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Bungie ends development on Destiny 2
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Hollywood Hitman
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Nydius
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What made me give up on Destiny 2, ultimately, was Bungie's greed. As much as I was annoyed with content vaulting, it was when they started trying to extract every dollar out of their players when I finally checked out. The Bungie Anniversary stuff should have been completely free, not a $25 "premium" add on. Then paywalling dungeons behind deluxe edition expansions or season passes, or selling them separately as a premium.
Hell, I just took at peek at the current state of D2 pricing. As someone who quit after Beyond Light, if I wanted to come back and have an as-close-to-feature-complete game as possible, I'd have to shell out $150 for:
Even then I still wouldn't have access to the dungeons from the last three expansions included in The Legacy Collection and would have to buy the keys separately.
Bungie's greed is what killed Destiny, nothing else.
Hell, I just took at peek at the current state of D2 pricing. As someone who quit after Beyond Light, if I wanted to come back and have an as-close-to-feature-complete game as possible, I'd have to shell out $150 for:
- Destiny 2: The Legacy Collection (2025) [$70]
- Destiny 2: Year of Prophecy [$80]
Even then I still wouldn't have access to the dungeons from the last three expansions included in The Legacy Collection and would have to buy the keys separately.
Bungie's greed is what killed Destiny, nothing else.
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LordCBH
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Brother I would spend $60 on that no cap. Add in cross play to it and I'd likely buy it on both my PS5 and my PC.
sainraja
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So bungie should have just kept putting out Destiny even if they wanted to work on a new IP? Obviously focus is going to shift if that is something they wanted to do. I don't like it either so I don't really disagree.
Where could they have taken the game by putting a #3 at the end of it though? just a shiny new coat of paint with more strikes, more raids, more dungeons and new loot. This is basically the formula they were following.
Destiny 2 was that new game once. People wanted gear they had in Destiny 1 brought over. Bungie responded by doing just that. What makes you think Destiny 3 wouldn't face the same thing? Seasonal weapons ended up being mostly reskins of weapons from before. How many different shapes of all the different weapons could they keep putting out for D3 that would have made a difference? It didn't for D2.
How much could they really change about the series though? Expectations have already been set, the formula has been mostly set. Any time bungie has deviated from that, they have faced criticism, which they prob shouldn't have listened to.
sainraja
Member
You're forgetting how entitled gamers are. They'd complain about that too lol.
Hollywood Hitman
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Bro all the things you're asking is not my job to figure out. Gaming is up to devs to take us into worlds and places beyond our wildest imaginations. Every game is built on a loop that people enjoy, I mean if we're gonna get technical how does multiple forza games keep going when it's just tracks, cars, a big world to explore etc.. It's no different, destiny 3 is a new beginning.
As I said sure they can make new games but you still prioritize your flagship game, destiny printed money when its being supported.
The only reason destiny fell off is because the support shifted, if it was still strong it would still be going strong and I wouldn't have dipped out.
I go back to the point of any sequel, why do any sequel if it's just more of the same? Every game as I said has a loop that people love, we have 4 borderlands in the main game... They all offer different experiences while still being the same loop people love.
Yea destiny is a big part strikes and maps for pvp, raids, guns etc... It's the developers jobs to make destiny 3 a fun new experience. But that core loop is fun and lasts years, people never tire chasing good thought out quests and loot.
I been in these type of debates before and I'll never understand the "what more could they have done" argument, that makes absolutely not a lick of sense to me, just saying.
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Avid Reading Horse
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No need to be dramatic, it's poop cheap regularly on sale. You could have gotten those collections for like 20 bucks last month. But if you were properly 'keeping up', yes it was about a $80-$100/yr game. Everything including the dungeon keys will be bundled in the complete collection that launches along with the final update. And all the piecemeal collections are getting permanently marked down.
panda-zebra
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Some self-reflection; no lies detected.
One of the most annoying things in recent years with D2 was that the numbers were there - new players in decent numbers... but what Bungies served up in terms of introducing them to the game and keeping them playing was obviously seriously lacking, because they couldn't retain them for shit. Terrible self-harm that management never gave enough resources and attention to because it ws obviously just a whole lot easier to squeeze harder on those dumb enough to stick around spending (and I played with enough of that type to know exactly how easy rinsing their wallets was).
LordCBH
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D2's new player onboarding after they removed old content was legitimately one of the worst experiences I have ever seen in my life. Red War (base game) and the two year 1 expansions gave people a lengthy, focused questline that gated new players into experiencing and learning as they went. It was a pretty solid new player experience.
They took that away and replaced it with…like three missions that don't explain or teach a thing, and then throw you into the rest of the game with borderline zero indication of what you SHOULD do and just gives new players a massive, confusing checklist.
I knew as soon as red war got replaced with the current onboarding experience (which was worse when it was fresh, mind you. They've put bandaids on it since then that didn't really work) that they didn't give a toss if new people actually started playing, because they'd have prioritized a much better onboarding if they did.
Complistic
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Very confusing since they've got like 12 people playing their new game.
yurinka
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Destiny 2 has been Bungie's most successful game ever, and the top grossing game (since launch, not talking about current montly revenue) Sony ever owned.
But as I said for years, obviously games don't last forever and Destiny 2 was already old when acquired, so as part of any GaaS life cycle it was starting sunset when they acquired Bungie.
It made a lot of money even after the Sony acquisition even if it didn't reach their expectations, and it lasted more than originally planned (and what I thought), which was to end it with the Final Shape.
It's stupid, nonsensical and moronic to act as if games make money forever and that Destiny 2 didn't have a longer post-launch support than most live service games. Destiny 2 will release its last update (not counting minor updates to solve some minor bug or do server maintenance etc) almost 9 years after its release, which is longer than usual even if obviously there are a few games that lasted for longer.
Like any other AAA studio, after stopping to work in a project they'll move most/all their staff who was still working in this game to newer projects, and may fire some people they won't need during some months or years if can't relocate them elsewhere.
asdasdasdbb
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The problem is of course that Marathon isn't doing so great... and if they are not doing Destiny 3, what's the point of keeping Bungie around?
Nydius
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Fuck out of here with this Bungie apologism. $80-$100 a year for a game that regularly used recycled content, did the bare minimum, and didn't update PVP meaningfully for almost five years.
Bury your head in the sand all you want, when Bungie began jacking the the price and trying to take every dollar from their players while delivering a barebones product is when the game began to tank.
That isn't being dramatic, it's telling the truth. And it's why Destiny 3 in any form is fucked. Bungie pissed away all their good will chasing maximum profit.
duhmetree
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I can't see why Sony wouldn't develop a '3rd iteration' of Destiny.. Bungie might not be the team developing it, maybe they create a new studio or have a joint venture.... but Destiny is a money printer. It still has a mass amount of potential. An IP that has brought in consistent revenue for 10-12 years, estimated $2-4B revenue for D2 alone. $4-6B over the whole Destiny franchise... I just can't see Sony foregoing another 10 year $3B+ game... it's literally the reason they paid so much for Bungie.
They really need to drop last gen and modernize the engine once again. That takes time and effort. They are hemorrhaging money right now. D2 was stale and had no direction. They completed a 12 year story- light and dark. IMO To move forward they have to build a cohesive world built around a new foundational story. That also takes time to flesh out. Bungie isn't know for great management and timeliness.
We'll see what Sony does but they seem to have taken the reigns and are trying to make chicken soup out of chicken shit.
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Arsic
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Hollywood Hitman
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Haha I actually did! But I know it'll do nothing, petitions never hardly work ever... Id have to imagine that even if it did it'd need a million or more but no clue. Yea for shits and giggles I signed it thoYou boys logging in and signing the petition?
sainraja
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Yeah, games do get sequels. However, there are just as many games that don't get sequels. That's just how it is. I wouldn't mind a Destiny 3 but I feel like it would only delay things to a later point, which might be okay, and even the sequel cycle can go on for only so long. Bungie didn't need to do much to satisfy my needs with the game, however, when they were putting out new content, people just wanted to complain about every little thing (or that is how it felt). After the honeymoon phase of D3 would be over, I think we'd be back at the point where people would start asking for things from D2 that they miss.
Regardless, now people have started to criticize the leadership of bungie. Destiny 3 wouldn't have changed that, so I dunno.
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Hollywood Hitman
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Well those people are imo not the truest of fans and people complain about everything online so I mean those folks are easily dismissed. I had thousands of hours of Destiny and it was unlike any other game, it fed into every dopamine hit that I seek in gaming and when it was good it was amazing, but even not so good destiny was still good... The game landed on so many good aspects.Yeah, games do get sequels. However, there are just as many games that don't get sequels. That's just how it is. I wouldn't mind a Destiny 3 but I feel like it would only delay things to a later point, which might be okay, but even the sequel cycle can go on for only so long. Bungie didn't need to do much to satisfy my needs with the game, but when they were putting out new content, people just wanted to complain about every little thing (or that is how it felt). After the honeymoon phase of D3 would be over, I think we'd be back at the point where people would start asking for things from D2 that they miss.
D3 could've and should've been made around 2020. D1 kicked off in 14 and what 17 was d2, they should've at least started d3 in 2020 and it'd be out now. The game deserved more and way better imo, it was printing money and its one of the best IPs ever to me.
But it's all hindsight, I think they're in trouble tho... Marathon definitely isn't it
clarky
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It really didn't. The decline start way before Arc Raiders was a thing.
simpatico
Gold Member
I've always wanted smaller scopes in the story department for games like Halo and Destiny. Every game doesn't have to have the entire universe at stake. Just give me a 30 hour game with a nice compelling, yet average mission in the Chief's history. It doesn't need to be existential. Just a rough and bloody mission with an especially tough group of pirates or something. I think this would feel refreshing in a lot of genres. It doesn't have to be a regular boring day, but I think a middle ground would take some creative pressure off the devs too. When every game story is "THIS IS THE CULMINATION OF EVERYTHING EVER" my eyes glaze over and it loses all meaning.
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Avid Reading Horse
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Sure, goodwill has been pissed away. I'd say more by things like the DCV and sunsetting than angry brokies though. You're a Destiny PVP-carer? Lol.
And yeah it's dramatic, you could have also hopped in at the end of the year on any expansions for like 15 cents on the dollar.
You failed to address my actual point, that you can catch up for way less than $150. So you could have just gone with "oh wow I didn't know that, thank you good horse!" But, I think you probably already did know that seeing as you're in the weeds on dungeon keys and whatnot.
clarky
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If you are still into Destiny seems like a pretty decent update. I think there will be plenty of returning players. Should keep the lights on at Bungo for a while.
Look on the bright side no more sunsetting at least.
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Yoda
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Studio is prob doomed at this point. Marathon's concurrent player numbers at launch didn't justify it's development costs, I believe the last ragebait video I saw about it claimed it's lower the Destiny 2 (the game going KTLO mode)? So even a rosy scenario of getting everyone back who paid for it wouldn't be enough and that's not likely to happen anytime soon if at all. There's no way Sony will commit to investing in another giant live-service game given their recent history (concord, marathon, Last of us online, etc...). Good chance this is the end of Bungie, studio won't be shutdown for a bit, but for all intents and purposes it's already in its final state WRT the development ambitions; that being they'll most likely never develop AAAA games (maybe that's a good thing?).
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Darchaos
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Im actually not sure i will play lol, so many games to play.....And that is a wonderful problem! But, a decent update it is and it is nice to feel that Destiny itching again, havent really played since Final Shape.
clarky
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If they get it right it should a have a fairly decent base for a good while i think
But yeah ill not be playing. I did try and get back into it a while ago but I just can't anymore, 10 years was enough for me.