but there's no reason to attack an entire country over the actions of a few terrible people.

Tell that to Israel.

Oh wait, Palestine isn't a country so that makes slow, torturous ethnic cleansing completely A-OK.

 

[ShadowkillXNA]

I am actually fucking shocked that this is on CNN's front page. Did hell freeze over or something?

On the foxnews website on the other hand, I couldnt find a single mention of the story on their front page.

 

[Chariot]

On the foxnews website on the other hand, I couldnt find a single mention of the story on their front page.

When I looked there yesterday because someone claimed that the story will be nowhere in the news I saw a news about in on foxnews

 

[Jackpot]

I'd love to know that as well

Guess we got our answer, even if he was too pussy to answer it himself.